The NFL isn't in the sports business anymore; it's in the television broadcasting business, and business is a-boomin'. Each drip-drop of this story, it's all just another episode from this ongoing cliffhanger, one more turn in the plot until the exciting season finale on Sunday. Will Walt have to pay for his crimes? Will Hawkeye and Pierce make it home? Will Tony and his family escape the diner? Will Ross and Rachel ever find love? Tune in on Sunday.
It doesn't matter what you think about any of this. It only matters that you watch. And you will. I will. They will. We all will.
That's why I said it wouldn't have an effect on the ball. Just bringing some science to the thread for the hell of it. If the plant engineer shows up, I'll have him do some homework on this national nightmare.I'm glad your going to check this, but a second's thought should convince you that most buildings cannot withstand much pressure differential at all. I'll bet large sums the difference is miniscule.
EDIT: The weakest link would be the windows of course, just as windows are the first things blown out by the pressure differential induced by tornadoes
Gagliano said:That's why I said it wouldn't have an effect on the ball. Just bringing some science to the thread for the hell of it. If the plant engineer shows up, I'll have him do some homework on this national nightmare.
You mean, a guy who shows up to a cold, empty stadium several hours before the game, and runs around its concrete tunnels doing menial tasks, might stop to have...A CUP OF COFFEE??collardio said:Maybe dude has a little ritual of his own where he has a cup of coffee sometime before the game, and more often than not he ends up needing to take a leak before going out to the sidelines?
It's not at all difficult to intentionally (or unintentionally) create negative (or positive) pressure in a room, relative to another room or the outside air.C4CRVT said:Even if the building was incredibly well sealed and had designed pressurization system, wouldn't the air pressure indoors equalize virtually instantaneously with the doors opening constantly on game day? I would think so.
njnesportsfan said:Could this be some kind of Machiavellian power play orchestrated by some character like Senator Palpatine? Using the Star Wars analogy, Goodell was Chancellor Valorum (though that is a quite generous analogy). Kraft was Queen Amidala. Valorum was paralyzed to assist Amidala and she motioned to replace Valorum (vote of no confidence). Senator Palpatine (whoever that was) was elected to be the new Commissioner and was much worse than Goodell...
Agreed. Moved the Peter King stuff to...the Peter King thread.Marbleheader said:Guys, this thread is unwieldy enough without dumping in stuff that has nothing to do with the topic.
A clean room is recommended to be 12-14 Pa above ambient (or approximately 0.002 PSI).Gagliano said:That's why I said it wouldn't have an effect on the ball. Just bringing some science to the thread for the hell of it. If the plant engineer shows up, I'll have him do some homework on this national nightmare.
“But I watched a guy run a route at 14-and-a-half yards and not 15, and get scolded and get reamed and screamed at,” Clark went on. “I watched guys line up in the wrong place and Tom go nuts because [the guy] wasn’t where he was supposed to be. I saw after practice, where everybody ran together, everybody stretched together in a circle – grown men, that Bill Belichick had this much power and this much control over.
“So you mean to tell me those two people — that won’t let you run a route at 14-and-a-half yards if it’s 15, that won’t let you stretch by yourself, that won’t let you condition by yourself after practice — are gonna let a ballboy – not the head equipment guy, a ballboy – stick pins and needles in balls and deflate em? I don’t buy it.”
jimbobim said:Kraft talking with Willie on NFL network
Where the Colts would have supplied the Ball Attendant.Sources earlier this season told ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter that the Colts had concerns about underinflated balls after their regular-season game against the visiting Patriots on Nov. 16.
Right!garzooma said:It's worth noting that per Mortenson, the Colts noticed underinflated footballs at the Nov. 16.th game in Indianapolis.
Where the Colts would have supplied the Ball Attendant.
Holy crap, I was just about to jump on you for coming in on page 216 with info ("Colts suspected under-inflation on Nov. 16") that's been common knowledge since, let's say, page 2.garzooma said:It's worth noting that per Mortenson, the Colts noticed underinflated footballs at the Nov. 16.th game in Indianapolis.
Where the Colts would have supplied the Ball Attendant.
Phenomenal, love the closing line:Don Buddin's GS said:Will Leitch at Sports on Earth says this whole thing is designed to drive TV viewership:
http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/107589688/deflate-gate-nfl-bill-belichick-roger-goodell
I keep banging my head against the wall about this, but I'm the fool. Because none of this is for me, or for you, or for anyone else who cares about sports. The NFL isn't in the sports business anymore; it's in the television broadcasting business, and business is a-boomin'. Each drip-drop of this story, it's all just another episode from this ongoing cliffhanger, one more turn in the plot until the exciting season finale on Sunday. Will Walt have to pay for his crimes? Will Hawkeye and Pierce make it home? Will Tony and his family escape the diner? Will Ross and Rachel ever find love? Tune in on Sunday.
It doesn't matter what you think about any of this. It only matters that you watch. And you will. I will. They will. We all will.
garzooma said:It's worth noting that per Mortenson, the Colts noticed underinflated footballs at the Nov. 16.th game in Indianapolis.
Where the Colts would have supplied the Ball Attendant.
garzooma said:It's worth noting that per Mortenson, the Colts noticed underinflated footballs at the Nov. 16.th game in Indianapolis.
Where the Colts would have supplied the Ball Attendant.
kartvelo said:OK, a sidetrack to more important things for a moment... where can I buy a pom-pom hat that looks just like the one Brady wore in his "This isn't ISIS" press conference?
The problem, for the NFL, is that short term gain can be long term detriment. If you allow the whiff of pro wrestling lack of seriousness to become firmly associated with your sport, does that eventually cause indifference toward your product in part of the viewing public that was a large part of your customer base? I'm not saying that's definitely the case but if I were an NFL executive I wouldn't be casually certain that this farce is unalloyed benefit.DukeSox said:
The NFL isn't in the sports business anymore; it's in the television broadcasting business, and business is a-boomin'. Each drip-drop of this story, it's all just another episode from this ongoing cliffhanger, one more turn in the plot until the exciting season finale on Sunday. Will Walt have to pay for his crimes? Will Hawkeye and Pierce make it home? Will Tony and his family escape the diner? Will Ross and Rachel ever find love? Tune in on Sunday.
It doesn't matter what you think about any of this. It only matters that you watch. And you will. I will. They will. We all will.
Don't insult Burton like thatslowstrung said:I've read almost the entire thread and this is one of the few parts that isn't hilarious. What assholes.
Also, why the fuck does this country rely on NDT and fucking Bill Nye as the voices of the scientific community. Let's just bring out Levar Burton for a Reading Rainbow special on the NFL rulebook already.
Darren Rovell was on DC sports radio this morning. He said the NFL gets not a penny if the ratings are goosed. And because the ratings are always so high for the SB, the NFL is never in the position, or close to it, or being on the hook for give-backs to advertisers.The problem, for the NFL, is that short term gain can be long term detriment. If you allow the whiff of pro wrestling lack of seriousness to become firmly associated with your sport, does that eventually cause indifference toward your product in part of the viewing public that was a large part of your customer base? I'm not saying that's definitely the case but if I were an NFL executive I wouldn't be casually certain that this farce is unalloyed benefit.
Agreed. DeJesus made Will's point (and did it well) that all this is whole mess is basically an ad to watch the game. And sure, plenty of people like to slow down and look at the bodies of the car wreck in the highway but what you have left is essentially a freak show with not much credibility. Would other sports drag one of their key franchises and star players through the mud like this with leaks and innuendo? We know the answer to that, they don't.Rough Carrigan said:The problem, for the NFL, is that short term gain can be long term detriment. If you allow the whiff of pro wrestling lack of seriousness to become firmly associated with your sport, does that eventually cause indifference toward your product in part of the viewing public that was a large part of your customer base? I'm not saying that's definitely the case but if I were an NFL executive I wouldn't be casually certain that this farce is unalloyed benefit.
Talk to your engineers to confirm, but I'm pretty sure that's technically right but completely negligible:Gagliano said:Actually, modern HVAC systems manipulate the interior air pressure for various reasons (keeping dry air out, moist air out of walls, making a positive pressure for smokestacks and exhausts in factories....). It's unlikely that it had much of an effect on the footballs, but in any building with a climate controlled interior, it will be common to feel a whoosh of air going either in or out when opening a door to the exterior. Even years ago before computer controlled systems, elaborate ductworks and dampers were designed to control the interior pressure.
I'm in a factory right now, and if I see the plant engineer I'll see what the static pressure is. I know it's positive, but not by how much.
Rough Carrigan said:The problem, for the NFL, is that short term gain can be long term detriment. If you allow the whiff of pro wrestling lack of seriousness to become firmly associated with your sport, does that eventually cause indifference toward your product in part of the viewing public that was a large part of your customer base? I'm not saying that's definitely the case but if I were an NFL executive I wouldn't be casually certain that this farce is unalloyed benefit.
Sadly, I beg to differ. MLB didn't drag franchises but star players through the mud in an asinine public relations show of newfound seriousness about the satanic scourge of PED's.ifmanis5 said:Agreed. DeJesus made Will's point (and did it well) that all this is whole mess is basically an ad to watch the game. And sure, plenty of people like to slow down and look at the bodies of the car wreck in the highway but what you have left is essentially a freak show with not much credibility. Would other sports drag one of their key franchises and star players through the mud like this with leaks and innuendo? We know the answer to that, they don't.
Yep; alternatively, 1 PSI = 6895 Pa. Even the clean room is basically zero on the scales we're talking about. I think big skyscrapers go higher than that, but still nowhere near enough to have a measurable impact on the ball.One Leg at a Time said:A clean room is recommended to be 12-14 Pa above ambient (or approximately 0.002 PSI).
Overpressure for a factory will be significantly less (IIRC Pharma uses ~5 Pa for standard manufacturing areas). Definitely not enough to affect gauge pressure in the footballs.
scotian1 said:Lynch making a complete mockery of this media day with a big smile even.
DennyDoyle'sBoil said:A couple of small points. First, at the NFL experience, they are selling lots of different Wilson balls, some of which purport to be official game balls and some of which are commemorative balls. The latter are clearly not marketed as game balls, but they are full size Wilson balls with like the team names or Arizona themed stuff on them and they cost a bunch -- like $80 to $100. Interestingly, the following appears above the valve: "Inflate to 7 to 9 psi".
Anyway, I'll be conducting some experiments tonight. I plan to take a ball and fill it to exactly 12.5 psi in a 70 degree environment. I then will put it in a 45 degree environment for 1 hour and 30 minutes, at which point I will measure the psi. I will then put it in the 70 degree environment and continue to take measurements every 2 minutes. If anyone wants to add to the experiment, please let me know.
I know that there already are a ton things on the web already doing similar stuff, but I want to do it myself and see what happens.
SumnerH said:
Try it dry first and then wet to see if there's a difference (go 70F to 45F both dry, measure, then bring back to 70F and measure, then wet down the ball and wrap in a damp towel down to 45F for 90 minutes and see if the dampness makes a difference).
If you know an auto mechanic or are friendly with a local Autozone or something, you might be able to bring the football there and use a pressure transducer that connects to a Fluke meter, or something similar. They use stuff like that for vacuum checks and what not.A couple of small points. First, at the NFL experience, they are selling lots of different Wilson balls, some of which purport to be official game balls and some of which are commemorative balls. The latter are clearly not marketed as game balls, but they are full size Wilson balls with like the team names or Arizona themed stuff on them and they cost a bunch -- like $80 to $100. Interestingly, the following appears above the valve: "Inflate to 7 to 9 psi".
Anyway, I'll be conducting some experiments tonight. I plan to take a ball and fill it to exactly 12.5 psi in a 70 degree environment. I then will put it in a 45 degree environment for 1 hour and 30 minutes, at which point I will measure the psi. I will then put it in the 70 degree environment and continue to take measurements every 2 minutes. If anyone wants to add to the experiment, please let me know.
I know that there already are a ton things on the web already doing similar stuff, but I want to do it myself and see what happens.
And no militant feminists asking about domestic violence at the Super Bowl.DukeSox said:It doesn't matter what you think about any of this. It only matters that you watch. And you will. I will. They will. We all will.[background=#ffffff]The NFL isn't in the sports business anymore; it's in the television broadcasting business, and business is a-boomin'. Each drip-drop of this story, it's all just another episode from this ongoing cliffhanger, one more turn in the plot until the exciting season finale on Sunday. Will Walt have to pay for his crimes? Will Hawkeye and Pierce make it home? Will Tony and his family escape the diner? Will Ross and Rachel ever find love? Tune in on Sunday.[/size][/background]
Of course not. Again, this isn't a clean room environment with precision instruments. The refs grab the footballs, check the seams and stitches, say "Yup, them's footballs," and move on.mwonow said:Apologies if I missed this on the way through, but - what's the variance on the gauges themselves? I know glucometers have a pretty wide tolerance range, and their readings are more important at a granular level than a pressure gauge. If the same ball is tested with multiple gauges, do they all read the same?