riboflav said:
The article has been changed since first posted. It initially said that he used a pressure gauge, now, no longer.
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The article has been changed since first posted. It initially said that he used a pressure gauge, now, no longer.
Shelterdog said:
Got it. He probably assumed it was a pressure gauge just like I did when I first read the quote quickly. Interesting word choice by Blandino. I wonder if he was trying to sneak it by folks. Had he used "assessed" or "measured" there may have been tough follow-up questions to answer.
Just unbelievable that the NFL has not answered the most basic question: how the fuck the balls were checked.
JFC you'd think the reffing crew were "uncooperative" prisoners at Guantanamo.
JFC you'd think the reffing crew were "uncooperative" prisoners at Guantanamo.
The NFL should have been able to clear this up in 24 hours. What a terrible organization, with a bumbling leadership. The Keystone Cops.
Papelbon's Poutine said:
I like this. the same way you can change cleats before (or during) a game depending on field conditions, or the way you can change uniform stuff depending on temperature. Why not let QB's / Receivers alter the football to their preferred state? As it stands now (theoretically) a football inflated in the locker room in Green Bay could lose a shitload of pressure during the December games...or one in Miami gains pressure going from the AC to outside in September. Plus...
no one gives a shit about this stuff, and they never have.
E5 Yaz said:
He won't do anything worthwhile. I think he's at the point where he knows he is gone and he's just hiding and trying to collect one more gigantic paycheck. Nothing else makes sense. He's checked out.
Before these press conferences, I expected him to stonewall on the basis that it's an "ongoing investigation." But his VP of Officiating just answered questions about critical facts. He's going to look like even more of an ass if he deflects.E5 Yaz said:
Yeah. this is a slightly more aggressive version of "inspected." They never checked the fucking balls before the game.riboflav said:
Well, not really. If the balls sit on the sidelines for 90 minutes (or whatever approriate time) after being given up by the teams, any effects that the teams might have done -- heating, cooling, buffing, microwaving, etc) would have reached equilibrium with the environment that the game is being played in. It's a rare game where the temperature 30 minutes before the game changes that drastically before halftime. And even if it did, all balls -- both teams' -- would change equally, from the same neutral state.kartvelo said:
But I do agree with Papelbon's Poutine, that the simplest thing is to make the PSI immaterial.
So does Patriot tampering come down to whether the ball-boy took a dump or a leak in the bathroom?
If we are led to believe the NFL is going to rely on a lower level of evidence, and there is no log of measurements pre-game or during the 1st half, is that lower thresh-hold now, "because we said so?
If we are led to believe the NFL is going to rely on a lower level of evidence, and there is no log of measurements pre-game or during the 1st half, is that lower thresh-hold now, "because we said so?
bankshot1 said:
Only slightly better than that. They can say the science doesn't hold water and, barring any other explanation, the Patriots are at fault.
The NFL has milked this for all they want to at this stage; they want it to disappear
I don't disagree that there's a 99.5% chance that Goodell failed miserably in his duties. Regardless of what the outcome is, a large part of his job is prevent the kind of nonsense that went down this week. At best, Goodell is guilty of an utter inability to see the forest through the trees, with his blind determination to get to the root of an ultimately inconsequential problem in an attempt to "protect the game" actually causing far more damage than the initial issue itself. Goodell may well view what occurred in Foxboro as being a legitimate threat to the game, and he may consider his refusal to opine publicly on the matter as the prudent approach while he collects all the facts, while in reality it's essentially a complete abdication of his basic job duties. For all the accusations of ego and pettiness, in this case Goodell may simply be guilty of nothing more than exercising terrible judgment. Like really, really awful judgment. Which is enough to show him the door, especially when coupled with his other high profile failures. The benefit to him of his lack of public statements is that he hasn't actually said anything that he can't go back on.
He could dismiss this thing tomorrow with the comment that the league announced a review, during which he didn't feel it was prudent to speak, and now that it's been thoroughly investigated, he's confident that nothing occurred. Dismissing rumor and speculation, Goodell actually hasn't actively done anything wrong here, as opposed to in the Rice situation, which also dealt with a far more serious issue. If he can survive that, he can survive this.
That said, the bar is a little higher that "not doing anything to actively hang yourself out to dry." He's the commissioner, not some AVP who still learning the ropes. Good judgment would seem to be a key job requirement, and he has none. I think this sets the wheels in motion for his ouster/exit, but I don't think it will necessarily happen soon.
The only science we have is Walt's word that the Pats balls were 12.5 psi during his pre-game "gauging" As there is no measurement log,there is no hard evidence other than the ref word that the balls were light, but not the degree of lightness. . So unless Walt says the lowest measurement was 11.8 psi (or some psi that makes sense according to the weather), we're at "because we say so" threshold of evidence.
http://nesn.com/2015/01/dean-blandino-deflategate-wasnt-a-sting-psi-in-footballs-werent-logged/
Sounds like he is defending his own with vague words about "proper" testing and "protocol." Here is all that means
http://static.nfl.com/static/content/public/image/rulebook/pdfs/5_2013_Ball.pdf
The wrinkle we haven't seen is a lateral/backwards pass to an inelligible receiver. That is perfectly legal and wouldn't shock me during the Super Bowl.simplyeric said:
Reiss confirmed on twitter that Blandino used the word "gauged" in the post press conference session but didn't say Anderson used a pressure gauge. It looks like he corrected his story as a result.
Maddening. But the dimwit mediots aren't helping either. Volin could have easily rephrased his question in the PC to ask specifically if pressure gauges we used before the game and at halftime. Instead he asked if they were inspected correctly. Just piss poor media coverage on this from start to finish.BoneForYourJar said:
Why would it be hard for the NFL to just come out and admit.. the rule was written in the 30's and needs to be tweaked to maintain integrity of the psi standard? Its ok that technology / science has progressed since then. The "bad guy" here is the rule as currently written is impossible to keep consistently to standard as the teams can't legally adjust the ball after the initial check.
Everything can't be fixed with a hammer, a cross and a few nails as it seems is NFL policy now..
Everything can't be fixed with a hammer, a cross and a few nails as it seems is NFL policy now..
How hard is it for the "media" to ask the very simple questions - like, "did he 'gauge' the pressure using a pressure gauge, or through just feeling the ball" - that would explain so very much of this? Wasn't this a Q&A event where they could ask such things?Shelterdog said:
So no follow up? No clarification if the "gauged" comment applied to the pregame balls or the ones at halftime? These media guys are as useless as tits on a bull.Shelterdog said:
norm from cheers said:
As was noted above by many, you have a Commissioner who's a reactionary putz, lacks good judgment, and is a vengeful twit to boot.
Shelterdog said:
Using that specific verb multiple times when so many synonyms are more common? Definitely intentional. I wish someone in the media would as a direct question.
This is from the Reiss piece
Edit: My actual post got eaten. TL;DR if actual, visible league officials are starting to realize the laughably unimportant difference between 14 and 10 psi, I have to believe common sense will start to re-assert itself and the HQ conversation will change from "how do we get them" to "how do we extract from this".
This was also buried in Reiss' chat today:
From one guy who knows what it's like to be the smallest player on every sports field you step on, to another, that's some poignant shit.
Edit: My actual post got eaten. TL;DR if actual, visible league officials are starting to realize the laughably unimportant difference between 14 and 10 psi, I have to believe common sense will start to re-assert itself and the HQ conversation will change from "how do we get them" to "how do we extract from this".
This was also buried in Reiss' chat today:
From one guy who knows what it's like to be the smallest player on every sports field you step on, to another, that's some poignant shit.
It's a bit more than that. If he's lying about the Pats balls being at or close enough to 12.5 that would also mean he was lying about the balls being 1-2 psi at halftime. If they actually started at say 11 psi the pressure would still have dropped around 1.5 by going into the elements. So think about it this way. Flat-Earth Patriot Haters have only a few options to choose guilt:bankshot1 said:
A referee conspiracy that completely covered for NE
God was pulling for NE by temporarily suspending the laws of physics
Am I missing any others? My tin foil hat doesn't fit anymore so I may have missed something.
Edit: 1-2 psi lighter
I love the low standard of proof bullshit. How is there going to be punishment with a low standard of proof if you just admitted the NFL has no proof??E5 Yaz said:
Next year the NFL is going to suspend Josh Gordon for using drugs because he's a drug addict even though he passed his drug tests.
Joe Montana thinks Brady ordered the Code Red
“I mean, it’s easy to figure out who did it,” Montana said. “Did Tom do it? No, but Tom likes the balls that way, obviously, or you wouldn’t have 11 of them that way without him complaining, because as a quarterback, you know how you like the ball. If it doesn’t feel like that, something is wrong. It’s a stupid thing to even be talking about because they shouldn’t have the rule anyway. If you want to see the game played at the best, everybody has a different grip, everybody likes a different feel.”
“I mean, it’s easy to figure out who did it,” Montana said. “Did Tom do it? No, but Tom likes the balls that way, obviously, or you wouldn’t have 11 of them that way without him complaining, because as a quarterback, you know how you like the ball. If it doesn’t feel like that, something is wrong. It’s a stupid thing to even be talking about because they shouldn’t have the rule anyway. If you want to see the game played at the best, everybody has a different grip, everybody likes a different feel.”
It is true though that you have to have some minimum PSI standard, even if it is not specific and subject to the impression of the squeeze-the-charmin test by the ref. If you literally had no minimum there would be nothing to stop a team from getting a lead and playing with balls at 0.0 PSI while they run the ball and have 0 chance of a turnover because the backs are gripping it like a t-shirt.