And why were only 11 of 12 registering low at the half?lambeau said:
The 12th ball was on the field with Brady and the offense while Jonathan Kraft was doing nefarious things over by the ball bag!
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The 12th ball was on the field with Brady and the offense while Jonathan Kraft was doing nefarious things over by the ball bag!
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Can anyone with real PR sense explain why the league would be releasing this information the way that they are -- dribs and drabs thoughout the night and day? Is this a common strategy they use to try to guage reaction before their next steps, or is this really hard cracking reporters getting people to talk who shouldn't be?
Video of Indy Star editor comparing a ball with 13 PSI to a ball with 11 PSI
Watch that and tell me this isn't a huge fucking waste of everyone's time
Watch that and tell me this isn't a huge fucking waste of everyone's time
So when do they finally tell us what waterboarding the ball boys produced?lambeau said:
Just get on with it.
lambeau said:
So if the balls were fine before the game, this means that either something happened to them during game play, or on the sidelines. With all the cameras I would imagine there would have to be evidence if the Patriots were doing something to the balls.
The more I read about this, the more I think the Patriots didn't do ANYTHING to the balls, but that part-fanboy talking.
pokey_reese said:
I've been wondering about this too--the true baseline wouldn't be the Colts' balls as they didn't have the same experience as the Patriots balls.
But we don't know a lot of other stuff too. How many of the balls got into the game? Was there a difference between those in the game and those not? What was the variation among the 11-12 balls and was there a correlation with time in game?
Even the ostensibly rigorous attempts to sort this out here are based on such limited information, it's sorta analogous to how the refs bring out the chains and act like they are NASA crafted precision measurements when the whole thing is based on a semi-arbitrary eyeballing of the spot.
Stitch01 said:
I was making a pun out of your use of "effect" instead of "affect." Sheesh.
Rudy Pemberton said:
I would laugh my ass off if this turned into a far less tragic version of the West Virginia miners story from about 10 years ago.
This is actually good news. We now have an exact timeline, from 6:45 until the half. There must be overlapping video of the bags of balls at all times in this window.lambeau said:
Watch it. Tell us what you see. End the story.
Tom's Big Balls AC/DC parody
http://www.sportsradiokjr.com/onair/sports-radio-kjr-55035/toms-big-balls-13172153/
And
http://www.sportsradiokjr.com/onair/sports-radio-kjr-55035/toms-big-balls-13172153/
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The latest leaked info, as reported on ESPN, is that after checking at halftime all the balls used in in the 2nd half were properly inflated, so wtf is this all about ? The underinflated balls were used in our less successful half..so much for there being an advantage....
So even after the balls were checked TWICE before the start of the game - The Patriots were arrogant enough to deflate the balls during the course of the first half.
Nope. That doesn't make sense.
Nope. That doesn't make sense.
If they checked the balls 5 minutes before the game, did they do so indoors? Or did they bring a gauge outside? If outside, how long had the balls been outside at that point? Presumably not long enough to cool much. And were the balls at 13 or 12.5 when tested?
So are we left with the ballboy secretly deflating behind the bench with cameras all around - not to mention however many fans looking right at said bench?
If this happened, someone saw it.
So are we left with the ballboy secretly deflating behind the bench with cameras all around - not to mention however many fans looking right at said bench?
If this happened, someone saw it.
So they had 5 minutes do deflate 12 footballs? I mean, I presume they'd want to start their first drive with a deflated one, if they are going to such lengths. Do you really think that is possible?lambeau said:
So, when Mort said his sources were "distraught" about this, I'm beginning to wonder if they were distraught because:
a.) They were offended that the Pats would do such a dastardly deed that so violates the integrity of the game; or
b.) They were pissed that they were going to have to spend the next few days in New England in January tracking down and interviewing every person involved with the Patriots in order to prove that the Pats do what other teams do all the time. And they're doing this while their colleagues are sending them texts poolside in Glendale.
a.) They were offended that the Pats would do such a dastardly deed that so violates the integrity of the game; or
b.) They were pissed that they were going to have to spend the next few days in New England in January tracking down and interviewing every person involved with the Patriots in order to prove that the Pats do what other teams do all the time. And they're doing this while their colleagues are sending them texts poolside in Glendale.
How long until someone posts a video clip of some obscure figure on the sidelines holding a ball making some weird body motions, then a blowup of that video to a resolution that makes any kind of suspicion projectable onto that body action.
We have almost reached the Zapruder moment.
We have almost reached the Zapruder moment.
Yeah, I am guessing "distraught" that a team in their marquee event is getting questioned, which isn't good for public perception regarding competitive fairness
Section15Box113 said:
The ball on the first drive was properly inflated, thus resulting in the Brady overthrow of Edelman. Obvi.
The fact that these pieces of info are trickling through makes me suspicious of the truth to some of these claims.
Some folks here are discounting just how hungry writers are for click-bait material & how jaded some ex-players/team staff are towards Pats.
Can we cut the weather crap? Far too much time has been spent on it here and - regardless of whether or not the temperature could have affected the ball - it's probably safe to say it wasn't the reason the balls were deflated.Section15Box113 said:
Tom likes them softer. Coaches and players around the league acknowledge this happens all the time. Colts balls were fine, Pats werent.
The Pats deflated the balls. Now the league has to decide the approach. The right/fair thing to do is to levy a fine against the team, acknowledge that many teams/players are doing this and that this fine is a warning to the NFL, and going forward punishment will be stronger.
Unfortunately, Goodell is a ham fisted buffoon and he'd rather act decisively than act correctly. He'll levy a fine and maybe a pick, dance around the topic leading people to assume the Pats are the only team to do this, and than hide behind the shield while the Pats twist in the wind.
We've seen this movie before. The ending sucks.
I have not seen once shred of data specific to the atmospheric pressures on Endor OR Kasyyykk... This is all total speculation until we know this information.
Why would it have to happen in a five minute window? Ball boy catches ball that was in play and does a sleight of hand needle poke as he's rubbing down the ball. Also explains why it's only 11 out of 12.
Hoping it's not the case, but who knows. Who was the tweeter up thread that said they didn't see anything fishy in the game video and are they credible?
Hoping it's not the case, but who knows. Who was the tweeter up thread that said they didn't see anything fishy in the game video and are they credible?
Stitch01 said:
Big Ben got a big suspension without criminal charges being brought against him. Peyton got docked a year and wasn't necessarily involved in bountygate.
I think the league kicks the very living shit out of the patriots about this--it's already too big a deal to sweep under the rug.
The legal concept at play is essentially res ipsa loquitor (the act speaks for itself--a result happened that is so bad that even if you don't know who did what you know somebody fucked up). Essentially the balls were fine when the refs checked them, they were all busted at half time, so we don't know if sully the ball boy deflated them or you inflated them in a sauna or what, we're just going to nail you because you did something to get them so deflated so quickly.
I agree 100% with the former, but where do you get the latter, and why do you think it matters? Players move teams and criticize their old teams all the time. I haven't seen any more or less from former Pats players than those from any other team.SeoulSoxFan said:
So the balls passed inspection 2 hours before kickoff, and then again 5 minutes before kickoff, but then were deflated by halftime? So they deflated them right there on the sideline while the game was being played? That seems beyond ludicrous.
If that is true I'm not pissed at the Pats for deflating the balls, I'm pissed at them for being stupid and not being tipped off to the fact that Indy was looking for this based on the double inspection.
If that is true I'm not pissed at the Pats for deflating the balls, I'm pissed at them for being stupid and not being tipped off to the fact that Indy was looking for this based on the double inspection.
Shelterdog said:
Res Ipsa is a negligence concept.
So what harm was caused?
EDIT: It's a rhetorical question. I think you are right. But if Goodell is being "fair", he'd have to ask that last part, because this is all about nothing.
So wait, you mean to tell me that AFTER the balls were re-inflated is when the Patriots went on a 28-0 run? Ain't that some shit?
Tom, you've been doing it wrong.
Tom, you've been doing it wrong.
Kenny F'ing Powers said:
I hope for same outcome in the case of Woody Johnson's tampering [duck].
At this point, I'm just done with it. I know what it is. The Pats fucked up, broke the rules again, and deserve to be punished, but the media is reacting by demanding the Chair for shoplifting. So fine, do whatever you want. Suspend the coach, take the draft pick. Only thing left to do is make sure it's the last one in the round.
Payton got busted for non-cooperation on an investigation into a player safety issue. Deflated balls is not that big of a deal unless you want to make it one.Shelterdog said:
There was also evidence that he tried to cover it up.lexrageorge said:
Also, that investigation took quite a while, and the NFL doesn't have that kind of time before the Super Bowl.
FL4WL3SS said:
Yeah, Belichick's got to get on Brady's case. Pushing the limits of rules is one thing, but going with gut feel rather than data?
This whole affair would be 100% amusing if it weren't for the fact that God only knows what that clownshow Goodell is going to do about it. I have zero confidence it will be handled well by his office.SeoulSoxFan said:
ifmanis5 said:
This is exactly right. I'm with Shelter in that I think Shock and Awe is coming from Goodell, and a lot of it is his fault for allowing teams and employees to leak this information to the press the way he has. The worst part is that he'll fine the Browns quietly for their scandal in a month or two, since nobody gives a shit because the Browns suck. I think the only thing that saves the Pats here is if other coaches/players speak up, and quickly.