#DFG: Canceling the Noise
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I'm barely a casual follower of the Patriots, and football in general, and this punishment seems absurd. Absolutely shocking to me if the franchise doesn't have any recourse in regards to the fine (who cares) and the draft pick (what the absolute fuck?!).
And even the suspension of Brady seems absurd. Not only does it seem the NFL lacks any proof he knew about this, but they basically admit it by stating "Tom Brady probably knew what was going on" (paraphrasing, but the key phrase is "probably knew".
Jim Thome and Jeff Bagwell probably took some sort of PED. The Yankees probably tampered with a free agent. Celebrity X and Politician Y probably cheated on their taxes, snorted cocaine and drove drunk.
They don't know shit.
And even the suspension of Brady seems absurd. Not only does it seem the NFL lacks any proof he knew about this, but they basically admit it by stating "Tom Brady probably knew what was going on" (paraphrasing, but the key phrase is "probably knew".
Jim Thome and Jeff Bagwell probably took some sort of PED. The Yankees probably tampered with a free agent. Celebrity X and Politician Y probably cheated on their taxes, snorted cocaine and drove drunk.
They don't know shit.
I don't know what system they used to rip the phones, who did the exploitation or if the texts were deleted and then recovered, or how long all of that process took, or if the Wells team go some information initially and had to wait on the forensics stuff, or what. No idea. Don't know how reasonable the Wells team was or not. I just don't think it matters. They were conducting an investigation. If they had legitimate questions, even if late developing, they had legitimate questions. Asking McNally about the texts he sent and what they meant seems pretty important. More important that the Patriots' reason for not making him available.
I suspect the Patriots were not completely in the dark about why investigators wanted to talk to McNally again. They didn't make him available. I may be wrong, but I'm pretty sure when they did that they knew there might be consequences.
@Edwerderespn From @TroyVincent23 to #Patriots: "The footballs were intentionally deflated ... to provide a competitive advantage to Tom Brady.''
Seriously, fuck you Troy Vincent. Even the Wells report does NOT say it provided competitive advantage.
All those ass-beatings as a BIll must have really gone to your head. Troy. Fucking. Vincent.
Seriously, fuck you Troy Vincent. Even the Wells report does NOT say it provided competitive advantage.
All those ass-beatings as a BIll must have really gone to your head. Troy. Fucking. Vincent.
dylanmarsh said:
I think that's basically right. All Kraft can really do now is accept that he lost this battle, then figure out how to slip a knife between Goodell's shoulder blades sometime in the next couple years.
Serious question, as I don't really know much about the NFL HoF - but could this keep Brady out in the same way it's keeping Bonds/Clemens/etc out?
I realize the question is going to piss people off thinking about it, but it's not our say if Brady is a HoFer.
I realize the question is going to piss people off thinking about it, but it's not our say if Brady is a HoFer.
Morgan's Magic Snowplow said:
Don't agree with this. Kraft was well-spoken and it showed the trust he had in BB & Brady. I do not think he was wrong based on the Wells report. Kraft went to the bat, and you can't blame a rogue commish and a turncoat Union-buster Vincent on Kraft.
Usually teams have the so-called Super Bowl hangover due to lack of motivation. We should be thanking Roger for handing BB the ultimate motivation tool.
Roger will assume role of appellate court. He will ask Brady to come in, and expect him to grovel when he does. If so, suspension cut in half. If not, it sticks.
I do not think Goodell will necessarily recuse himself. If he does not, Tom and the union may have to sue to get this overturned.
I do not think Goodell will necessarily recuse himself. If he does not, Tom and the union may have to sue to get this overturned.
Not wishing injuries to anyone, I wouldn't be surprised if some rogue NEP player goes after Andrew Luck in the upcoming season and knock him out for the rest of the year.
FWIW, I just emailed the NFL Shop and asked them to remove me from their mailing list, I also informed them that their commissioner is a joke and a disgrace.
SeoulSoxFan said:
I'm not blaming Kraft, just saying there's not much he can do right now. The league has the power and if Goodell is willing to piss all over the Patriots, all Kraft can do is quietly work to depose him in the long term.
This is equivalent of getting 30 years for a parking violation. The NFL is operating like the Gestapo
njnesportsfan said:
Why would they do that? Andrew Luck had nothing to do with this. Don't be like that.
brandonchristensen said:
Has it always been that way? I frequented it maybe 5-6 years ago. Mostly because quite a few developers and journalists frequented the boards. Never posted on the site, as they seemed incredibly ban happy, to the point where it appeared to stifle discussion.
The best part of this is written in black and white is the punishment: $25,000 fine. Goodell is using the Patriots' name to grab the league more attention in the offseason.
People need to stop comparing this to the WWE. Even the WWE doesn't take itself this seriously.
People need to stop comparing this to the WWE. Even the WWE doesn't take itself this seriously.
What shenanigans are you speaking of other than having cameras in the wrong location?
Edit: didn't include quote from this axx character.
Edit: didn't include quote from this axx character.
Can't he get in trouble for this statement as the report does makes sure not to say the balls were known to be deflated?SeoulSoxFan said:
Last few years it went hyper PC and ban happy. Read some posts from 3+ years ago it's a completely different place.natpastime162 said:
Brady's camp needs to get a rebuttal out NOW. He's already taking a massive hit by waiting until after the network news has the full story. If this goes unchallenged in the media until tomorrow, Brady might as well put an "I'm guilty" sign on his forehead. No one will believe anything he says.
Harry Hooper said:
McNally, definitely nothing. JJ is a full-time employee; much like teachers I wouldn't be surprised if his pay was dispersed evenly throughout the offseason.
Ultimate pimp move: Pats announce they'll be leaving the NFL and joining the CFL, immediately.
So Troy Vincent and Goodell are the real Dynamic Duo. Per Reiss: http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/new-england-patriots/post/_/id/4781363/blistering-penalty-handed-down-to-tom-brady-patriots
Past history and lack of cooperation cited a factor. NFL Executive Vice President Troy Vincent cited the club's prior record, specifically videotaping signals of opposing defensive coaches, as a "strong consideration" in determining the severity of the punishment. Vincent also said another important consideration was level of cooperation with the investigation and the league came down hard on two things -- the club not making Jim McNally available for an additional interview and Brady not producing any emails or text messages. The third factor cited by Vincent was the belief that equipment assistant John Jastremski and officials locker room attendant Jim McNally weren't fully candid. When the league first announced that it was conducting an investigation, the Patriots pledged full cooperation, but the league felt otherwise
Past history and lack of cooperation cited a factor. NFL Executive Vice President Troy Vincent cited the club's prior record, specifically videotaping signals of opposing defensive coaches, as a "strong consideration" in determining the severity of the punishment. Vincent also said another important consideration was level of cooperation with the investigation and the league came down hard on two things -- the club not making Jim McNally available for an additional interview and Brady not producing any emails or text messages. The third factor cited by Vincent was the belief that equipment assistant John Jastremski and officials locker room attendant Jim McNally weren't fully candid. When the league first announced that it was conducting an investigation, the Patriots pledged full cooperation, but the league felt otherwise
@IanKenyonNFL I'm fine with four game suspension. Confused by the first rounder unless they think Belichick and craft were involved in the deflations...
I'm sorry, but there's really a part of this that is just hysterical. I think 10 years from now we will all be doing something that has nothing to do with football and just burst out laughing as it pops into our heads.
Yeah I totally expected the TB suspension but the draft picks and million dollar fine are mind blowing
Edit: so Troy Vincent's conclusions from the Wells report were:
1) balls were intentionally deflated illegally (Wells report does not conclude this)
2) it gave a competitive advantage (Wells report does not conclude this)
3) organization had to know about it hence the draft pick penalty (Wells report does not conclude this)
if the NFL was just gonna make shit up why bother spending millions on the report?
Edit: so Troy Vincent's conclusions from the Wells report were:
1) balls were intentionally deflated illegally (Wells report does not conclude this)
2) it gave a competitive advantage (Wells report does not conclude this)
3) organization had to know about it hence the draft pick penalty (Wells report does not conclude this)
if the NFL was just gonna make shit up why bother spending millions on the report?
soxhop411 said:
The NFLPA executive committee is pretty stacked with former Brady teammates and potential sympathizers:
Former teammates: Adam Vinatieri, Benjamin Watson, Brian Waters, Jay Feely (teammate at Michigan, who I believe is also a close personal friend of Brady's)
Potential sympathizers: Zak DeOssie (son of noted Belichick loyalist, Steve DeOssie; native New Englander)
Wildcards/neutral(?) parties: Eric Winston (NFLPA President), Mark Herzlich, Lorenzo Alexander, Scott Wells
Potential antagonists: Ryan Clark (former Steelers safety who has been a vocal critic of the Pats, Brady in particular), Matt Hasselbeck (Colts backup QB, brother of leading Brady critic, Tim Hasselbeck)
Obviously the NFLPA has to go to bat for Brady regardless, but I'd hope at least some of the executives above take Brady's treatment as a personal affront, and will therefore take particular interest in ripping the league a new asshole when this goes to appeal.