#DFG: Canceling the Noise
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I would not rule out the possibility that there will be further punishment of the Pats for their website fiasco today. It was far outside the bounds set by the NFL by-laws, and most of the other 31 owners are probably upset that Kraft has gone public with his complaints. Roger might well decide that it is time to bring the hammer down once again, just to make the point that you don't challenge his authority, at least not in public. If so, then kiss the 2017 first round pick goodbye.
Fucking brutal. I had to stop reading. Does Munson realize who Brady hired in his case at all? What an embarrasment of a column.tims4wins said:
Goodell should then take all their draft picks.
In fact, he have the Patriots forfeit 4 or 6 or 8 games.
What is stopping him?
In fact, he have the Patriots forfeit 4 or 6 or 8 games.
What is stopping him?
As outrageous as it sounds, at some level, this is something that I want this to happen. At some point, somebody, anybody of consequence would have to realize the absurdity of this whole thing. right? right?Koufax said:
Plus I'm trying to watch the NBA on ESPN and they are running the silly fucking trailer with the results of the idiot fans. I've avoided all sportscasts except for games I like but I can't avoid that crap. I even have friends sending me the BS. All the low hanging fruit drivel.
No one can be reasoned with. Even normally reasonable people who think the punishment is too severe think their should be a fine, lost draft picks and Brady suspension.
I sent Ivan's brilliant summary and all refused to read it.
They all refuse to read anything. They do no want to hear or read anything that might change their mind. They have long ago since Spygate bought into the lie.
No one can be reasoned with. Even normally reasonable people who think the punishment is too severe think their should be a fine, lost draft picks and Brady suspension.
I sent Ivan's brilliant summary and all refused to read it.
They all refuse to read anything. They do no want to hear or read anything that might change their mind. They have long ago since Spygate bought into the lie.
See, this is funny. To me, if I was looking at it negatively, it would be as if they had some special coats with holes for needles or something and he was telling him to destroy the evidence after deflating. But I can also quite reasonably look it as a jab calling him a fatty; he saw him on TV during the game and was, well, needling him. And if it was the former, one would expect a text would have come the other way first, something like "wtf do I do?" Those are the two ways I would look at it. I think that kind of demonstrates the danger of trying to put these into context.86spike said:
snowmanny said:
It's not just that there's no text with something like "Tom's an asshole, but he likes them at 12", but there's not even a "You know Tom said go as low as we can". The only things that show Tom referencing an actual PSI are when he talks about what the rules say.
There's nothing.
This is when you go full asshole. "Listen, I understand being a fan of X team not as successful as the Patriots must be frustrating. I just want you to know that your tears bring me joy and grant me the energy to dance the charlston in my living room."Dahabenzapple2 said:
Some Dolphins fan at work started needling. I gave him his minute or so, but he didn't stop, so I told him he was cheering on a bunch of "loser racial abusers." I'm not even quite sure what that means, but the dude got PISSED, started yelling, and walked away. It gave me great joy.
Bottom line: I wouldn't trade being a fan of the Patriots in my 31 years on this earth for any of the other 31 teams, and that's the truth as objective as I can give it. If that makes me arrogant, so be it, but when all reason is gone, little choice is left.
The next step in Kraft's strategy should be the polygraph.
Find a NYC polygraph firm willing to do it for free, or issue an open offer to the NFL to split the cost with them. Just find a way to have it appear to be and actually be as neutral, objective, and fair as possible.
Have Brady do it at his local boys & girls club in San Mateo, and have ESPN broadcast the whole thing live. It will be as massive as Lebron's The Decision. If Brady is really telling the truth he'll agree to it. And, if the polygraph absolves him it will be huge massive PR win that would completely turn public opinion. And, it would also give Goodell a legitimate face-saving out to reverse all the punishments.
I think that's their best shot, since they've tried a bunch of other stuff that hasn't worked.
Find a NYC polygraph firm willing to do it for free, or issue an open offer to the NFL to split the cost with them. Just find a way to have it appear to be and actually be as neutral, objective, and fair as possible.
Have Brady do it at his local boys & girls club in San Mateo, and have ESPN broadcast the whole thing live. It will be as massive as Lebron's The Decision. If Brady is really telling the truth he'll agree to it. And, if the polygraph absolves him it will be huge massive PR win that would completely turn public opinion. And, it would also give Goodell a legitimate face-saving out to reverse all the punishments.
I think that's their best shot, since they've tried a bunch of other stuff that hasn't worked.
I consider myself a pretty reasonable non-Pats (Jets) fan. I pretty much do not care one bit if they deflated on purpose or not, and think that there is not enough evidence to prove that they did (and deserve the punishment). But, I have to say that I had the same reaction, and it really makes me think twice about their innocence. I understand wanting an eye-for-eye, but I think that it was a response made out of emotions rather than reasoned strategy.86spike said:
Yes, and the rest of it is convincing. There was no reason to put the nickname explanation in even if true. Frankly, I do not think that they should have done any of this through a publicized website rebuttal, but rather should have gone through available dispute channels. It would be more convincing if McNally testified under oath as to his nickname. By the way, I feel the same way about Wells report...convincing in some respects, but its BS leaps make me question its conclusions.Dahabenzapple2 said:
tims4wins said:
Well, it's sort of like the President's top science adviser getting a C- in astrophysics.
http://abovethelaw.com/2011/04/espn-legal-analyst-does-disservice-to-all-mankind/
Yeah, that's a good method. I'm out in 49'er country so always debate Brady GOAT vs Montagna. Joe may have been generally aware of Jerry illegally using Stickum, etc.Ed Hillel said:
The other route to go is the Stoic method and laugh it off - Brady got off easy...Ray Rice got two games and all he did was knock his wife out cold and drag her out of an elevator by her hair. Brady deserved at least a year for maybe being generally aware of balls that may have been .3 psi below limits, depending on which gauge was used. Or maybe he asked them to be set at 12.5 and they dropped due to temp, but just in case he didn't they should suspend him for a year.
The draft picks are the part that piss me off though, those are likely gone I'm afraid.
This whole thing is insane.
An ESPN fan poll earlier had something like - 72% of fans think the punishment is fair (including in that, Brady's suspension) and 63% think Brady cheated. who the fuck are the 9% that think it's fair, even though they don't think Brady cheated?
Anyway, this whole thing is so fucking incredible, nothing would surprise me and in a perverse way, I just want it to keep going. Scorched earth is an exciting strategy, at the very least.
An ESPN fan poll earlier had something like - 72% of fans think the punishment is fair (including in that, Brady's suspension) and 63% think Brady cheated. who the fuck are the 9% that think it's fair, even though they don't think Brady cheated?
Anyway, this whole thing is so fucking incredible, nothing would surprise me and in a perverse way, I just want it to keep going. Scorched earth is an exciting strategy, at the very least.
Exactly. This is the same group that sued scalpers and rescinded season tickets for holders who were caught reselling. And their favorite person ever just got suspended for 4 games on the basis of something with so many holes that Goodell should have melted it on his hamburger. They have different goals in mind right now.Shelterdog said:
Upon reflection, the thing that stands out about the rebuttal is that they asserted 100% innocence, extending to JJ and McNally. I have been assuming all along that these guys were probably screwing around with the balls to some degree but that nobody else, including Brady, was involved. I also assume that the Patriots at some point in the last few months sat down with Dumb and Dumber and extracted the unvarnished truth from them. But if these guys were screwing around with the balls, then what's the point in protecting them? The smart move would be to criticize everything else about the report and make sure that Brady remains siloed.
So that leaves us with three other options:
(1) Everybody is actually innocent and that's why the Patriots are aggressively saying so.
(2) Everybody is actually guilty (or at least the conspiracy truly did extend to Brady and maybe beyond) and the Patriots are hesitant to throw JJ or McNally totally under the bus because these guys might tell tales.
(3) It was just McNally/JJ all along, but they're not only lying to the NFL but also lying to the Patriots and the Patriots have chosen to believe them.
I find 3 kind of implausible for a variety of reasons, which leaves us with 1 or 2. On some level, that obviously doesn't tell us much. But it does suggest that things might be a bit more black and white than I, at least, previously assumed.
So that leaves us with three other options:
(1) Everybody is actually innocent and that's why the Patriots are aggressively saying so.
(2) Everybody is actually guilty (or at least the conspiracy truly did extend to Brady and maybe beyond) and the Patriots are hesitant to throw JJ or McNally totally under the bus because these guys might tell tales.
(3) It was just McNally/JJ all along, but they're not only lying to the NFL but also lying to the Patriots and the Patriots have chosen to believe them.
I find 3 kind of implausible for a variety of reasons, which leaves us with 1 or 2. On some level, that obviously doesn't tell us much. But it does suggest that things might be a bit more black and white than I, at least, previously assumed.
Myt1 said:
My second favorite line about the report this week. The best was "The Wells report had holes so big Trent Richardson could run through them."
djhb20 said:
There was an even better one a couple days ago where something like 80% of respondents thought other teams committed similar infractions yet 60% of respondents thought the Super Bowl win was tarnished.
Well, it is against the bylaws, which means that it can be used as further evidence of Pats not playing by rules. I just think it was a mistake going this route.troparra said:
Munson gets shit wrong frequently. I have no idea how he stuck at SI and ESPN. Mike and Mike had some new legal analyst I've never seen in ESPN before and he was much better.tims4wins said:
On appeal of a strictly legal argument, you're absolutely right.drleather2001 said:
Things are just a little different when your only legal argument is "insufficiency of the evidence."
Somebody should photoshop Roger into that suit and haircut.mauidano said:
Goodell is looking more like a crazed dictator every day.
I'm still scratching my head as to its purpose. I postulated that it might be a big vent so that the League doesn't fuck with the Pats again anytime soon ( And likely this is Ted Wells' last investigation gig for the NFL). Shelter thinks it was to convince the other owners that Bob is now batshit crazy so that they will persuade Roger to press the reset button.Return of the Dewey said:
But honestly, I don't see what good it has accomplished, and I can't help thinking that the Pats may wake up tomorrow feeling like the husband or boyfriend who was driven beyond the brink and then banged the hottest Dennys waitress he could find.
Kraft could have used this stuff in private first to get some relief. Or just given it to team Brady if the Pats decline to pursue an appeal ( which now seems likely).
Fans of 44 states and the District of Columbia are beyond persuading, most of the other 31 owners are unhappy , and RG remains unmoved.
