#DFG: Canceling the Noise
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D&C have been a horrendous listen ever since this started. It's like their brains practice some form of anti-logic normally only found in some parallel universe. They have been SLOWLY coming around lately, but I try to avoid them.Steve Dillard said:
Edit: Their interview with Doyel out of IND takes the cake though. Comparing to 1919 Black Sox because both are "rigging games". Receivers using stickum is not rigging the game because receivers only get so many touches. Deflating the ball 1-2 psi is rigging the game because it affects every play.
Or they handed them to him at 12.5, the Colts at 13.5 and the Colts balls were at like 12.2 at half and he didn't care.Steve Dillard said:
Or the Colts footballs had been sitting in colder air before being "gauged" pregame (Colts bus?).
So many possibilities, but critical thinking is hard. The bigger question should be why the Colts footballs didn't fall below 12.5, given that we know room temp to game temp should have accounted for a 1.2 difference and the legal range is 1.
Not sure what you mean. Russo is critical of the Pats, so he thinks he knows what happened.Ed Hillel said:
Ed Hillel said:
Easiest solution that no talking head is saying - there was a complaint about the Pats balls right? Those were then checked first and the Colts balls were checked after that, which would allow them enough time to bounce back somewhat and potentially back in the 12.5-13.5 range.
geoffm33 said:The 2 star review:
Steven might want to tackle spelling before he moves on to "fizz-zicks"
On this topic, i greatly look forward to any books BB makes in retirement, especially if he ever details how he prepared for teams each week.
There will obviously be more scrutiny on the footballs this week. So I wonder if that hurts Seattle more than New England. Wilson probably has smaller hands than Brady (I mean, that's what I've heard), so it might be more difficult for him to grip. Am I reaching here?
My theory as well, as laid out in the hawks gate comments. Wanted it published there because I know someone sent that study to the lawyers. If they do their due diligence properly, that scenario should unquestionably be on their list of hypotheses to be tested.lithos2003 said:
Did Zolak just say he thinks Kraft will get his apology from Goodell today?
No way in hell that happens. Zero chance.
No way in hell that happens. Zero chance.
djbayko said:
I see what you are saying. Maybe I've inserted too many moving parts.
I do think that the refs could do the inspection in a tent on the sideline (one of those pop-up four post things that you see everywhere). The rain and wind (and sun) are variables that can be excluded, but temp seems iffy. If you just set everything at X psi in a ~70d room, they'd be playing with a noticeably different ball in a September game in AZ or TX or FL, compared to a December game in Buffalo. If a tighter ball is generally "more accurate" than a slightly deflated one, you're effectively giving a structural advantage to warm-weather teams (if you believe that, and a non-frivolous case could be made that it's real). Then again, maybe that balances out (cold weather teams would be more used to the softer ball, even if it theroetically is a less accurate missile).
So, have the inflation done at/near game temperature, and eliminate all the other moving parts
Just codify that after the balls are tested/inflated "at game temperature", any other fluctuation is understood as part of the game. (I mean, it's still football...the refs are suposed to be taking the time to check the balls anyway, and the refs can go outside for a while, and a simple fabric tent would shelter them from wind and rain, while providing pretty close to "game temp" conditions)
mwonow said:
Right - they could experiment with Edelman as ineligible. Would be interesting to see how Seattle handles.
NortheasternPJ said:
Someone at Goodell's pc has to go full Joseph Welch (Army-McCarthy hearings) on the the commissioner.
Commissioner, may we not drop this? We know the balls deflated naturally. Let us not assassinate this team further, Commissioner,. You’ve done enough. Have you no sense of decency, sir? At long last, have you left no sense of decency?
Yeah but the offense might have some guy lie down in the end zone because his jersey matches the paint.nighthob said:
Sure it's stupid, but desperate people do stupid things sometimes.
I don't think its The Most Important Thing, with a modicum of effort they could remove like 90% of the question.
Ed Hillel said:
Talk about a 180, man, he's an idiot.
Rich was going off on him this morning for calling them morons and gloating that his sources were right. It was amusing.
Isn't the rule of thumb in basketball that you hold the ball above you head with an outstretched arm? It ought to, then, bounce up to your elbow.?J.McG said:
At the end of the day, this whole episode:
- Exposed (or confirmed) several national and local mediots as extreme opportunists, soap boxers and abject fools;
- Arguably gave the Patriots an "us versus them" rallying point when it would have otherwise been more difficult to manufacture one;
- Gave Kraft and BB the chance to support the cause in a vocal and even stirring way;
- Probably brought the team even closer together;
- Exposed Goodell once again as a truly horrible and inept leader;
- Will likely not result in the Pats being penalized in any meaningful way; and
- Provided a distraction, and often a humorous one, for Pats fans from the ordinary stress that accompanies a two-week SB wait.
Would I have asked for this knowing what I know now? No. Do I like that Tom Brady does seem to be bothered by it, at least to some extent? No.
But all in all, there are some positives or quasi positives here. That the Pats are probably more galvanized and angry doesn't suck.
- Exposed (or confirmed) several national and local mediots as extreme opportunists, soap boxers and abject fools;
- Arguably gave the Patriots an "us versus them" rallying point when it would have otherwise been more difficult to manufacture one;
- Gave Kraft and BB the chance to support the cause in a vocal and even stirring way;
- Probably brought the team even closer together;
- Exposed Goodell once again as a truly horrible and inept leader;
- Will likely not result in the Pats being penalized in any meaningful way; and
- Provided a distraction, and often a humorous one, for Pats fans from the ordinary stress that accompanies a two-week SB wait.
Would I have asked for this knowing what I know now? No. Do I like that Tom Brady does seem to be bothered by it, at least to some extent? No.
But all in all, there are some positives or quasi positives here. That the Pats are probably more galvanized and angry doesn't suck.
The point is that deflated balls are a competitive disadvantage in the modern (passing-centric) NFL. And balls that deflated aren't going to travel by air at all. Would it theoretically allow RBs to fumble less? Maybe. But since you would be running every play maybe not. Put another way, the simple fact is that every team would submit the balls the way they like them, and if teams willingly choose to eliminate their own passing game, why would an opposing coach complain?simplyeric said:
Demonstrated that SumnerH understands the Ideal Gas Law better than many physics professors.TheoShmeo said:
Demonstrated that reading SoSH for the last 11 days instead of spending any real time reading/watching/listening to any bona fide media outlet was a smart choice.
Also, as I understand it, the pre-game ball routine for the Super Bowl is much more controlled than it is for other games. Much less margin for monkey business.Red(s)HawksFan said:
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From Gregg Doyel's Twitter
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https://twitter.com/greggdoyelstar/status/561215106386649088
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@GreggDoyelStar: (Part 1/2) Patriots official just told me the team has received more than 100 independent studies of deflation from colleges, high schools..
"@GreggDoyelStar: (Part 2/2) Each study showed PSI will drop 2 lbs in 15 minutes in cold, he said. Most recent study Thursday from aerospace engineer at UCLA.
[https://twitter.com/greggdoyelstar/status/561214690852757504/URL%5D
https://twitter.com/greggdoyelstar/status/561214690852757504/URL]
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[URL="https://twitter.com/greggdoyelstar/status/561215106386649088"]
https://twitter.com/greggdoyelstar/status/561215106386649088
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@GreggDoyelStar: (Part 1/2) Patriots official just told me the team has received more than 100 independent studies of deflation from colleges, high schools..
"@GreggDoyelStar: (Part 2/2) Each study showed PSI will drop 2 lbs in 15 minutes in cold, he said. Most recent study Thursday from aerospace engineer at UCLA.
ivanvamp said:
I still think they should fire Belichick because their reputation is tarnished, whether or not anything really happened, Mike!!!
He follow that up with a re-tweet about the tired old line about the Colts balls not being under.
Gregg Doyel @GreggDoyelStar · 18m 18 minutes ago
Million-dollar question. NFL has to tell us about this. RT @afanacct: @GreggDoyelStar then why no drop for Colts footballs?
Who gives a shit about the Colts balls? Stop trying to use the Colts balls as some sort of control group, it makes science facepalm.
Gregg Doyel @GreggDoyelStar · 18m 18 minutes ago
Million-dollar question. NFL has to tell us about this. RT @afanacct: @GreggDoyelStar then why no drop for Colts footballs?
Who gives a shit about the Colts balls? Stop trying to use the Colts balls as some sort of control group, it makes science facepalm.
100 studies, big deal.
100% of people thought the world was flat in the 1400s before Columbus discovered the New World.
Whatever.
100% of people thought the world was flat in the 1400s before Columbus discovered the New World.
Whatever.
If/when the Pats are fully exonerated, Kraft should announce that he's making a large contribution to the National Science Foundation or other worthy scientific organization. Really come out smelling like a rose.
https://twitter.com/greggdoyelstar/status/561214690852757504/URL]Hoya81 said:
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@GreggDoyelStar: (Part 1/2) Patriots official just told me the team has received more than 100 independent studies of deflation from colleges, high schools..
"@GreggDoyelStar: (Part 2/2) Each study showed PSI will drop 2 lbs in 15 minutes in cold, he said. Most recent study Thursday from aerospace engineer at UCLA.
That Pats official had a ton of fun making that call. "Hey Doyel, just wanted you to know that YOU'RE A FUCKING MORON BECAUSE SCIENCE. Very truly yours, a source to be identified as "Patriots official".