I wish I knew BB's mindset on this. I know he blocks out the noise but is this draining on him or does this become a rallying cry to coach forever and destroy other people?
#DFG: Canceling the Noise
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Saints Rest said:
The problem is that journalism, as a business, is dying.
No one has the resources or the inclination to do six months of investigation.
And as I have said several times in the DFG thread, about several different issues involved in the (mis)administration of justice, this - ie the unwillingness/inability of Big Journalism to go beyond hot takez and investigate a substnative story - has profound implications for justice in this country generally, just pick the social ill you care most about. Whatever it is, there is scandalous shit going on, and no one is reporting it
OilCanShotTupac said:
The Fourth Estate has been under imminent threat of eradication since the day the phrase was coined. Like anything else, the good old days weren't as much as you think, and the days ahead are more likely to be the same old times rather than the end days.
We're not at a good spot in the lifecycle of the journalism industry, to be sure, but I firmly it's driven by the new media explosions of the past two decades, and it will evolve and survive. Nobody really seems to discuss journalism or media much as a commodity, but from the simple perspective of hours and inches to fill, YOY growth between cable and the internet has been in-fucking-sane. The talent pool and strategies being used to fill that demand are diluted and archaic.
I'm tempted to even argue that we've bounced off the floor and may be starting to trend in the right direction. As with seemingly everything else, crowd-sourced news and analysis is starting to play a positive role. The reign of hot takes terror begat by Crossfire and First Take is waning, and even Twitter is a more useful tool than it was almost by accident, as the hive never figured out how to control misinformation from bubbling and echoing, but the perpetual failure has lead to an instinct to default to "bullshit" and an improved vetting process.
You could sell me on the idea that there is a true existential threat to journalism in the form of centralized corporate power over media, but I'd argue the best protections there are in our political process, which are under the same threat.
New Report Shows NFL Ignored Complaints, Possibly Censored Bill Leavy In Wells Report
http://boston.cbslocal.com/2015/09/17/new-report-shows-nfl-ignored-complaints-possibly-censored-bill-leavy-in-wells-report/
From CBS Boston
http://boston.cbslocal.com/2015/09/17/new-report-shows-nfl-ignored-complaints-possibly-censored-bill-leavy-in-wells-report/
From CBS Boston
Looks like just more of Felger assuming that every piece of info that was withheld was withheld because it meant something bad for the Patriots/league. Just like the appeal transcript (half-right there at least).riboflav said:
Also, Super Bowl goat Bill Leavy? Really bringing out the big guns.
This "aritcle" is just some shit F&M threw against the wall during the show and now they put it on line to get some clicks.
It isn't even worth discussing.
Edit:We know Baltz lied about other things in the article, why do we assume he is telling the truth about reporting McNally? After all the league has done don't you think they would have included that in the Wells/Pash report.
It isn't even worth discussing.
Edit:We know Baltz lied about other things in the article, why do we assume he is telling the truth about reporting McNally? After all the league has done don't you think they would have included that in the Wells/Pash report.
There is zero evidence that Baltz (Baltz?! Are you fucking kidding me?) suspected McNally of tampering with balls. He seems to have reported McNally for being generally squirrely. I'm surprised Hurley missed that.
Baltz is the same guy that said he was super suspicious of McNally because he was tossing the ball around with Brady pre-game. Said he had never seen the locker room attendant do that in all his years. Then a bunch of former league officials said that it's common for these attendants to be out on the field pre-game, and the story kind of went away.
If anything, we should be suspicious of that guy. He seems to have an agenda.
If anything, we should be suspicious of that guy. He seems to have an agenda.
For what it's worth I heard Zolak say today that McNally never played catch with Brady, said he wasn't exactly an athletic specimen. Jastremski on the other hand would put on receivers gloves and play catch with Tom all the time. He did say McNally would hang out near Tom and toss a ball to Tom if he needed it.
Don't we already know that his son used to work for the Colts? And that his ex-boss thinks he has an agenda?
Fair enough, but there is this:
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/25307541/former-boss-of-suspicious-ex-ref-questions-agenda-concerning-pats
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/25307541/former-boss-of-suspicious-ex-ref-questions-agenda-concerning-pats
It is so fucking obvious that nobody, refs included, ever gave a shit about PSI beyond informally checking the "yep, pumped up the balls" box. That's the fucking story. Hell, the refs and security people in charge of the AFC game probably didn't even fathom that BALL PSI was even something that needed to be monitored.
ipol said:
Hey, Baltz, doesn't this behavior consistent with the story these guys have told since Day 1? That there was a lot of pressure on them to make sure the balls were within regulation because they sometimes weren't?
ipol said:
It's funny that Baltz changed his original story of being suspicious because McNally was playing catch with Brady, to being suspicious because McNally was always worried about the balls. But yet this article confirms via his boss that Baltz reported McNally because he was playing catch.
His whole story sounds goofy to me, if it's part of my job to carry the footballs out to the field, why wouldn't I want to get that done 10-15 minutes before the game instead of waiting until 2 minutes before the game, especially if there's a chance that, if I can, Brady might toss a few to me? And then, when he describes what a normal locker room attendant would do, after waiting until 2 minutes before the game to even ask about the footballs, he makes it sound like the guy never goes to the field at all, saying he's still there when they all leave and lock the door?
Ed Hillel said:
That would be me. It was pre-SpyGate/ball preparation rule changes, but I remember it like it was yesterday. At first, I was happy to hear Baltz' tall tales (he even gave me his non-NFL business card), but I quickly felt like it was a little odd for an on-field official to be running his mouth like that. He hated Head of Officials (at the time) Jerry Seeman. Thought it was really crass for him to be shit-talking his superior in a high visibility profession to a complete stranger.
In short: he is completely and utterly full of shit.
He was not aware of my "allegiance" (to the Patriots or SoSH!), but he did say one thing that I found interesting. Since during games he was positioned along the sideline, I asked him which head coach had the best command of his team and the sideline, in terms of control, organization, game management, etc. He said, "'Belichick, and it isn't really even close."
Dick Pole Upside said:
That's a crazy story and one I wasn't aware of. I thought EdH was goofing on me a little bit but, obviously, I was wrong. Sorry.
Has anyone interviewed Leavy recently about what he told the investigators for the Wells report? I can't find anything via google
Florio with a bit of a shit stirring post on why #Headsetgate hasn't become a thing like #DFG did:
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/09/20/whatever-happened-to-headsetgate/
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/09/20/whatever-happened-to-headsetgate/
I didn't read it as shit stirring necessarily, just pointing out that the NFL has completely shot any credibility they had no matter what they do now.Van Everyman said:
I read it as him trying to toe the line enough that he can maximize his page hits.
Deflategate pageviews must be a hard drug to wean yourself off of.
Deflategate pageviews must be a hard drug to wean yourself off of.
The NFL is almost in a no-win situation. If they were to investigate this, it would look like spiteful piling on the Pats after #DFG. And the rightful question to ask given all the reports of faulty communications league-wide would be: How many other investigations have you carried out on this issue?GeorgeCostanza said:
The easier route is to punt and hope its gets forgotten and not repeated in Foxboro.
Please let the communications be disrupted in Foxboro next week. I want dozens of simultaneous investigations.
Joon Lee @iamjoonlee 1h1 hour ago
My feature on how Judge Richard Berman decided #DeflateGate, his reaction for @CornellSun. https://medium.com/full-court-press-cornell-daily-sun/how-richard-berman-64-decided-deflategate-ebc1a11a35cf … pic.twitter.com/Dj6usFskev
My feature on how Judge Richard Berman decided #DeflateGate, his reaction for @CornellSun. https://medium.com/full-court-press-cornell-daily-sun/how-richard-berman-64-decided-deflategate-ebc1a11a35cf … pic.twitter.com/Dj6usFskev
ProFootballTalk @ProFootballTalk 28m28 minutes ago
At first, Judge Berman didn't know what "the Brady case" was http://wp.me/p14QSB-9Rjo
At first, Judge Berman didn't know what "the Brady case" was http://wp.me/p14QSB-9Rjo
So apparently, the blaring train noise while the Patriots were at the line is not only a violation of league rules about PA usage when the visiting team has the ball, but there was a memo sent last month about exactly that. Florio is on it.
With precedents set around the Falcons and stadium noise (5th round pick) and Spygate with a recent circulated memo about the rule, what do we think the penalty should be here? Is there any doubt it would be front page ESPN news if the teams were reversed?
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/09/21/bills-may-have-gone-too-far-with-pre-play-stadium-sounds/
With precedents set around the Falcons and stadium noise (5th round pick) and Spygate with a recent circulated memo about the rule, what do we think the penalty should be here? Is there any doubt it would be front page ESPN news if the teams were reversed?
We all know the league isn't going to do anything about the horn or punish the Bills in any way. And we also know what the reaction would be if the roles had been reversed.
Time to accept it and move on. Teams are going to be able to pull this shit against the Pats with impunity because the league has rendered the Pats unable to lodge complaints due to the league's vendetta against the club.
Time to accept it and move on. Teams are going to be able to pull this shit against the Pats with impunity because the league has rendered the Pats unable to lodge complaints due to the league's vendetta against the club.
Wait, why can't they lodge a complaint? It would be interesting to see the response, and they might be wise to build precedent (more precedent) of disparate treatment.
BroodsSexton said:
Of course they CAN lodge a complaint. But since the league has been on a 9 month mission to denigrate, tarnish, railroad, and otherwise screw over the franchise in any way possible, there's really no point to the team doing so. The complaint won't be considered at all and the act of lodging one will merely engineers more LOL CHEATERZ hottakes from the usual media suspects.
The league has put the Patriots into a no-win situation in these circumstances. Hell, I fully expect the Colts to have noise pumped into their dome, Falcons-style, for the upcoming Pats game there because there's zero chance the league would punish them for doing so due to the opponent.
I sort of disagree in the sense that Goodell will 100% tilt in whatever direction sentiment blows and the hottakemachine could certainly backlash into "does the NFL really care about the integrity of the game?". I think that's particularly for guys like Florio who have come to believe they were sold a bit of a bill of goods by Goodell. If that narrative ever picks up steam Rog will do a Rog thing and lash out blindly at someone. Im hoping some day that leads to a housecleaning in the league office, but maybe Im just a hopeless optimist.