#DFG: Canceling the Noise
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I just played around with a football, a pump, and a pressure guage for a little bit. What I found was that once you got to a certain point, further inflation seemed to make a very negligible difference, to me at least. Between 10 and 17, I could barely tell. Very slight differences maybe, but not really that easy for me to tell too much. Once it dropped under 8 or so, though, i could tell that it started to feel a lttle softer and each pond or so after that made anoticeable difference. I don't have any faith my guage is perfect, and I was not using a regulation ball I don't think.
But what I noticed was that gradations are not linear in terms of "feel," at least to my untrained hands. The difference between 7 and 8 was more obvious than the difference between 12 and 16. And there is sort of a critical mass when you blow it up. It feels soft for a while, then around 8 or 9 it feels good, and then after that you'd have to be pretty sensitive to feel a difference in half pounds.
Here's the other thing I learned. The air that comes out of a deflated football freaking reeks. Way worse than a tire.
But what I noticed was that gradations are not linear in terms of "feel," at least to my untrained hands. The difference between 7 and 8 was more obvious than the difference between 12 and 16. And there is sort of a critical mass when you blow it up. It feels soft for a while, then around 8 or 9 it feels good, and then after that you'd have to be pretty sensitive to feel a difference in half pounds.
Here's the other thing I learned. The air that comes out of a deflated football freaking reeks. Way worse than a tire.
What if everyone in this thread was smoking crack? Would I be assuming the risk by reading it?
From (http://espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/2014/story/_/id/12201369/aaron-rodgers-green-bay-packers-upset-referees-take-air-footballs):
"GREEN BAY, Wis. -- Aaron Rodgers says NFL referees take air out of footballs to be used in games, and he doesn't think it should happen."
Ok. So Rodgers admits to CBS that he tries to get the balls as overinflated as he can without being caught. Simms and Nantz talk about this like it's no big deal at all. Rodgers then comes out and says it's not right for refs to deflate the balls.
Why would the refs deflate the balls? They wouldn't if the balls were already within legal specs. They *would*, I guess, if they were *above* legal specs.
And why would Rodgers be upset by that? Because he likes his footballs to be overinflated, above the legal spec.
So what appears to be standard operating procedure in a game where the balls don't meet legal specs? The refs throw them aside and have them redone to be within specs. They don't go crying to the NFL league and say, "Rodgers and the Packers are trying to cheat!!!!" They simply make sure the balls conform to the rules if they find one that doesn't.
What happened in the Pats-Colts game? They found a ball that didn't conform to the rules, so the refs tossed it aside and brought into play one that does.
Simple. Situation resolved. Pats go on to score 28 unanswered points.
No call of "cheating" or whatever. Oh, but it's Bill Belicheat and so obviously he must be trying to get away with something underhanded….
Good freaking grief….
"GREEN BAY, Wis. -- Aaron Rodgers says NFL referees take air out of footballs to be used in games, and he doesn't think it should happen."
Ok. So Rodgers admits to CBS that he tries to get the balls as overinflated as he can without being caught. Simms and Nantz talk about this like it's no big deal at all. Rodgers then comes out and says it's not right for refs to deflate the balls.
Why would the refs deflate the balls? They wouldn't if the balls were already within legal specs. They *would*, I guess, if they were *above* legal specs.
And why would Rodgers be upset by that? Because he likes his footballs to be overinflated, above the legal spec.
So what appears to be standard operating procedure in a game where the balls don't meet legal specs? The refs throw them aside and have them redone to be within specs. They don't go crying to the NFL league and say, "Rodgers and the Packers are trying to cheat!!!!" They simply make sure the balls conform to the rules if they find one that doesn't.
What happened in the Pats-Colts game? They found a ball that didn't conform to the rules, so the refs tossed it aside and brought into play one that does.
Simple. Situation resolved. Pats go on to score 28 unanswered points.
No call of "cheating" or whatever. Oh, but it's Bill Belicheat and so obviously he must be trying to get away with something underhanded….
Good freaking grief….
I heard Florio on the Ross Tucker podcast and he said something that I have never heard before. He said that when the league brought in Belichick for Spygate, he showed up with a pile of cheating evidence against other teams and that was the reason the NFL burned the spygate tapes. I consider Florio a hack but found this interesting.
ivanvamp said:
I think the difference is that the Patriots are being accused of altering the ball AFTER the refs checked it and made sure it complied with the rules. Rodgers does it BEFORE this procedure. The rule specifically says that a team cannot alter the ball AFTER the refs check it.
riboflav said:
The ref took the ball in the game and tossed it out because it felt under inflated. He followed the same procedure. And it's the same principle, in either case. Rodgers and the Packers were trying to get away with balls that were inflated outside the proper specs to gain an advantage, hoping to slip it past the refs. How is one cheating but not the other?
Pretty sure that's how Belichick DOES party.Jed Zeppelin said:
For the record, I fucking LOVE the idea of Belichick showing up with a small library of evidence that coaches throughout the game had been doing what he was doing.
As my father said to me this am, funny how these cheating allegations only seem to show up while the team is winning.
ivanvamp said:
To clarify, I meant the pre-game procedure that occurs two hours and 15 minutes before kickoff. I agree with you in that in principle both (if true) would be cheating. But, I can see a semantics argument whereby what Rodgers is doing is not a clear and direct violation of the rule as written.
riboflav said:
I get that. But they are both trying to use improperly inflated footballs. The Patriots' simply have an allegation against them. Rodgers *ADMITS* it.
But not a freaking peep about the Packers, but with the Patriots it's another "scandal".
How epic would a party between Belichick and Ray Holt be? Recorder music on the stereo, old Navy game film on the TV. Just two guys getting wild.Jed Zeppelin said:
I think this is a really important point when you think about it. The NFL is designed for teams to go up and down, and the patriots (bc they have the best coach and QB ) are completely fucking that up. Look how many coaches and qbs in the afc east have come and gone during the bb/brady era. It's not just a case of sour grapes. Belichick, brady and the patriots are making people look bad professionally. Dummies like woody Johnson are saying, "how come those assholes always win and my team can't do shit!?" Other coaches and front offices are ecstatic when they can identify another reason for the pats success besides the simplest answer, which is that brady and bb are historically good at their jobs.Van Everyman said:
I'm afraid there was an environmental factor that may have disrupted the scientific method in this experiment. Specifically, my young lab assistant, seeing there was a football involved, would interrupt the trials by clapping his hands loudly and saying, "right here, dad," causing me to propel the primary piece of the experiment through the air in his direction, after which he would spontaneously utter such things as, ""Jules" or "Gronk!," depending on the manner in which he caught said piece of the experiment. I fear this led to some distraction in the recording of data, and thus we should see whether my results are replicatable.There is no Rev said:
Though, I am ready to submit to peer review my conclusion of a perfect correlation between a child of a certain age catching a football with one hand and his nearly simultaneous utterance of some derivation of "Odell" or "ODB".
To be fair he didn't say he was reporting this or had heard it from informed sources or anything, he just said this was speculation in some league circles.ShaneTrot said:
He can't be ODB. Just like Ladanian can't be LT, there can be only one. ODB! Dirt mcgurt, big baby Jesus, RIP
I especially enjoy Rogers point of view. There shouldn't be a maximum inflation there's no advantage to it. Then to say I hate when the refs let out air it's a disadvantage for me. That's Pete King logic for the love of God.
I especially enjoy Rogers point of view. There shouldn't be a maximum inflation there's no advantage to it. Then to say I hate when the refs let out air it's a disadvantage for me. That's Pete King logic for the love of God.
Shelterdog said:
So no real evidence? Just some hearsay? Sounds like a piece for Michael Rosenberg.
https://twitter.com/mortreport/status/557748673208401921
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" NFL has found that 11 of the Patriots footballs used in Sunday’s AFC title game were under-inflated by 2 lbs each, per league sources."
link to tweet
" NFL has found that 11 of the Patriots footballs used in Sunday’s AFC title game were under-inflated by 2 lbs each, per league sources."
La Confora now saying Ravens think numerous kicking balls were under inflated the week before. So this story is here to stay.
So... thatCorsi said:
So ...here is your stupid story line going into the Super Bowl ...they would have won by 40 if the balls were stuffed with leaves....and they found it necessary to under inflate them...
After the Patriots lose their draft pick and the NFL changes the rules on who gets to handle their balls, I'd like to see a study on how offensive performance in poor weather is affected leaguewide. Would probably be too noisy to catch anything.
So what you are saying is that they should have caught them "cheating" before the game... rather than after the game?JimD said:
JimD said:
It's somewhat poor Twitter reporting. Two pounds of air pressure is not the same as two pounds (otherwise the football would weigh negative one pound).
This is awesome stuff. Could you please videotape yourself experimenting with throwing a gyroball and get back to us with the results?DennyDoyle'sBoil said:
