#DFG: Canceling the Noise
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Twitter is telling me that the manager for the social media of the NFL is a Jets fan. Trolling at its finest.
The entire league office are either jets fans or ex-Jet employees. I'm sure there's no sour grapes at all involved and that everything is being done with an eye towards fairness.CantKeepmedown said:
I prefer:Dick Pole Upside said:
Self-serving
Haphazard
Inconsistent
Egotistical
Liar
Duplicitous
Self-serving
Haphazard
Inconsistent
Tyrant
Walpole Joe's Neighbor said:
I wanted to post this when I first saw Kraft's statements to King, but I couldn't get around to doing so. I did find that his statements were non-denial denials.
As opposed to soft and inconclusive? That's not a categorical belief in what Brady is saying.
Again, he doesn't say that we were innocent. He's complaining that they didn't have enough evidence which is subtly but pivotally different.
I still believe we got hosed. But I do believe that something happened to the balls.
Eddie Jurak said:
Self-serving
Haphazard
Inconsistent
Tyrannical
Hysterical
Egomaniacal
Error-prone
Liar
joe dokes said:
Not to pick nits here, but I think the bolded parts deserve a little more focus than you've provided.
First off, "he couldn't change the feelings of most of Patriots fans with anything other than a scorched earth approach" isn't necessarily as true as you believe. For one thing, maybe there are only 15 more of us, but I would have felt better about a statement along the lines of the one GF proposed. And secondly, I'm guessing that many more than 17 Pats fans had their feelings changed by the actual course/statement Kraft chose. Sure, those feelings changed *negatively*, but they certainly changed.
Re: "*least* aggressive out" - is this a synonym for "craven acquiescence"? 'Cause my thesaurus doesn't seem to be making the link.
The temperature on the day of the AFC divisional playoff with the Ravens (10-Jan-2015) made it the coldest game at Gillette in 5 years. According to Weather Underground data for that day, the temperature at kickoff was ~20F, and fell below 15F by the end of the game. Needless to say, both the Pats & Ravens balls most definitely would have fallen far below the minimum 12.5 PSI in such conditions.Marciano490 said:
http://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/KOWD/2015/1/10/DailyHistory.html?req_city=Foxboro&req_state=MA&req_statename=Massachusetts&reqdb.zip=02035&reqdb.magic=1&reqdb.wmo=99999&MR=1
Since Harbaugh is no atmospheric scientist, he undoubtedly assumed his team's K-balls and Tom Brady's footballs felt soft because of the Pats' chicanery, not because of the extreme cold. Harbaugh was willing to grit his teeth and keep quiet about it until he hears Tom Brady call him out for his ignorance of the rule book. Harbaugh then channels his butthurt by passing along his concerns about the football inflation to Pagano/Grigson, who emails the league, and away we went...
That's my theory for how all this started. Grigson's claim that it was "well known" that the Pats illegally deflate their balls prior to the game was likely a deliberate exaggeration to convince the league to take action. I don't recall any other past or current coaches/GMs/etc. that confirmed hearing the same such rumor since the story broke.
Is Colin Cowherd trying to help TB12? Had two of his buddies--Jay Feely and Bruschi--on today, in different hours, voicing support.
Feely: "I was all over the ball boys to get my balls right, even though they only had 15 minutes to prepare the K balls...And I tipped them every week."
Cowherd: "Isn't it possible that Tom, who's hypercompetitive, rode those ball boys mercilessly, pressuring them to get the balls close to the line?"
My sentiments exactly.
Feely: "I was all over the ball boys to get my balls right, even though they only had 15 minutes to prepare the K balls...And I tipped them every week."
Cowherd: "Isn't it possible that Tom, who's hypercompetitive, rode those ball boys mercilessly, pressuring them to get the balls close to the line?"
My sentiments exactly.
These are about as strong statements of trust as one human being makes regarding another. "Hard or conclusive" is relevant because Kraft's statement implies that in anything short of that, he's going to trust Brady's word, because "I trust him. I believed what he told me. He has never lied to me." How much more unambiguous can he possibly get?Nick Kaufman said:
Similarly, with respect to the "aroma" thing, Kraft's expectation from the beginning was that, minus hard evidence, the Patriots would be exonerated. He's frustrated that the NFL found no conclusive evidence but still levied the heaviest penalties ever against the team - sort of like a lot of people here are.
Thank God none of us are public figures that have every word and tense choice dissected.
I know it isn't going to make anybody feel any better, but Kraft didn't admit any wrongdoing, or apologize, or say he thought the punishment was fair. He didn't back off anything from wellsreportcontext.com or apologize for airing dirty laundry there (and that site is still up, in fact, as of now). He said he wanted to end the rhetoric, so he ended the rhetoric.mwonow said:
Funny ‘ha, ha!’ or funny in that the Patriots got railroaded and then lost 1st & 4th round draft picks, $1 million dollars, and got a four game suspension for its starting quarterback?drbretto said:
Honestly, it’s anything but funny.
We should go 0-16 this year.
We lose the #1 over all but get the 33rd pick (actually 32nd Player)....about where we pick every year any friggin way .
Then in '17 We win it all and turn the 4th into basically the 1st pick of the 5th!
Suck it goodell.
Welcome to my fantasy!
Sucks that we gave up the fight but there had to be a reason. I dont find it strange that BEFORE the owners meetings war drums played. After the meetings started and the gutless petty owners cut RKs Achilles out from under him that he issued the Back down.
I just wished he had word smithed it more. No admission of guilt....vaguely mentioning the "office of the commissioner" instead of the person himself. A message can be sent alot of ways.
We lose the #1 over all but get the 33rd pick (actually 32nd Player)....about where we pick every year any friggin way .
Then in '17 We win it all and turn the 4th into basically the 1st pick of the 5th!
Suck it goodell.
Welcome to my fantasy!
Sucks that we gave up the fight but there had to be a reason. I dont find it strange that BEFORE the owners meetings war drums played. After the meetings started and the gutless petty owners cut RKs Achilles out from under him that he issued the Back down.
I just wished he had word smithed it more. No admission of guilt....vaguely mentioning the "office of the commissioner" instead of the person himself. A message can be sent alot of ways.
If it was a troll job, well done. It is football. I hate the punishment, believe it is unwarranted, but you gotta laugh at a job well done.nolasoxfan said:
nolasoxfan said:
Funny 'ha, ha!'.
Honestly, if you think it's anything but hilarious, you've already accepted the adversary's premise.
nolasoxfan said:
Funny ha ha. Because it's a joke. We're the butt of the joke, but it's just a joke. If it makes you feel better, the guy that wrote it is probably in for a good tongue lashing. Your suffering will not be in vain.
nolasoxfan said:
Definitely "funny haha".
The NFL made a mountain out of a molehill, the Patriots are once again the whipping boy for the NFL office, and the Patriots still won the fucking SuperBowl.
Onto the new season!
This is a good rep. of the stupidity found everywhere:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXV1yYyp188
Talks about how Goodell has restored his "credibility" and how he answered the criticism of having too much power by "delegating" to Vincent. Yes, except it was breaking the rules but hey, who's sweating the small stuff, eh?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXV1yYyp188
Talks about how Goodell has restored his "credibility" and how he answered the criticism of having too much power by "delegating" to Vincent. Yes, except it was breaking the rules but hey, who's sweating the small stuff, eh?
DrewDawg said:
Bear in mind that this is the league that instructed Henderson not to act on Doty's decision in the Rice case because they were going to appeal the decision in the Eight Circuit and yet hasn't actually filed an appeal, effectively defying federal court and getting Henderson to listen to them and not, like, the courts.
I'm beginning to think that Goodell isn't delusional at all--it's we who don't understand that he really can do whatever he wants.
Stitch01 said:
Pats fans' fun never ends. And it's both exhausting and exhilarating at the same time.
No he didn't. He changed the rhetoric. To characterize one's previous statements as "rhetoric" is to demote their truth-value, and is itself a rhetorical tactic. To characterize a fanbase as one of two "polarizing audiences" so that you can then portray yourself as a force of equanimity, is a form of rhetoric. To wax poetic about the "partnership of 32 teams" being "the heart and soul of the strength of the NFL" is rhetoric.Super Nomario said:
In toto, Kraft's statement does disown any claims as to the merits of his previous objections, and disassociates from them, locating them either in the past or in his polarizing fanbase. Of course this disassociation is not made explicit, but it's there, manifest in the way he constructs his declaration.
I don't think we need to crucify him for this, but I think it's fair to observe that there were other rhetorical avenues he could have taken while accepting the discipline..
54thMA said:
Alright, guys.
Berry may be trolling a little in this forum, but he's also right. It's time that posts like this stop.
This forum has been allowed to unravel over the last several months because of (A) SuperBowl hangover and (B) the deflate gate nonsense. With Kraft's statement, it has now been a few days since the resolution of deflategate (aside from Brady's appeal). If you want to continue banging you head against the wall regarding PSI, Goodell, Kraft, etc, please do so in an educated manner. If you're going to make throwaway comments, at least make them funny. We're never above a good one-liner.
The "woe is me", jilted lover phase of this story has run its course. We don't need anymore posts declaring that "the Patriots really were wronged!", "Bob Kraft is a pussy!", "They ignored the actual science!", or any of the recycled defense mechanisms people have started to create as their go-to responses. It's well documented how Patriot fans feel about this whole saga.
Normally I wouldn't create an entire new thread for something like this, but the bullshit has bled over into at least 6 other threads. You've all done a brilliant job over the last few years of making this a one-stop shop for all things Patriots. I know quite a few people that only head to BbtL when looking up Patriots information. Let's not undermine that now.
*I'll be actively culling shitty posts from threads going forward. The qualifications of a shitty post are completely subjective to me and my whims, which makes removing posts super fun for me and super frustrating for you. Frustrating you makes it even more super fun for me.*
I'll leave this topic open for a bit so people can tell me how much of a dildo I am, how I'm taking this forum too seriously (while simultaneously throwing a conniption about grown men fighting over air in a football), to question why their post was hidden/deleted, and as a catch-all for garbage while we wind this phase down.
@MarkDanielsPJ
Don Shula would cut players "unless they took painkillers and returned to the field." Don't throw stones...
Former players: NFL teams 'conspired' to push painkillers: http://pro32.ap.org/article/former-players-nfl-teams-conspired-push-painkillers
Don Shula would cut players "unless they took painkillers and returned to the field." Don't throw stones...
Former players: NFL teams 'conspired' to push painkillers: http://pro32.ap.org/article/former-players-nfl-teams-conspired-push-painkillers
Yup. They do whatever they want because there are always people who, because they are fans, hate the victim of the NFL's abuse of power.. It's a perfect set up. The only player in this that doesn't give a shit who the accused is and what fans harbor grudges is the NFLPA. So, they are the vanguard, for better or worse.There is no Rev said:
Small point: The NFL has appealed Doty's ruling on the Henderson issue. The NFLPA's argument is the NFL should have sought a stay in the 8th Circuit pending the appeal, instead of self-help. Either way it's self-help, though a bit let eggregious than if they had never appealed at all and nevertheless ordered Henderson to stand down.
DennyDoyle'sBoil said:
Ah, I see my error--this is from the NFLPA contempt of court motion:
I wasn't able to find the NFL's appeal filing. I think my more general point stands, though, that Henderson is listening to the league and not the court, which is wild.
dcmissle said:
Fair question. It's possible that whoever the source was told another media person who told Borges. And in the past at least Borges has saved his contempt mostly for Belichick and the Patriots organization and not Tom Brady from what I've seen at least. And here he is praising Kraft for doing the right thing and to a certain degree Belichick - at least in the sense that he's saying he had no clue (unlike Felger at least who is a total clown).
Borges could also be flat out making it up but it's tough to dismiss it outright given how it syncs up with Kraft's backing down so completely as well as Belichick's performance in the presser vs. Brady's.
Having said all that I still think this is Harbaugh getting the ball rolling and the way the NFL handled it was bad for everyone involved and showed incredibly weak or even non-existent leadership on the part of RG. And because of that I hope the NFLPA puts every resource they have behind crushing the league on the appeal.
In your mind perhaps Kraft disowned his claims. Nothing in the King article states that Kraft thought the footballs were tampered with or that his previous objections were wrong.Bone for your jar said:
In fact, the statement released afterwards, which is the point of this thread (I think), suggests that Kraft still disagrees:
Walpole Joe's Neighbor said:
The Wells Report fingered only Brady and the Dorito Dinks. There's no place else for Borges to go (legitimately or not) with this story except after Brady at this point.
You're being too literal about what he meant by "rhetoric." Obviously he wasn't going to give his press conference in mime. He meant he wasn't going to talk about the merits of the Wells report, the associated punishments, whether the Patriots cheated or not, etc., anymore, and he basically didn't.Bone for your jar said:
I agree that he did "disown the claims to the merits of his previous objections," but he makes it clear why - because the objections didn't help anything. They weren't changing the minds of anyone. He's not disowning the truth of his previous objections, he's just acknowledging that it's pointless because at best he's preaching to the choir and at worst he's driving a wedge between the Patriots and the rest of the NFL.Bone for your jar said:
Other avenues? Sure. Better avenues? Maybe, maybe not.Bone for your jar said:
Right. And the NFLPA is probably right in this case that the NFL didn't seek a stay from CA8 because it was a very uphill battle. Rev's point was right. I was making a minor point that there actually is an appeal. It doesn't make the NFL's order to Henderson proper but it does mean Doty's ruling finding Henderson screwed up could still be reversed. The NFL's response will probably be yeah we didn't seek a stay but if Henderson goes ahead and issues a new ruling now, if Doty is reversed it would have been an unneeded expenditure and waste of time.joe dokes said:
That lawyer that we all loved last week is linking to that article we discussed about the text during the Green Bay game--the "deflate and give someone that jkt" text.
Interesting to note that even though we talked about it over and over, lots of these things don't get wide pub:
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I have no dog in this fight. But if this true, crows would become extinct bc they'd be all eaten: http://www.patspulpit.com/2015/5/14/8609329/what-is-this-deflate-that-you-speak-of … #Deflategate
Interesting to note that even though we talked about it over and over, lots of these things don't get wide pub:
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Stephanie Stradley@StephStradleyI have no dog in this fight. But if this true, crows would become extinct bc they'd be all eaten: http://www.patspulpit.com/2015/5/14/8609329/what-is-this-deflate-that-you-speak-of … #Deflategate
Very good Sally Jenkins article.
For me, the next 16 weeks is a legal preseason cliffhanger which will determine if TB starts the season, which I think is important in determining home field advantage, and thus the outcome of the season--Steelers, Bills, Cowboys are tough games.
For me, the next 16 weeks is a legal preseason cliffhanger which will determine if TB starts the season, which I think is important in determining home field advantage, and thus the outcome of the season--Steelers, Bills, Cowboys are tough games.
That is probably the best, most concise overview of this entire fiasco I've read. Jenkins hits it out of the park. And to my knowledge, she cannot in any way be shouted down as a Patriots honk by the Felgers of the world. If the parade of hot sportz take fucking idiots had a shred of reason or shame, they'd read that and reconsider their trolling. They of course possess neither, so that's not happening. But I have to believe this will come back to haunt Goodell. Particularly if he gets his head handed to him in court again. For all the grief Kraft is getting in some quarters, maybe keeping his powder dry is part of a longer game he's playing. One that involves Goodell hanging himself with his own rope. Wishful thinking perhaps. But I'm holding out hope for some eventual justice .