#DFG: Canceling the Noise
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Peak Oil Can Boyd said:
Still not showing his work, so his 90 degree estimate is specious since we don't know what PSI he's working from.
Edit: by which I mean, is he relying on the reports of a 2 PSI drop? Because Sumner has already demonstrated that a 1.0-1.5 PSI drop is possible when dropping from 70 degrees.
LuckyBen said:
His new result still isn't factoring in potential inaccuracy in gauge(s), observer error in reading same, and loss of air in measurement process. On top of that is the "excitation" from ball prep that BB discussed on Saturday.
Have you learned nothing from the media this week? If you want it to be true, just act like it is, and refuse to process any information that comes out to the contrary.
and there is no conceivable prep process (I'm thinking of mechanical buffing) that couldn't raise the air temperature from 75 degrees to 90?kartvelo said:
SumnerH's calculations don't require it.Bone Chips said:
Edit: Besides, it doesn't matter. We all know the refs never measured the balls pre-game, so despite the fact that the science is on the Pats' side, it's irrelevant.
Harry Hooper said:
I'm more interested in whether the guy was on the sidelines at all. That would strongly indicate to me it was a sting. If it was the first ever sting operation run by a league against one of its teams in the major sports...ever (?), it's hard not to believe the people in charge have a strong bias here. I don't think he'd fuck with them on the sidelines either, but I'm not sure I would trust any part of his involvement in the process. If, for example, the Colts balls actually didn't measure below 12.5, I'd like to know how that didn't happen unless they were either overinflated to begin with or someone fudged the numbers. They should have dropped below, given the conditions.
You can change your handle on Twitter, odds are he was once PatriotsSB47/48.TomRicardo said:
I've heard whispers that Kensil was manipulating the footballs during the game.TomRicardo said:
https://twitter.com/PatriotsSB49/status/560193573917061120Ed Hillel said:
link to tweet
Imagine if the Pats have tape of this and are just letting the NFL do its thing.
Thornton just reported the exact same thing on EEI... "I have it on good authority"
If we learned anything in the last 8 days is if it was tweeted it must be true though...rodderick said:
Just holding it between your legs as you're rubbing the balls could get you near that realm, conceivably. Body heat + buffing.Bone Chips said:
Perhaps the Patriots are starting to fight fire with fire by "leaking" silly and unprovable rumors to select members of the "media"?
Or more likely, a group of so-called media is conspiring to see how widespread an outrageous rumor that implicates something other than "the Patriots DID IT!" can get.
Or more likely, a group of so-called media is conspiring to see how widespread an outrageous rumor that implicates something other than "the Patriots DID IT!" can get.
If it was a "sting," I'm inclined to think it was a "sting" run by someone like Kensil operating on his own, under the aegis of "league official." He knows Brady like low-range footballs, he knows the refs never check, maybe he even remember HS science, and he hates BB. So he decides to fuck with him and Brady by challenging the balls' inflation. As I've said before, it's just like asking the ump to check the glove/cap/uniform of a pitcher who's kicking your ass in hopes of throwing him off his game. When the refs just inflated the balls and didn't even mention anything to the Pats, the "stinger" must have been furious and got the word out through a different channel to try and discredit the Pats - never dreaming how successful he'd be.
Then he continued, as "an unnamed league official," to spew false or misleading leaks all week long, loving every moment of it.
Edit: That is, not a formal sting run or sanctioned by the NFL. Which puts the league in a very difficult position and could account for the way they've behaved this week. At this point I'm thinking (hoping?) I might enjoy the eventual findings.
Then he continued, as "an unnamed league official," to spew false or misleading leaks all week long, loving every moment of it.
Edit: That is, not a formal sting run or sanctioned by the NFL. Which puts the league in a very difficult position and could account for the way they've behaved this week. At this point I'm thinking (hoping?) I might enjoy the eventual findings.
The sidelines are all videotaped constantly by multiple feeds, both network and in-house security. If true, it's easy to correlate.
PedroKsBambino said:
Funny, but don't worry, the lighthouse observation deck has a roof on it.
The Will Leitch piece was beautifully written, but the conclusion is specious.dcmissle said:
The NFL has already been paid for Super Bowl 49 by NBC in it's rights deal to carry regular season and playoff games. Just as the NFL is already paid for the next several Super Bowls by CBS, FOX and NBC as well. The TV networks control all of the ad inventory in the pre-game, game, and post-game. The league does not see a dime of that revenue, nor would they see any incremental moneyt from the ratings for any Super Bowl being higher due to increased interest.
Basically Leitch is concluding that the NFL is not just allowing, but encouraging, this circus to continue for some non-quantifiable, indirect financial benefit.
Sometimes the explanation is simple... the NFL is poorly run when it comes to anything aside from TV rights negotiations, marketing, or product licensing. The NFL has excellent business operations, but terrible "game operations", so to speak.
kartvelo said:
Don't you see? He wasn't deflating Pats' balls, he was inflating Colts' balls so they were able to "magically" defy the laws of physics.
If this is true...Bone Chips said:
/tinfoil hat
Clearly, following the tampering charges filed against the Jets by the Patriots, owner Woody Johnson was upset. So he contacted former Jets official, who is now a VP in the NFL league office, and Colts' owner Jim Irsay, in order to discuss running a sting operation against the Patriots.
The reason that the Wells investigation is taking so long is not that he is investigating the Patriots, but the Colts and Jets.
In several weeks, he will reveal the sting operation performed by the Colts and the Jets, and the Patriots will be awarded their respective first round picks as compensation.
/tinfoil hat
I fucking wish.
And yet under the same circumstances, the Pats managed to do it... to 12 balls. Can he prove he didn't do it? I think he should be suspended and removed from AZ for the duration of the SB.kartvelo said:
Different Utes, obviously.Seonachan said:
I've seen the 'utes' I question here spelled a few ways.
I just picked one.
I think the opposite. If he's not on the video, then he will have a hard time proving that he didn't do it, because if you can't see what he's doing, he obviously was doing something bad.PedroKsBambino said:
Nah. He'd mishear Bello and Bradley as Belichick and Brady. So he'd just tweet about a new source confirming they lied.
I met Eric Grubman years ago. He was/is basically the COO of the league, and he has a pretty impressive business background (partner at Goldman, sr position at constellation energy). He was clear that he has no say - at least at that time - in football ops, which he also seemed to acknowledge is the real juice.8slim said:
I wonder if Kensil, Irsay, etc. will be as forthcoming with providing cell phone, email records to the Wells investigation as the Patriots have done.
finnVT said:
Eh, theoretically, sure. But as I posted yesterday, Super Bowl ratings have been unfathomably consistent for 40 years. And Super Bowl rights are locked in for the next 8 years. Seems odd to be trying to move the rating marginally in 2015 in advance of rights that expire in 2023.
twibnotes said:
Correct.
Like many here, I'm intimately familiar with the media industry and the NFL. This isn't some concerted effort to boost interest and sell soda pop.
Shocking as it may be on both individual's case, but Manish Mehta interviews Kurt Warner and Warner says DeflateGate raises his suspicions even more about the Patriots cheating to win the SB vs. his Rams.
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/kurt-warner-suspicious-patriots-deflategate-article-1.2094128
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/kurt-warner-suspicious-patriots-deflategate-article-1.2094128
DennyDoyle'sBoil said:
Fair enough - since several people [I quoted just this one for brevity] thought it would help, I let him know about the gauge/air pressure difference and I suspect he'll write something in the near future. On a completely unrelated note, SoSH seems to have all sorts of messy problems on my mobile phone at the moment.
If Kensil was the NFL Ops guy who the Colts called mid-game because the intercepted ball felt low, isn't reasonable that he'd head over to the Colts sideline and inspect the ball before launching the investigation?
I mean, I get that the Patriots haven't been afforded the benefit of the doubt at any turn throughout this whole manufactured scandal, but still, this Kensil news is likely just him doing due dilligence. I can't see him tampering with footballs in front of 80,000 people.
I mean, I get that the Patriots haven't been afforded the benefit of the doubt at any turn throughout this whole manufactured scandal, but still, this Kensil news is likely just him doing due dilligence. I can't see him tampering with footballs in front of 80,000 people.
Right, but the more people who watch the Super Bowl the more people the NFL can capture, which will increase regular season ratings, as well as ticket and merchandise sales.8slim said:
