#DFG: Canceling the Noise
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90% of this thread is people making shit up. Including everyone rejecting the reasonable "the referees don't check balls carefully pre-game" in favour of the elaborate conspiracies where Lord Belimort used his sinister powers to deflate the balls while they were on the sideline. My rule is that if you're making shit up you damn well better make me laugh in the process. Fortunately some of these responses are stupid enough that they're covering for the responses that are merely dull.There is no Rev said:
More often than not failures or gaps in performance can be chocked up to pure incompetency, laziness, or a lack of attention to detail.
I have no doubt NFL officials are capable of all three simultaneously.
I have no doubt NFL officials are capable of all three simultaneously.
Hilarious video from Craig Carton (of Boomer & Carton show), an mad-avid Jets fan, about the DeflateGate:
http://news.yahoo.com/video/boomer-carton-patriots-face-deflate-153036589-cbs.html
- BB is a genius for pushing the boundaries & figures out shit way ahead of anyone else
- Laments why Jets and other NY teams don't have a coach like BB
- Hates & loves BB
http://news.yahoo.com/video/boomer-carton-patriots-face-deflate-153036589-cbs.html
I've tried to infuse reason, logic, and speaking from experience in this thread. Jasail, if you would like to go back and read the posts that I made from actual facts you are more than welcome to do so.
johnmd20 said:
No, my response was to accept and admit that my initial post was self-involved and then point a way in which the thread could be better managed so it didn't turn into such a clusterfuck of hyperbole, speculation, ect and would thereby be easier for other, less invested readers, to digest. If the advice is unwelcome, then so be it, it was merely a suggestion. Then for good measure, I through in some obligatory message board snark.
Section15Box113 said:
You mean Jonathan Kraft was actually contributing in a meaningful way? Mind blown.
We don't know how close all the balls actually were. I'm sure that morts two second report about all 11 being 2psi under included a fair amount of rounding. And assuming that all the balls start at about the same psi and you plug a needle into each and count to two Mississippi I bet you'd end up with more or less the same pressure in each ball. I doubt morts report was an exact science.DrewDawg said:
You are correct in the fact that you put a needle in the ball for a second and it's very easy to take 2 PSI out.( . ) ( . ) and (_!_) said:
jasail said:
I mean, you're not wrong. It's just that that would, at this point, require a shit-ton of work that you're asking someone else to do to save time for people who don't want to read.
RetractableRoof said:
Settle down, Britney.
jasail said:
My fifth grade teacher used to give us what he called "dictionary work" when the class got unruly or did something foolish. He would assign us pages in the dictionary to hand copy -- word for word, symbol for symbol.
Perhaps you should hand copy this thread, post for post
As someone else commented upthread, I'm sure Belichick is pushing the boundaries of the rulebook in many ways constantly, including this item (QB selected pressure) that everyone does. He's always looking for any edge possible, call him Boring Al Davis or the Billy Beane that actually won something. I'm assuming he's still got people trying to crack opposing teams' signals and audibles to this day, though it'll be less effective since 1- teams are more careful to change their signals more often now and 2- The helmet with the green dot allows the bulk of the defensive playcall to be communicated directly.
The announced "checked two hours before the game and 5 minutes before the game" only makes sense to me if the Colts had alerted the league/officials prior to the game they were concerned about it being tampered with. It reads to me more likely a classic overly detailed lie to cover up they were sloppy. Per Rodgers, sloppiness on this is at the very least common enough to be unsurprising. If they were sloppy checking in the initial 2 hours pre-game window, is it more likely they'd admit to it when the boss comes asking or "Nuh uh! Not only did we test them exactly two hours ahead of time, we did it again just 5 minutes before the game to be sure!" With the stakes at play here I doubt the refs would own up to something like that, they already get downgraded and disallowed from plum postseason crews for the smallest shit. Why would they re-test when it isn't called for unless there was a concern already lodged? It sounds like a CYA embellishment.
And this is from someone who hates Belichick and the Pats, and as I noted previously, I consider Belichick a cold war era CIA station chief, he's *always* up to something. But I don't buy the reported refs' story (and sue me if I got the apostrophe wrong).
The announced "checked two hours before the game and 5 minutes before the game" only makes sense to me if the Colts had alerted the league/officials prior to the game they were concerned about it being tampered with. It reads to me more likely a classic overly detailed lie to cover up they were sloppy. Per Rodgers, sloppiness on this is at the very least common enough to be unsurprising. If they were sloppy checking in the initial 2 hours pre-game window, is it more likely they'd admit to it when the boss comes asking or "Nuh uh! Not only did we test them exactly two hours ahead of time, we did it again just 5 minutes before the game to be sure!" With the stakes at play here I doubt the refs would own up to something like that, they already get downgraded and disallowed from plum postseason crews for the smallest shit. Why would they re-test when it isn't called for unless there was a concern already lodged? It sounds like a CYA embellishment.
And this is from someone who hates Belichick and the Pats, and as I noted previously, I consider Belichick a cold war era CIA station chief, he's *always* up to something. But I don't buy the reported refs' story (and sue me if I got the apostrophe wrong).
Harbaugh: Ravens didn't notice anything with footballs
http://espn.go.com/blog/baltimore-ravens/post/_/id/17692/john-harbaugh-ravens-didnt-notice-anything-with-patriots-footballs
http://espn.go.com/blog/baltimore-ravens/post/_/id/17692/john-harbaugh-ravens-didnt-notice-anything-with-patriots-footballs
Jones: NFL should suspend Bill Belichick for Super Bowl
http://www.tampabay.com/sports/football/bucs/tom-jones-nfl-should-suspend-bill-belichick-for-super-bowl/2214528
This is the same hack who called out Red Sox fans out for complaining about the cat walks at the Trop when Fenway Park has that ridiculous wall.
http://www.tampabay.com/sports/football/bucs/tom-jones-nfl-should-suspend-bill-belichick-for-super-bowl/2214528
This is the same hack who called out Red Sox fans out for complaining about the cat walks at the Trop when Fenway Park has that ridiculous wall.
Shelterdog said:
I have no idea what Goodell will do, but factors working in the opposite direction include:
1) If punishment comes down now, a harsh punishment is going to be so controversial (and potentially appealed) that it might overshadow the Super Bowl.
2) By many accounts, Bob Kraft was one of the owners that went to bat for Goodell in the last year and helped him keep his job.
3) The harsher the punishment of the Patriots, the more incentive they have to quietly leak anything they might know about the practices of other teams, which is probably a lot.
It may be wishful thinking but I think the sweet spot here is for the NFL to come out now, say that the balls were underinflated but they don't know why, say that a full investigation will be necessary that should have results and disciplinary recommendations in March, and then quietly release a press report in a couple months that softballs the whole thing and the specific involvement of any individuals but docks the Patriots a mid-to-low round draft pick due to irregularities.
jared lorenzen @JaredLorenzen22 4m4 minutes ago
Every QB likes footballs a certain way. Quit acting shocked. Mine had high seams, low end of air. Every ball was like that. #ThxUKManagers
Every QB likes footballs a certain way. Quit acting shocked. Mine had high seams, low end of air. Every ball was like that. #ThxUKManagers
GregHarris said:
I like this theory. Like it a lot. Mostly because it occurred to me last night as I struggled to drift off to sleep...
In a slightly-related vein, assuming the Patriots letting the air out of the balls is a regular occurrence, then the players must be somewhat clued in. Especially Brady. If so, his reaction on Dennis & Callahan on Monday morning when asked about it is first-rate acting. Thanks for the pointers, Bridget!
I just find it a bit comforting that this story is nowhere on the NFL.COM main page except for the story where Zimmer says that it had no impact on the game. I mean really, through all this and all these posts, we are talking about a 2PSI deflated football? Really? I hope our long national nightmare is over soon.
That according to someone who supposedly knows the ball boy that ball to start the second half was a kicking ball. The other dozen where being re-inflated and were still not back to the field yet. They supposedly arrived at the very last minute which saw one introduced after it appeared they were going to go with the kicking ball. The fellow called in to WEEI shortly after lunch.
genoasalami said:
Hack also has this in the same article: "it's going to be next to impossible to prove who was responsible for altering the footballs."
BUT BB STILL MUST BE SUZPENDEDZZZ!1!11!!!
Morgan's Magic Snowplow said:
I hear you and objectively think you're right. Also the harsher the punishment the more it looks like the cheating actually mattered. I think your proposal is exactly how a smart commissioner looking out for the best long term business interests of the league would handle it.
But since Goodell is the commissioner I expect him to throw suspensions and draft-pick penalty around like a rabid chimp flinging poo, I expect the penalties to be assessed before an investigation is complete, and I expect the penalty to be leaked roughly 7 minutes before media day begins on Tuesday.
Makes sense, gathering 12 (or 24) footballs together, testing them and then methodically re-inflating them within the time frame of halftime could be a pretty tight window. And that would make the explanation given by the on-field official at the time actually true, which is somewhat comforting.scotian1 said:
TomTerrific said:
Did you see Brady on SNL? He's no Pacino, much less Manning.
Corsi said:
Even the pigs on Bricktop's farm couldn't chew up Lorenzen's fat ass in 3 years.
http://espn.go.com/boston/nfl/story/_/id/12202450/nfl-says-new-england-patriots-had-inflated-footballs-afc-championship-game
Concise summary above. Goodell has to respond to the fact that this may be competing with State of the Union as the lead national story today, for some obscure reason.
I guess the reasoning of cable news is that people may not care about football, but the masses can't get enough of celebrity scandal. Did Giselle know about Tom's balls?
Concise summary above. Goodell has to respond to the fact that this may be competing with State of the Union as the lead national story today, for some obscure reason.
I guess the reasoning of cable news is that people may not care about football, but the masses can't get enough of celebrity scandal. Did Giselle know about Tom's balls?
There is a chance this thread becomes longer than the actual game thread, which was 66 pages. If nothing else, that is amazing.
Shelterdog said:
This actually makes me wish Selig was the commissioner of the NFL (Bud would do this exactly what was suggested). I am going to now go punish myself for having unclean thoughts.
johnmd20 said:
Depending on next Sunday's outcome, it might be more relevant to the Patriots' future than last Sunday's game.
Which is insane. But I am exactly on the same page as Shelterdog. I think Goodell "deals with this" by being blindingly self-interested and capricious.
I think we're at the point at which we can start using individual media opinions about this as a litmus test of whether the individual is a complete idiot or has a brain in their head. Lots of reporters are failing this one in spectacular fashion.
