#NoBrady#NoBanner now split into a new thread. So that we can keep the integrity up on this one.
#DFG: Canceling the Noise
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Kenny F'ing Powers said:
Kraft should have known better than to continue supporting Roger after what happened in 2007. Never mind going to bat for him in the aftermath of the Ray Rice thing. Roger played Kraft for a fool several times now.
My predictions:
Brady: suspended 8 games
Team: loses 2016 1st round pick and fined $250,000
Banner raising starts as scheduled before Massachusetts State Police arrest Roger Goodell for violating state labor laws by attempting to force Tom Brady to give up his private cell phone without a court order. Goodell is then tried, convicted and sentenced to death by hanging, which is carried out after the Geico ad right before the 2nd half kick off.
Brady: suspended 8 games
Team: loses 2016 1st round pick and fined $250,000
Banner raising starts as scheduled before Massachusetts State Police arrest Roger Goodell for violating state labor laws by attempting to force Tom Brady to give up his private cell phone without a court order. Goodell is then tried, convicted and sentenced to death by hanging, which is carried out after the Geico ad right before the 2nd half kick off.
djbayko said:
Gotcha. Yes every law firm would love to have Brady as a client but no you're completely right, they're not going to indemnify him for anything on his phone that ever gets out into the universe.
Curious how you think the league announces the punishment (if any); whether it will come in the form of a news release on a Friday afternoon, or in the form of a circus press conference where Goodell waxes poetic on the integrity of the game blahblahblah and then announces punishments. Given how this has gone so far, I'm really thinking he goes the circus press conference route.
I don't think he goes the press confrence route. The wells report is too weak and if the reporters wanted to they could destroy the small amount of credibility that Goodell has to give out punishment based upon it.PseuFighter said:
Is announcing it on Friday his most cowardly option? I ask because he is going to go with the most cowardly option.PseuFighter said:
RG will take the easy way out, press release. Of course he is available every day to the media so he should be able to answer any questions they may have.
Comfortably Lomb said:
I think on a Friday afternoon to let it die out over the weekend; yeah, that's the most cowardly route.
Even more cowardly would be doing it on a Friday afternoon heading into a long weekend (e.g. Memorial Day).
Was this thought with respect to an actual punishment ruling, or an update on possible arbitration? Thanks.lambeau said:
I think you will see me in an elevator with Louie CK and a bag of dicks before seeing Brady sit out a game for this.
Then again I put full faith in what Sharks of Vegas tweeted so what the hell do I know.
Then again I put full faith in what Sharks of Vegas tweeted so what the hell do I know.
The longer the league takes on this next step, the more likely the media continues to change its tune to support Brady. I sort of think it's already happening.
JBJ_HOF said:
(1) Appeal with NFLPA and get key NFL supporting docs out in public
(2) Delay banner raising until Brady is reinstated
(3) Establish Jimmy G as a legit asset
(4) Lay waste to the league when Brady returns
My first post - hello.
Brady - 4 games which is 4 games too much as there's no evidence against him.
Patriots - 3rd round pick for some degress of non participation in the investigation.
If either is higher I will blow a gasket. As it is I'm probably done buying NFL stuff other than Sunday Ticket and 3 games to Glory 5 next March. I'll buy a $10 hoodie at Wal Mart instead of a $75 hoodie and the Patriots Pro Shop.
Brady - 4 games which is 4 games too much as there's no evidence against him.
Patriots - 3rd round pick for some degress of non participation in the investigation.
If either is higher I will blow a gasket. As it is I'm probably done buying NFL stuff other than Sunday Ticket and 3 games to Glory 5 next March. I'll buy a $10 hoodie at Wal Mart instead of a $75 hoodie and the Patriots Pro Shop.
RG and his cronies would probably pull some bush league shit like delay the proceedings until Sept 28th.
Arbiter clears TB, but we are screwed regardless.
"yea sorry....TB was innocent....and should have been able to play....RG and the NFLs bad"
Arbiter clears TB, but we are screwed regardless.
"yea sorry....TB was innocent....and should have been able to play....RG and the NFLs bad"
We have collectively sucked at predicting the outcome of this crime against integrity. The reality is that once you set aside issues of fairness and the butthurt that comes with seeing a fan favorite embarrassed, its pretty clear what will happen here.
The punishment will be decided and then an appeal heard. Then the final decision will be rendered. That is it. Those hoping for lawyers to get involved or that Brady will somehow be vindicated are going to be very disappointed. At some point, this story needs to go away more for Brady and the Patriots than the NFL. Fighting what amounts to a losing battle in the court of public opinion is not going to be good for anyone in New England.
The punishment will be decided and then an appeal heard. Then the final decision will be rendered. That is it. Those hoping for lawyers to get involved or that Brady will somehow be vindicated are going to be very disappointed. At some point, this story needs to go away more for Brady and the Patriots than the NFL. Fighting what amounts to a losing battle in the court of public opinion is not going to be good for anyone in New England.
DrewDawg said:
Y'know, that might be the NFL's play, like for that very reason.
I mean, it's the weasle-iest most disingenuous cop out, but it's basically what they did with Rice, yeah? Take a bullshit stand that has no possibility of being allowed and then let someone else slap it down. What could be more NFL than that?
Appeal heard by whom? It makes a big difference. See In Re Ray.DeJesus Built My Hotrod said:
Also, you will not go broke consistently betting that lawyers will get involved. Lawyers always get involved.
DeJesus Built My Hotrod said:
We still have to hear about "Spygate" eight years later, and no public fight was put up at all on those charges. Do you really think this goes away and Brady doesn't have to deal with it any more if he just lets the punishment happen?
It's sad and not a little bit ironic that if Goodell was ever investigated for his Ray Rice fuck up, he'd probaby have found himself suspended if not termined from his job as commissioner. Just think if that incident was subject to a "Wellsian-type" investigation and the inferences and assumptions made to indict Brady were applied to RG. i.e. What would Wells have made of the following facts, taken from RG's Wikipedia page?:
[SIZE=10pt]"[/SIZE][SIZE=10pt]On September 8, 2014, TMZ released footage from the elevator that showed Rice striking Palmer in the face and Palmer falling to the floor unconscious. The release of the graphic video led to renewed criticism of Goodell's initial suspension of Rice.[60]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Goodell#cite_note-60[61][/SIZE][62] Contrary to reporting from earlier in the summer, the NFL released a statement saying no one in the league office had viewed this video before Rice's suspension was announced.[51]
[SIZE=10pt]Later that day, Goodell announced he was suspending Rice from the NFL indefinitely. The Ravens also announced that they had released Rice.[63]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Goodell#cite_note-63[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]A number of journalists speculated that Goodell attempted to cover up whether the NFL had access to the damning video; many of them called for his resignation as commissioner,[64]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Goodell#cite_note-64[65][/SIZE][66][67][68][69] as did O'Neill of the National Organization for Women[70] and U.S. Senator Heidi Heitkamp.[71] New England Patriots owner Robert Kraft defended Goodell and asserted that the commissioner had not been aware of the video before September 8.[72] Goodell claimed in a CBS News interview on September 9 that nobody in the NFL had access to the video.[73] The next day, a report surfaced by the Associated Press that a copy of the tape was sent to a league executive earlier that year, in April.[74]
Oh the irony that Bob Kraft is attributed with saving RG's ass, and that RG is caught in a lie the very next day, as reported by the AP, that a copy of the elevator tape was sent to a league executive 6 months prior to RG's protestation that they had never received the tape.
[SIZE=10pt]"[/SIZE][SIZE=10pt]On September 8, 2014, TMZ released footage from the elevator that showed Rice striking Palmer in the face and Palmer falling to the floor unconscious. The release of the graphic video led to renewed criticism of Goodell's initial suspension of Rice.[60]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Goodell#cite_note-60[61][/SIZE][62] Contrary to reporting from earlier in the summer, the NFL released a statement saying no one in the league office had viewed this video before Rice's suspension was announced.[51]
[SIZE=10pt]Later that day, Goodell announced he was suspending Rice from the NFL indefinitely. The Ravens also announced that they had released Rice.[63]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Goodell#cite_note-63[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]A number of journalists speculated that Goodell attempted to cover up whether the NFL had access to the damning video; many of them called for his resignation as commissioner,[64]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Goodell#cite_note-64[65][/SIZE][66][67][68][69] as did O'Neill of the National Organization for Women[70] and U.S. Senator Heidi Heitkamp.[71] New England Patriots owner Robert Kraft defended Goodell and asserted that the commissioner had not been aware of the video before September 8.[72] Goodell claimed in a CBS News interview on September 9 that nobody in the NFL had access to the video.[73] The next day, a report surfaced by the Associated Press that a copy of the tape was sent to a league executive earlier that year, in April.[74]
Oh the irony that Bob Kraft is attributed with saving RG's ass, and that RG is caught in a lie the very next day, as reported by the AP, that a copy of the elevator tape was sent to a league executive 6 months prior to RG's protestation that they had never received the tape.
DeJesus Built My Hotrod said:
Been there, done that, and all they have to show for it is that last scandal being used to justify blowing this non-scandal all out of any proportion. So they may as well fight and get an arbitrator to dismiss the junk science and the judgment.
The Patriots have taken the high road for years now (other than the occasional FU TD or targeting of a particularly mouthy opposing CB or whatever). I wish they'd starting slinging some mud of their own for once.
bluefenderstrat said:
I'd be fine with Belichick retiring, turning it over to Josh, and writing a tell all book that blows the cover off the NFL.
I'd love that...but I'm sure he wants into the HOF, so you'd have to wait....and once in the HOF, I doubt he writes that book, ever.BelichickFan said:
This isn't about taking the high road or fighting back. It has to do with public opinion and the reality is that outside of New England, Brady will never be vindicated. To non Patriot or Brady NFL fans, he cheated and nothing will change that "fact". Taking the unprecedented path of involving lawyers into a dispute with his "employer" isn't going to change anything and will only further stoke anti-Brady sentiment.
Taking the final punishment and moving on is the best way to put this thing to bed. Will it ever go away? Unfortunately, no but even ARod has won some fans back after taking his punishment and moving on.
Taking the final punishment and moving on is the best way to put this thing to bed. Will it ever go away? Unfortunately, no but even ARod has won some fans back after taking his punishment and moving on.
Bleedred said:
Highly doubt he would although the way he through in a small Camera Gate defense during Deflate Gate press conference made me wonder if he'd had enough this time.