ESPN Is Pathetic

E5 Yaz

polka king
Lifetime Member
SoSH Member
Apr 25, 2002
90,684
Oregon
Proving once again that hockey players/teams have the best sense of humor. Can't imagine this kind of interplay among teams in any other sport
 

mabrowndog

Ask me about total zone...or paint
Lifetime Member
SoSH Member
Dec 23, 2003
39,676
Falmouth, MA
Just saw this notice at the bottom of an Olney article:
 
 Effective July 17, ESPN will be transitioning all conversations to Facebook comments. At that time a Facebook account will be required to post comments on new articles. Previous comments and conversations will be closed to comment but can still be viewed.
 
Because Facebook doesn't already suck enough.
 

Tartan

New Member
Aug 20, 2008
361
MA
Yep. It won't stop true fuckwads from shitting on their keyboards and hitting the submit button, but it might cut back on the volume.
 

Section30

Member
SoSH Member
Aug 2, 2010
1,261
Portland OR
Why I won't comment via Facebook:
 
http://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2013/06/23/facebook-issues-data-breach-notification-may-have-leaked-your-email-and-phone-number/
 
 
I was one of the 6 million people who had their personal information given to spammers via the "year long data breach"
 
http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2013/06/21/facebook-security-lapse-exposed-information-on-6-million-users/
 
 
Don't get me started on all of the security issues involved with the Apps that are "approved for use" by Facebook
 

Blacken

Robespierre in a Cape
SoSH Member
Jul 24, 2007
12,152
Stevie1der said:
I somewhat support this, just because any time people are forced to comment under their own name is a blow to the Greater Internet Fuckwad Theory.
It doesn't really change a thing, as anyone who's ever had the misfortune at looking at ye olde cracked-out right-wing blogs can attest.
 
 
 
Section30 said:
Umm. You realize that's a PII bug unrelated to comments, yes...? It's a graph permissions problem, which isn't good but you're completely misunderstanding what it actually involves. Your "my email was given to spammers!!1" is pretty nonsensical, too, unless you're friending a bunch of spammers; the bugged implementation of DYI doesn't expose non-privileged graph information to non-friends (I don't think even people you follow can pull it).
 
Section30 said:
Don't get me started on all of the security issues involved with the Apps that are "approved for use" by Facebook
Use less shitty apps. Evaluate them and don't go "hey, I want those screensavers!!1". I mean...you've got a brain, don't you?
 

seageral

New Member
Aug 2, 2010
1,269
not sure where to put this but enjoyed the first two points Reiss makes here laying the smack on King and Polian.
 
http://espn.go.com/boston/nfl/story/_/page/reissmailbagweek0716/new-england-patriots-mailbag-rising-rough-offseason
 
Commentary and analysis has come from all angles, and I wanted to lead off this week's mailbag by challenging two things that caught the eye.
A Pioli presence is needed. Scott Pioli did a super job in his role as vice president of Player Personnel (2000-2008), and one line of thinking is that since he has left the organization there isn't anyone to challenge Belichick on personnel decisions. The idea is that perhaps if Pioli was with the Patriots, maybe the selections of Aaron Hernandez and Alfonzo Dennardaren't made because he was willing to question Belichick. Pioli and Belichick seemed to have a great working rapport, but it's not like Pioli himself didn't run into some "character" type problems in Kansas City (e.g. murder-suicide of Jovan Belcher). That dynamic shouldn't be overlooked when this topic is discussed.
Polian had Hernandez off the board. Former Colts president Bill Polian said in his current role as a media analyst that Indianapolis had taken Hernandez off its draft board, and as was later learned, it wasn't the only team. While Polian has proven to be excellent in his role as a football analyst, it also should be noted that when he was running the football operation in Carolina he selected receiver Rae Carruth in the first round. Carruth was later convicted of conspiracy of murder, which shows that while Polian might have made the correct decision on Hernandez, he didn't carry a 1,000 batting average over the years.
 

Section30

Member
SoSH Member
Aug 2, 2010
1,261
Portland OR
Blacken said:
Umm. You realize that's a PII bug unrelated to comments, yes...? It's a graph permissions problem, which isn't good but you're completely misunderstanding what it actually involves. Your "my email was given to spammers!!1" is pretty nonsensical, too, unless you're friending a bunch of spammers; the bugged implementation of DYI doesn't expose non-privileged graph information to non-friends (I don't think even people you follow can pull it).
I started receiving phishing emails purportedly from members of my "friends list". My friends reported that contacts in their friend lists were also targeted. We also found that other people we knew from school were getting friend requests from people posing as us under variations on our names such as an added middle initial.
We worked out that one friend had accepted a person posing as someone she knew from school. This was in 2011.
 

Nator

Member
SoSH Member
seageral said:
not sure where to put this but enjoyed the first two points Reiss makes here laying the smack on King and Polian.
 
http://espn.go.com/boston/nfl/story/_/page/reissmailbagweek0716/new-england-patriots-mailbag-rising-rough-offseason
 
Commentary and analysis has come from all angles, and I wanted to lead off this week's mailbag by challenging two things that caught the eye.
A Pioli presence is needed. Scott Pioli did a super job in his role as vice president of Player Personnel (2000-2008), and one line of thinking is that since he has left the organization there isn't anyone to challenge Belichick on personnel decisions. The idea is that perhaps if Pioli was with the Patriots, maybe the selections of Aaron Hernandez and Alfonzo Dennardaren't made because he was willing to question Belichick. Pioli and Belichick seemed to have a great working rapport, but it's not like Pioli himself didn't run into some "character" type problems in Kansas City (e.g. murder-suicide of Jovan Belcher). That dynamic shouldn't be overlooked when this topic is discussed.
Polian had Hernandez off the board. Former Colts president Bill Polian said in his current role as a media analyst that Indianapolis had taken Hernandez off its draft board, and as was later learned, it wasn't the only team. While Polian has proven to be excellent in his role as a football analyst, it also should be noted that when he was running the football operation in Carolina he selected receiver Rae Carruth in the first round. Carruth was later convicted of conspiracy of murder, which shows that while Polian might have made the correct decision on Hernandez, he didn't carry a 1,000 batting average over the years.
 
Mike Reiss. Refuting ESPN Hype with facts and data. He won't be around long.
 

Blacken

Robespierre in a Cape
SoSH Member
Jul 24, 2007
12,152
Section30 said:
I started receiving phishing emails purportedly from members of my "friends list". My friends reported that contacts in their friend lists were also targeted. We also found that other people we knew from school were getting friend requests from people posing as us under variations on our names such as an added middle initial.
We worked out that one friend had accepted a person posing as someone she knew from school. This was in 2011.
Still doesn't have anything to do with Facebook commenting or with DYI. So unless your point was just to bitch about Facebook, I'm not seeing it.
 

JimBoSox9

will you be my friend?
SoSH Member
Nov 1, 2005
16,677
Mid-surburbia
It took Grantland's incessant footnotes and a question in the recent Lipsyte chat for this to occur to me, but maybe someone can unwind me on a question I can't answer.  When ESPN reports on news stories (i.e. NCAA conference realignment) that include information about television contracts, why don't they have to disclose when one of those contracts is with ESPN?  It should be mentioned every time, right?  Keep in mind when responding that ESPN believes that they hold themselves to standard journalism guidelines in their news division.
 

Hambone

will post for drinks
SoSH Member
Jul 15, 2005
2,822
I yearn for the days that Sunday night's plays of the week could be up to 3 minutes long based on what happened in a given week. I don't know if I blame them more or society as this was just shared on facebook. I mean can you fault them for things that work? I just don't understand how no one can compete.
 
ESPN

The cast of The Sandlot reunited...ON THE SANDLOT! 
 
 
 
 

ifmanis5

Member
SoSH Member
Sep 29, 2007
64,041
Rotten Apple
JimBoSox9 said:
It took Grantland's incessant footnotes and a question in the recent Lipsyte chat for this to occur to me, but maybe someone can unwind me on a question I can't answer.  When ESPN reports on news stories (i.e. NCAA conference realignment) that include information about television contracts, why don't they have to disclose when one of those contracts is with ESPN?  It should be mentioned every time, right?  Keep in mind when responding that ESPN believes that they hold themselves to standard journalism guidelines in their news division.
Because they're not legally obliged to do so. They must, however, disclose that they are a Disney owned company when discussing (i.e. shilling for) properties that are also owned by Disney.
 

kenneycb

Hates Goose Island Beer; Loves Backdoor Play
SoSH Member
Dec 2, 2006
16,161
Tuukka's refugee camp
Hambone said:
I yearn for the days that Sunday night's plays of the week could be up to 3 minutes long based on what happened in a given week. I don't know if I blame them more or society as this was just shared on facebook. I mean can you fault them for things that work? I just don't understand how no one can compete.
 
ESPN


The cast of The Sandlot reunited...ON THE SANDLOT! 
 
 
 
Blame the Internet. Everyone gas already seen them.
 

mt8thsw9th

anti-SoSHal
SoSH Member
Jul 17, 2005
17,121
Brooklyn
Pats runners tear it up, 1 and 2 QBs do alright, and the headline on ESPN's recap is about Tebow, without noting how shitty he was. I can't say I'm shocked.
 

Granite Sox

Member
SoSH Member
Feb 6, 2003
5,069
The Granite State
So ESPN won't cover what was supposedly a pretty good altercation, but SI will:

http://nfl.si.com/2013/08/13/hugh-douglas-espn/?sct=hp_t2_a4&eref=sihp

Originally reported by Deadspin, I believe.

I saw Douglas here and there, and thought he was basically a Warren Sapp wannabe... Big mouth, talked tough, but couldn't back up his yapping with any consistent logic. He had some very jealous and somewhat petty things to say about Donovan McNabb last week.
 

dirtynine

Member
SoSH Member
Dec 17, 2002
8,435
Philly
Good article in the Atlantic about ESPN's recent, intentional content strategy (i.e., emphasize live sports and salacious story lines). 
 
 
One of the loudest criticisms of ESPN is that its aggressively mainstream approach creates a sycophantic celebrity culture built around the biggest stars and juiciest plots, from the agonies of the L.A. Lakers, to the scandals of Tiger Woods, to the postmodern dramedy of Tim Tebow. But according to Elberse, the company’s superstar culture is the best strategy for a fat-headed world.
 
“It’s not different from People realizing that there are only five celebrities who really sell [magazines], so why put anyone else on the cover?” she said. “It’s Hollywood making more movies with Marvel characters. It reduced the risk, and it works.” The company’s core strengths stem from a superstar-first approach to sports news. Essentially, ESPN is in the business of building athletes into superheroes, because, like Walt Disney Pictures, it is in the business of building blockbusters.
 

Darnell's Son

He's a machine.
Moderator
Lifetime Member
SoSH Member
Apr 23, 2010
9,608
Providence, RI
The Social Chair said:
http://www.thebiglead.com/index.php/2013/08/15/jason-whitlock-to-bill-simmons-im-going-to-be-doing-a-black-grantland-at-espn/
 
ESPN giving a voice to young black sports writers is good thing. Putting Whitlock in charge? Not so much.
I'm going to take a shot in the dark and guess you didn't listen to the podcast. I can't stand Whitlock"s writing when he takes the unnecessary race slant, but he speaks totally differently in interviews. He sounded genuinely sad that there weren't more young black sports writers. He's trying to change that and it should be applauded.

The ESPN hatred in this thread has become downright silly. I rarely watch ESPN, but this thread has become a place for people who rage over when the company covers a team from LA or NY team instead of a New England team.

Go watch the other 24/7 sports stations.
 

VBSoxFan

Member
SoSH Member
Aug 8, 2005
354
Virginia Beach, VA
With Fox Sports 1 set to debut on Saturday, maybe the competition will temper some of the more sensationalistic aspects of ESPN's television and online content. Probably not. Except for the live baseball coverage, the only program I watch semi-regularly is SportsCenter at 6pm. From looking at FS1's website and schedule, it appears that FS1 will have a nightly news program called Fox Sports Live, but that airs at 11pm.
 
Note: At 2:30 ET Saturday, there is a show called Fox Sports 1 on 1 featuring Tom Brady.
 

cromulence

Member
SoSH Member
Aug 25, 2009
6,809
Darnell's Son said:
Go watch the other 24/7 sports stations.
 
Thanks, I absolutely plan on switching to FOX Sports 1, but keep on fighting for that underdog. Poor ESPN, they need it.
 

glennhoffmania

meat puppet
Lifetime Member
SoSH Member
Jul 25, 2005
8,411,697
NY
Niners quarterback Colin Kaepernick received high praise from ESPN analyst Ron Jaworski and managed to take it in stride.
 
"I truly believe Colin Kaepernick could be one of the greatest quarterbacks ever," Jaworski said Wednesday on ESPN. "I love his skill set. I think the sky's the limit."
 
 
Link
 
Hey maybe he's right and a decade from now everyone will be talking about what a genius Jaworski was.  But for now this comment sounds pretty ridiculous to me.
 

TheGazelle

Member
SoSH Member
Dec 17, 2009
1,234
glennhoffmania said:
 
Link
 
Hey maybe he's right and a decade from now everyone will be talking about what a genius Jaworski was.  But for now this comment sounds pretty ridiculous to me.
 
This is the problem with ESPN.  After these comments, every talking head will bloviate on whether Jaworski is right or not instead of covering, for example, anything happening on a field.  Just a complete waste of time.
 

garlan5

Member
SoSH Member
May 13, 2009
2,684
Virginia
glennhoffmania said:
 
Link
 
Hey maybe he's right and a decade from now everyone will be talking about what a genius Jaworski was.  But for now this comment sounds pretty ridiculous to me.
I'm a 9ers fan and I've been watching Kap since he was drafted.  Honestly in his first preseason I said he might have the best skill set I've ever seen at quarterback. The kid can make all the throws and his running is smart and ellusive.  But I kinda cringed when i read what Jaws wrote.  I hate setting the bar so high for him.  I mean he seems to have the skills and ability.  But thats a bold bold statement.   I kinda understand what he means but it prob is a reach as a reporter to make such a statement.  As a fan of Kap and the Niners I hate seeing such headlines. 
 

DJnVa

Dorito Dawg
SoSH Member
Dec 16, 2010
54,224
garlan5 said:
  I kinda understand what he means but it prob is a reach as a reporter to make such a statement. 
 
Jaworski isn't a reporter, he's an analyst. He's supposed to say things like this.
 

garlan5

Member
SoSH Member
May 13, 2009
2,684
Virginia
DrewDawg said:
 
Jaworski isn't a reporter, he's an analyst. He's supposed to say things like this.
 
good point, but still as an analyst it's a reach to say that.  but to his credit i'm sure he'll be getting even more air time to discuss/defend that.
 

dcmissle

Deflatigator
Lifetime Member
SoSH Member
Aug 4, 2005
28,269
"Could be ... skill set."  Seems reasonable to me. 
 
Jaws not only is the least of their problems, but also he's probably their most valuable, intelligent asset in their enormous football collection.
 
You want problems?  Don't ever confuse ESPN with a font of cutting edged news, or entertainment for that matter  --
 
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/08/23/report-nfl-pressured-espn-to-abandon-pbs-concussion-project/
 
It is, and will forever remain, the NFL's ho.  And a source of humor too: Tagliabue's characterization of Playmakers was hilarious at the time, and even more so in hindsight.
 

edoug

Member
SoSH Member
Jul 15, 2005
6,007
dcmissle said:
"Could be ... skill set."  Seems reasonable to me. 
 
Jaws not only is the least of their problems, but also he's probably their most valuable, intelligent asset in their enormous football collection.
 
You want problems?  Don't ever confuse ESPN with a font of cutting edged news, or entertainment for that matter  --
 
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/08/23/report-nfl-pressured-espn-to-abandon-pbs-concussion-project/
 
It is, and will forever remain, the NFL's ho.  And a source of humor too: Tagliabue's characterization of Playmakers was hilarious at the time, and even more so in hindsight.
Example # 1:
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/24/sports/football/nfl-pressure-said-to-prompt-espn-to-quit-film-project.html?pagewanted=1&_r=0&seid=auto&smid=tw-nytmedia
 

The Social Chair

Member
SoSH Member
Feb 17, 2010
6,116
http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/envelope/cotown/la-et-ct-espn-frontline-nfl-concussions-20130822,0,1225083.story
 
ESPN pulls logo and credit from 'Frontline's' 'League of Denial'
ESPN has asked to have its logos and credit removed from an upcoming episode of the PBS series "Frontline" that examines head injuries of football players and the response to them by the National Football League.
"League of Denial," a two-hour documentary which is set to premiere in October, was done as a collaboration between ESPN's news magazine program "Outside the Lines" and "Frontline." It includes interviews with former NFL players, and the league is not portrayed in a flattering light for how it has handled the issue of head injuries over the years.
 
 

pedro1918

Member
SoSH Member
Mar 5, 2004
5,162
Map Ref. 41°N 93°W
ESPN.com is the idiot.  The Red Sox just beat the Rays in Clay Buchholz's return to the bigs and the front page of ESPN.com says this:
 
 
Like He Never Left
Clay [I am an Idiot] picked up Tuesday night where he lett off three months ago, improving to 10-0.
 
 

JayMags71

Member
SoSH Member
I have push notifications set for the B ston teams, and I just got thisfrom the score center app:

Skip Bayless and Stephen A. Smith debate how much trouble the Patriots are in against the Jets
I think I'd rather watch a loop of the the Tyree catch for a few hours, Clockwork Orange-Style than watch those two dolts in yet another contrived debate.
 

LeoCarrillo

Do his bits at your peril
SoSH Member
Oct 13, 2008
10,442
I have push notifications set for the B ston teams, and I just got thisfrom the score center app:

I think I'd rather watch a loop of the the Tyree catch for a few hours, Clockwork Orange-Style than watch those two dolts in yet another contrived debate.


Tebow will get mentioned inside of 5 minutes.
 

garlan5

Member
SoSH Member
May 13, 2009
2,684
Virginia
JayMags71 said:
I have push notifications set for the B ston teams, and I just got thisfrom the score center app:

I think I'd rather watch a loop of the the Tyree catch for a few hours, Clockwork Orange-Style than watch those two dolts in yet another contrived debate.
i used to like first take- long before steven a smith joined up.  i liked it when jay crawford was hosting.  hate it now.
 

SidelineCameras

Member
SoSH Member
Jan 13, 2011
1,813
Patriots are in trouble, as covered by ESPN?
 
Let's see here...Week 2 after a tough road opener in Buffalo...popular player let go by the team to a rival...team and Brady seem shaky in Week 1...maybe Bayliss or Stephen A will say that the team hates just hates their coach right now?
 
I'm not saying the Pats don't have issues. I am saying that contrived "debates" are contrived.
 

Infield Infidel

teaching korea american
SoSH Member
Jul 15, 2005
11,463
Meeting Place, Canada
ESPN.com embeds separate highlights into the box scores for all scoring plays on ESPN college football games. I noticed it last week. I don't remember them doing that last season. It's pretty great for catching up if you miss a bit of a game. 
 

richgedman'sghost

Well-Known Member
Lifetime Member
SoSH Member
May 13, 2006
1,890
ct
Infield Infidel said:
ESPN.com embeds separate highlights into the box scores for all scoring plays on ESPN college football games. I noticed it last week. I don't remember them doing that last season. It's pretty great for catching up if you miss a bit of a game. 
So what's pathetic about that? That belongs in the extremely short thread called "Things ESPN Does Right!".  This is the thread where everyone bitches about what's wrong with ESPN. 
 

ifmanis5

Member
SoSH Member
Sep 29, 2007
64,041
Rotten Apple
Caught about 5 minutes of SportsCenter this morning. Went like this:
 
Generic SC Anchor: Josh Freeman benched, do you this this is the right the to do?
Jerome Bettis: This league is about wins and losses and the Bucs are 0-and-3.
Generic SC Anchor: What about his decline? He looked so good as a rookie, what happened?
Jerome Bettis: No one knows.
 
 
Great analysis. Peter King would be proud.
 

terrisus

formerly: imgran
SoSH Member
I know I'm late commenting on this, but, 
 
mabrowndog said:
Just saw this notice at the bottom of an Olney article:
 
 
Because Facebook doesn't already suck enough.
 
If I wanted to Facebook comment, I would go to Facebook. This isn't Facebook, it's ESPN. Just have us make ESPN accounts to comment or something (oh, wait, there are ESPN accounts... I suppose it's just too logical to use those)
 
As someone who never had, and never will have, a Facebook account, it gives me one less reason to go to ESPN.
And, guess I'll just need to drop comments about the things they mess up in here instead.