#DFG: Canceling the Noise
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Note: it looks like this thread is nearing its end now that the suspension & the fines have been announced.
Just a heads up beforehand.
Just a heads up beforehand.
So the patriots are now responsible for any and all paranoia in the minds of their opponents. Rumor mongering will be rewarded especially if other teams fans believe the rumors. to say this response demonstrates concern for Integrity certainly requires an expanded definition of what constitutes Integritysoxhop411 said:
Kraft stood up pretty strongly the week before the Super Bowl.BigJimEd said:
While his legal options are limited, he can certainly start a PR blitz and potentially get Goodell fired at some point in the future.
bankshot1 said:
I don't think he'll have to spend anything for that. Just hold a presser tonight outlining how ridiculous this is and Bristol will come to him.
This can't be emphasized enough:
@walsha
Former NFLPA President Troy Vincent allegedly met secretly with Goodell to provide the NFL access to confidential union information.
@walsha
Former NFLPA President Troy Vincent allegedly met secretly with Goodell to provide the NFL access to confidential union information.
Remember that Wells has those texts for three weeks before the fourth interview, which was apparently enough time to find other texts messages on the phones, which they asked him about and for which he provided responses. Why wasn't Wells able to find these texts on the same timeline? How long should Wells be given to find additional texts on the same phone? How many bites at the apple does he get? This wasn't new evidence that came to light because of another interview or something else they just acquired, this was a question about evidence Wells had the fourth time McNally was interviewed.EvilEmpire said:
And why reject the written response as a last alternative? If they didn't want to tip their hand before questioning him, fine, but once they accepted that wasn't happening, wouldn't for the sake of completeness they at least try to get a response through whatever means they could?
nattysez said:
If we can agree to change the recipient to the fund set up for AnkleStigmata's kids, I'll take the other side of that bet.
the ovation brady will get when he takes the field on opening night will be absolutely deafening.
Look, there's not a lot the team can do. Brady can appeal, and will win, but whatever. Just sucks, I care about the NFL a lot less than I did an hour ago. Not really a lot we can do as fans though.
I plan on basically being 2000 Yankee fan level obnoxious with opposing fans going forward in most forums though.
I plan on basically being 2000 Yankee fan level obnoxious with opposing fans going forward in most forums though.
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@walsha Former NFLPA President Troy Vincent allegedly met secretly with Goodell to provide the NFL access to confidential union information.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d818baffc/article/report-government-investigating-nflpa-employees-for-collusion
@walsha Former NFLPA President Troy Vincent allegedly met secretly with Goodell to provide the NFL access to confidential union information.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d818baffc/article/report-government-investigating-nflpa-employees-for-collusion
Eddie Jurak said:
That's not correct. He can go on an all-out PR blitz in support of both the team and Brady; there's no way the league can prevent that. He could also start a movement among the owners to depose Goodell as commissioner.
I guess he could also ask Goodell for reconsideration of the team's punishment, but I would agree that's more of a theoretical option than a real one in this case.
RGREELEY33 said:
Point taken, but three key differences:
1) A rule was actually violated in Camerapositiongate. A nonsense rule, sure, but we have proof a rule was violated (the Patriots even admitted it).
2) This punishment was several times worse than the 2007 punishment. Nobody was suspended for Camerapositiongate.
3) Goodell was new. I was hoping it was a one-time overreach for a green commissioner. He has proven me wrong several times over the last eight years.
Basically, fool me once vs. fool me twice. I was almost out in September when Goodell (and Kraft, mind you!) shat all over themselves over Ray Rice, Adrian Peterson, et al. This is it for me.
Stern would have handled this with a couple sarcastic comments to reporters. Goodell not only fucked it up from the start, but refuses to stop doing so months after the whole thing should have been put to bed.
When this will hit the owners is the next time Goodell fucks up something that's actually consequential. He's repeatedly proven himself to be unqualified for his position, so the next time he botches something, people are coming straight for the owners. By keeping around someone so grossly incompetent, they've forfeited any future cover he might provide them the next time he face plants in a high-profile situation. He's an inevitable PR disaster for every owner.
When this will hit the owners is the next time Goodell fucks up something that's actually consequential. He's repeatedly proven himself to be unqualified for his position, so the next time he botches something, people are coming straight for the owners. By keeping around someone so grossly incompetent, they've forfeited any future cover he might provide them the next time he face plants in a high-profile situation. He's an inevitable PR disaster for every owner.
Stitch01 said:
I legitimately just feel nothing but disinterest towards the NFL now. What's the point? They're hypocritical. They're stupid. It's not going to change.
@BSO Think about it, NFL made Brady 1st game back against Colts on Sunday Night. This is WWE booking, they are playing us all.
Roger = Vince
Roger = Vince
This seems to be a pretty current list of sponsors. I won't be ordering a Papa John's pizza or eating at McDonald's tomorrow*
Gatorade
Visa USA
Campbell’s Soup
FedEx
Frito-Lay
General Motors
Mars Snackfood
Pepsi
Dairy Management Inc.
Bridgestone
National Guard
Procter & Gamble (Gillette; Head & Shoulders; Vicks; Old Spice; Tide; Duracell; COVERGIRL)
Verizon
Barclays
Papa John’s
Castrol
Anheuser-Busch
USAA
Bose
Marriott
Xbox
Quaker
Lenovo
SAP
McDonald’s
NetApp
Microsoft/Surface by Microsoft and Windows
* this is true every day. But still
Gatorade
Visa USA
Campbell’s Soup
FedEx
Frito-Lay
General Motors
Mars Snackfood
Pepsi
Dairy Management Inc.
Bridgestone
National Guard
Procter & Gamble (Gillette; Head & Shoulders; Vicks; Old Spice; Tide; Duracell; COVERGIRL)
Verizon
Barclays
Papa John’s
Castrol
Anheuser-Busch
USAA
Bose
Marriott
Xbox
Quaker
Lenovo
SAP
McDonald’s
NetApp
Microsoft/Surface by Microsoft and Windows
* this is true every day. But still
Any chance there's a silver lining in this? Meaning, it serves as a motivation for the players to perform at a level that brings home another Super Bowl win?
nattysez said:
Cool.
Now I get to watch Goodell decide to hear the arbitration himself, in which case I'll just get out my checkbook. (Again.)
SeoulSoxFan said:
Out of all the bad ways this could spin for Goodell, the patina of a union-busting move is among the worst in terms of public opinion. And thus, that is how it shall break.
BigSoxFan said:
They could've given Brady a lifetime ban and he's not getting booed here ever.
Edit: Unless you're talking in San Francisco after the 50 point win to seal #5.
Eddie Jurak said:
No need for dreaming, Goodell has already been bailed out by Kraft a couple of times, after this I'm fairly certain that the owners who want him out will be emboldened by the lack of defenders in Goodell's corner. At this point is there anyone left outside Bisciotti?
Larry Granillo @wezen_ball
In baseball terms, Tom Brady got suspended 40 games for having pine tar on his arm, right?
In baseball terms, Tom Brady got suspended 40 games for having pine tar on his arm, right?
Or just wait till Goodell fucks the next decision up and bury him politically with the other owners.lexrageorge said:
If Kraft doesn't go on a PR crusade now, I'll just assume he's seething silently, while plotting with other jilted owners and get RG canned in the most vindictive, painful way possible.
Apologies if this has been posted, I haven't seen it yet (from the NFL's statement)
I do think we pretty much have to take the action of post-ref manipulation as fact, at this point. No that it matters a whit.
I do think we pretty much have to take the action of post-ref manipulation as fact, at this point. No that it matters a whit.
I'm with you guys that this is total bullshit. However, Kraft knows the politics of the league and should've kept his mouth shut about what would (or would not) be found in the investigation. If Goodell felt Kraft was questioning his leadership or credibility, then the obvious answer for Goodell is to do something drastic to put Kraft in his place. Goodell and Kraft had a dick contest and Roger is winning, right now. Again, total bullshit.
