Felger and Mazz - Creating False Naratives one day at a time

[PedroSpecialK]

QUOTE (Phenom @ May 19 2010, 04:35 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2978896
Felger is on the Bruins again...

"I see no reason to interview Cam Neely. I don't see his imprint on the organization, so why interview him? He doesn't do anything. I want to talk to somebody who does do something...but if they just want their nuts scrubbed, they'll go on the other station." :rolling:

I love the passion...great radio.

This was the highlight of my day - had a good laugh when Felger dropped that one.

 

[soxfan121]

Well, consider my complaint addressed. Although I think he could have gone a little softer on DA.

 

[BannedbyNYYFans.com]

I now love Dan Duquette.

He was just on Felger and Mazz and of course, Tony brings up the "did the Sox whiff on Teixeira?" question right at the end of the interview.

The Duke laughs and says, "I whiffed on him. We shoulda signed him back when we drafted him originally. We should have given him whatever he wanted. But no, the Sox didn't whiff on it last offseason. Whatever Boston offered him, the Yankees would have come back and just offered $10 Million more."

Of course, Tony says that he disagrees and that the Sox blew it.

Thanks Duke.

 

[Smiling Joe Hesketh]

QUOTE (BannedbyNYYFans.com @ May 20 2010, 03:42 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2980379
I now love Dan Duquette.

He was just on Felger and Mazz and of course, Tony brings up the "did the Sox whiff on Teixeira?" question right at the end of the interview.

The Duke laughs and says, "I whiffed on him. We shoulda signed him back when we drafted him originally. We should have given him whatever he wanted. But no, the Sox didn't whiff on it last offseason. Whatever Boston offered him, the Yankees would have come back and just offered $10 Million more."

Of course, Tony says that he disagrees and that the Sox blew it.

Thanks Duke.

Interesting to hear Duquette say that now; apparently the Sox handled the original Teixeira negotiations so ham-handedly that Tex bore a grudge against the organization for a long, long time afterwards.

 

[BannedbyNYYFans.com]

QUOTE (Smiling Joe Hesketh @ May 20 2010, 11:46 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2980383
Interesting to hear Duquette say that now; apparently the Sox handled the original Teixeira negotiations so ham-handedly that Tex bore a grudge against the organization for a long, long time afterwards.


Duquette kind of implied it was about money (and Boras was his agent so I'm sure that was a huge consideration) with his comment "We should have given him what he wanted" but I've always read and heard that the big issue was Duquette supposedly disrespecting Teixeira's dad. He wouldn't even deal with or call the family, instead communicating thru Sox scouting director Wayne Britton. I have no idea what the real truth was, but I was just happy he told Tony that the Yankees would have trumped any offer the Sox put on the table in the 08 offseason. The only person who swears the Sox could have had a done deal in Dallas that night was Tony - becuase of his "undisclosed source". I find it hard to believe the Yankees would have gone into that season with a 1B platoon of Nick Johnson/Jorge Posada. Call me crazy but thinking the richest organization in sports wouldn't be involved in negotiations with the premiere free agent at a position of need seems illogical.

 

[Haunted]

So is Mazz just going to keep beating this drum for the rest of his career? Because that's a pretty crappy drum to beat.

 

[HomeBrew1901]

QUOTE (BannedbyNYYFans.com @ May 20 2010, 04:00 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2980411
The only person who swears the Sox could have had a done deal in Dallas that night was Tony - becuase of his "undisclosed source". I find it hard to believe the Yankees would have gone into that season with a 1B platoon of Nick Johnson/Jorge Posada. Call me crazy but thinking the richest organization in sports wouldn't be involved in negotiations with the premiere free agent at a position of need seems illogical.

Not only that but the Yankees weren't about to let their biggest rival just have him either, especailly when he would have been a perfect fit for the Sox too. Unless Mazz comes out and reveals his source to be either Theo or Luccino I will continue to believe that Mazz is full of shit and simply wants to believe this because it gives him something to talk about. Mazz wants this to be his "Curse".

 

[dcmissle]

QUOTE (BannedbyNYYFans.com @ May 20 2010, 03:42 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2980379
I now love Dan Duquette.

He was just on Felger and Mazz and of course, Tony brings up the "did the Sox whiff on Teixeira?" question right at the end of the interview.

The Duke laughs and says, "I whiffed on him. We shoulda signed him back when we drafted him originally. We should have given him whatever he wanted. But no, the Sox didn't whiff on it last offseason. Whatever Boston offered him, the Yankees would have come back and just offered $10 Million more."

Of course, Tony says that he disagrees and that the Sox blew it.

Thanks Duke.


Quite the trifecta by Duquette --

in-your-face repudiation of Tony One-Note Mazz;

stunning pre-emption of Felger, who was undoubtedly primed to jump ugly if the answer were otherwise ("Well why didn't YOU sign him Dan?!");

remarkable disarming of the Duquettistas of SoSH, who run screaming from the jungle yelling "Banzai!" at even the most muted criticism of the greatest GM since Branch Rickey who inexplicably has been absent from MLB front offices for 7 years.

 

[shawnrbu]

QUOTE (Haunted @ May 20 2010, 03:09 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2980429
So is Mazz just going to keep beating this drum for the rest of his career? Because that's a pretty crappy drum to beat.


Yesterday (or it may have been Tuesday) Mazz literally said he would. He said he will not get over the Sox "botching" the Teixeira negotiations in Dallas for the rest of Teix's career.

I have to say I enjoyed the close of today's show with Felger begging Jeremy Jacobs to come out of hiding and speak publicly to someone, anyone about what happened to his team last Friday. Felger said it doesn't have to be on his show. Felger mentioned Fluto by name. He wants quotes from JJ.

 

[mikeford]

The Dan Roche and Mazz show today?

Yeesh. This is bleak. Felger carries this show more than AI carried the 2001 Sixers.

 

[Phenom]

QUOTE (mikeford @ May 21 2010, 02:33 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2981600
The Dan Roche and Mazz show today?

Yeesh. This is bleak. Felger carries this show more than AI carried the 2001 Sixers.


Even when he's not there, he's a topic of conversation.

Tony talking about how Felger calls people soft, but yet he's missing work with a temperature.

I think Dan Roche is a fine reporter, but my...he is really bland on the radio. The next opinion he has will be his first.

 

[mikeford]

Yeah, thats the problem. Roche paired with another strong personality is fine. He can sit there and be a decent stats guy and "yes man" for the strong personality host.

With Mazz? Forget it.

 

[PedroSpecialK]

I tuned in for 5 minutes today and almost fell asleep behind the wheel. Pretty brutal.

 

[Sille Skrub]

Felger hitting the nail on the head regarding the horrible officiating last night.

 

[Salem's Lot]

He's making every point that I wanted to make in the "How concerned are you" thread. Just great radio.

 

[dcmissle]

QUOTE (Salem's Lot @ May 27 2010, 02:27 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2992669
He's making every point that I wanted to make in the "How concerned are you" thread. Just great radio.


Square this:

QUOTE
Felger has been saying the past few days he wouldn't be surprised if they lost the series, that people are underestimating the injuries they have had and what the loss of Krejci did to the team. He pretty much was their best player. I don't think he will be overly negative towards the Bruins, he was expecting this.


with this, uttered 4 days later

QUOTE
Felger is CRUSHING the Bruins, starting with first and foremost, Jeremy Jacobs.

Whether you agree or disagree with his points, this is solid gold Felger today.


and I'll pop a top.

 

[BannedbyNYYFans.com]

Why tune into insightful talk radio about NBA officiating like this when you can check out the Big Show's genius down the dial? I made the mistake of tuning in during a Felger/Mazz break. I think I need to go to Pete Newell's Camp just to get back the basketball IQ I lost in the five minutes I listened to Larry Johnson break down the Eastern Conference Finals.

Sorry, it's OT and probably belongs in the other thread but its days like today that reveal the enormous gap between the two stations at this time slot.

 

[JohnnyTheBone]

QUOTE (Salem's Lot @ May 27 2010, 02:27 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2992669
He's making every point that I wanted to make in the "How concerned are you" thread. Just great radio.

He essentially just read Stew Winkel's excellent article verbatim:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/397573-...cs-in-game-five

This is required reading.

 

[Salem's Lot]

QUOTE (dcmissle @ May 27 2010, 02:46 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2992691
Square this:



with this, uttered 4 days later



and I'll pop a top.



I can't. He absolutely contradicted himself. He took the Bruins' loss as an opportunity to bash an ownership that he dispises, and he did just that.

 

[Ahriman]

"Denial is not a river in South America"

:rolling: :rolling: :rolling:

 

[BoSoxFink]

QUOTE (Ahriman @ May 27 2010, 04:02 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2992805
"Denial is not a river in South America"

:rolling: :rolling: :rolling:

Felger really is stupid sometimes.

 

[fairlee76]

Great to hear Doctor DB weighing in on Glen Davis's health. It is not as though they have a deciding game to discuss.

 

[McSweeny]

Neumeier in today with Felger and Mazz for the entire show. Hinting at having him in studio for the entire week. Should be interesting.

 

[Salem's Lot]

Mazz can't get a word in with these two.

 

[LMontro]

QUOTE (Salem's Lot @ Jun 1 2010, 02:33 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2998759
Mazz can't get a word in with these two.


Thank god. I hope Mazz gets Tanguay'd

 

[BannedbyNYYFans.com]

The exchange with Neumie threatening to crack Felger's ribs with a baseball bat was funny. It led to Neumie explaining how he recently cracked his ribs after a "fall". Felger pushed him for the details of the fall when Mazz interrupted and asked if alcohol was involved. Neumie said, "of course not. I tripped on a banana peel". :rolling:

 

[teddykgb]

Didn't like Felger+Neumie as much as i thought I would. Neumie is a little too proned to the long winded jaunts down memory lane that Felger just has no appetite or tolerance for, which is a quality in him that I revere. Some of it was just the Neumie hasn't been on the radio daily so he was filling in long standing opinions, but hearing them go back to all the hot topics over the last 3 months just wasn't great radio, hopefully will be better on thurs now that that's covered, because with these 3 it could honestly be really exceptional

 

[BannedbyNYYFans.com]

QUOTE (teddykgb @ Jun 1 2010, 03:13 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2999066
Didn't like Felger+Neumie as much as i thought I would. Neumie is a little too proned to the long winded jaunts down memory lane that Felger just has no appetite or tolerance for, which is a quality in him that I revere. Some of it was just the Neumie hasn't been on the radio daily so he was filling in long standing opinions, but hearing them go back to all the hot topics over the last 3 months just wasn't great radio, hopefully will be better on thurs now that that's covered, because with these 3 it could honestly be really exceptional



Yeah, I agree. There were some good segments, but it got a little "all over the place". They would be right in the middle of discussion regarding the matchups for Thursday's game for example and all of a sudden Neumie would just blurt out some rambling non sequitur about Russell or Bird...or whatever. Felger would just pause because you could tell he didn't know where to go with it. On the other hand, it meant less of Tony's high pitched voice, so I was thrilled with that.

 

[mikeford]

QUOTE (LMontro @ Jun 1 2010, 02:35 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2998762
Thank god. I hope Mazz gets Tanguay'd

Slow down, a life without Naughty Masserotti is not a life I am interested in living.

 

[AquaNarc]

Replacing Mazz with Neumie would be like trading Jeremy Hermida straight up for Ryan Braun.

 

[Rocco Graziosa]

Felger and Nuemie are the Boston version of Mike and the Mad Dog. I can feel it. I agree the show was a little "off" yesterday, but you can feel the potential. You let Felger go full bore with the Boston hate...........don't appologize and don't disguise it......just like Dog on the Yankees.....and you have Neumie the "rational" local fan keeping everything perspective while being interesting and smart. Keep the topics lively. Let Neumie talk about sports gambling. Have interesting guests on and grill the sh!t out of them. Move away from provincial sports once in a while. Be funny.

The Felger and Neumie show could be all of this. Dare to dream................

 

[Gambler7]

I agree with everything Rocco said. I loved the show yesterday, at least what I heard of it. Mazz playing the Wallach part of the show wasn't terrible, but I would LOVE a Felger/Nuemie show.

Looking forward to the rest of the week.

 

[underhandtofirst]

QUOTE (Gambler7 @ Jun 2 2010, 10:31 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=3000051
I agree with everything Rocco said. I loved the show yesterday, at least what I heard of it. Mazz playing the Wallach part of the show wasn't terrible, but I would LOVE a Felger/Nuemie show.

Looking forward to the rest of the week.


I thought I heard Felger say Neumie would be back on Thursday.

 

[dcmissle]

QUOTE (underhandtofirst @ Jun 2 2010, 11:38 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=3000129
I thought I heard Felger say Neumie would be back on Thursday.


Three now fit comfortably in the studio. With the non-signing that will live in infamy at least temporarily shelved, and a couple of months removed still from "Rome is burning!", one of the three doesn't have much to say.

 

[Commander Shears]

QUOTE (Gambler7 @ Jun 2 2010, 10:31 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=3000051
I would LOVE a Felger/Nuemie show.

You guys piqued my interest so I decided to check it out today. Turns out Neumie is the same pompous, smarmy, long-winded d-bag he's always been. He's one of those insufferable clowns who states common knowledge with the air of discovery. The guy thinks he's holding court and spinning a fascinating tale as he takes about five minutes explaining everything short of the barometric pressure in what was apparently some sort of incident with pine tar involving George Brett. I wish Neumie would tell more people about this, I'm sure they'd all love to be clued in.

 

[Spacemans Bong]

QUOTE (Commander Shears @ Jun 3 2010, 07:54 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=3002663
You guys piqued my interest so I decided to check it out today. Turns out Neumie is the same pompous, smarmy, long-winded d-bag he's always been. He's one of those insufferable clowns who states common knowledge with the air of discovery. The guy thinks he's holding court and spinning a fascinating tale as he takes about five minutes explaining everything short of the barometric pressure in what was apparently some sort of incident with pine tar involving George Brett. I wish Neumie would tell more people about this, I'm sure they'd all love to be clued in.

That sounds exactly like Mike & the Mad Dog.

 

[shawnrbu]

Neumie is a breath of fresh air for this show. Felger wants to go on Euro Weenie rants and how "it's only 1 game" for Gasol. That's where Mazz would typically back off since he isn't very firm on basketball. Neumie has a strong enough well-informed opinion that he can reply back to Felger, "One game? Have you been watching what Gasol has done the past 2 years?".

 

[JakeBadlands]

QUOTE (shawnrbu @ Jun 4 2010, 03:43 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=3005166
Neumie is a breath of fresh air for this show. Felger wants to go on Euro Weenie rants and how "it's only 1 game" for Gasol. That's where Mazz would typically back off since he isn't very firm on basketball. Neumie has a strong enough well-informed opinion that he can reply back to Felger, "One game? Have you been watching what Gasol has done the past 2 years?".


I have to disagree with you on this completely. Regardless of the actual opinions, what Felger is doing is schtick. Neumie and his fucking meta-analysis just killed it for me. I'm paraphrasing, but he said something to the effect of "you just want to hate on Kobe so you can fill five minutes of radio time." Well, yeah, Bob. That's the point. If we were all going to be completely honest and factual about it, talk radio would cease to exist. It's not a format that lends itself to spreadsheets and pitch charts. I mean, most people understand on this board that it's useless to pick winners this early in the baseball season, but what would our talking heads talk about if they didn't do just that? When I want to read detailed explanations of shit I barely understand, I come here. When I want to be entertained by some harmless bombast and douchebaggery, I tune into Felger. Listening to Neumeier taking him to task as if they were having some serious debate about the relative merits of European hockey players was just painful and awkward. It was like he broke the fourth wall.

Say what you will about Tony, but he usually takes Felger's bait, which, IMO, makes them a decent pair. (Mazz on his own, however... no thank you).

 

[Phenom]

QUOTE (JakeBadlands @ Jun 4 2010, 06:15 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=3005300
I have to disagree with you on this completely. Regardless of the actual opinions, what Felger is doing is schtick. Neumie and his fucking meta-analysis just killed it for me. I'm paraphrasing, but he said something to the effect of "you just want to hate on Kobe so you can fill five minutes of radio time." Well, yeah, Bob. That's the point. If we were all going to be completely honest and factual about it, talk radio would cease to exist. It's not a format that lends itself to spreadsheets and pitch charts. I mean, most people understand on this board that it's useless to pick winners this early in the baseball season, but what would our talking heads talk about if they didn't do just that? When I want to read detailed explanations of shit I barely understand, I come here. When I want to be entertained by some harmless bombast and douchebaggery, I tune into Felger. Listening to Neumeier taking him to task as if they were having some serious debate about the relative merits of European hockey players was just painful and awkward. It was like he broke the fourth wall.

Say what you will about Tony, but he usually takes Felger's bait, which, IMO, makes them a decent pair. (Mazz on his own, however... no thank you).


I didn't really enjoy Neumie either, but not for that reason.

He just seemed all over the place, and never firmly stated an opinion. That stuff on Thursday about "not picking a winner" was weak.

And what is with this astonishment that he comes to a radio show with notes? I mean, he said how many minutes Pau Gasol played last night, and Mazz acted like that was top secret information that you have to really go digging for.

Maybe if he was a regular, he would have more of a role, but I don't know, I really didn't think he added much.

Felger is a tough guy to work with. You have to be on your "A game," or else you won't get in a meaningful word. I don't think Neumie said anything all that meaningful this week.

 

[ifmanis5]

Just tuned in only to hear Neumie talk about 2-3-2 NBA Finals series history, mentioned 1998 MJ vs. the Jazz and he says "that was the series where Jordan hit the fall away against Ehlo." That is an embarrassing lack of knowledge. Neither Felgie or Mazz corrected him either.

 

[nuno_is_god]

He said the same exact thing last week, but was corrected.

 

[teddykgb]

I really thought Neumie would be perfect with Felger, I think I even suggested it earlier in this thread. I was completely wrong, I think he ruins the flow of the show. It's not even that it's different and I just need to get used to it, it's that he's just on a totally different wavelength from Felger and doesn't actually bait him or take his bait. He just sits there and spouts random useless things, and Felger can't play off of that because he clearly doesn't care about that stuff. It's been tough radio with Neumie the last few times he's been on. He's not even better than Mazz, who at least plays off of Felger even if he does too much "you're right mike"ing.

I'm not sure if this is an experiment or what the sports hub is planning to do here, but Neumie and Felger just clash, and not in an interesting and thought provoking way.

 

[HomeBrew1901]

I came in to post something similar to what Teddy just posted so I'll leave it at that. What I do like about Neumie is that he has absolutely no problem challenging Felger and calling him out on his crap on air.

 

[Rocco Graziosa]

QUOTE (HomeBrew1901 @ Jun 8 2010, 12:58 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=3011725
I came in to post something similar to what Teddy just posted so I'll leave it at that. What I do like about Neumie is that he has absolutely no problem challenging Felger and calling him out on his crap on air.



I didn't get a chance to listen a lot, but what I did hear lacked chemistry. I think that could improve over time, and Brew your spot on about Neumie having the balls to challenge Felger. I think that things would improve over time and the show could be great. That said, those that listened a lot seem to have legitimate concerns and the little I heard was definitely not the reincarnation of the Mike and the Mad Dog. Felger didn't seem to have a whole lot of respect for Neumier, which is strange because he's pretty much a nobody himself. Strange.

 

[fairlee76]

What I am learning through listening the last few months is that Felger is best-suited to play the skeptic when a team is struggling. Based on his tone, you would think we are still watching the Celtics of Jan - early April. There is no joy in his rants, no real acknowledgment that this team has done exactly what it promised to do. Just more whining and generalities about the NBA and its players. To listen to him, you would think the players made this the soft league it has become. In reality, the NBA has become soft in an attempt to appeal to guys like Felger; lily-white Red Staters who crap their pants at the sight of an African-American dude with a few tattoos.

 

[Rocco Graziosa]

QUOTE (fairlee76 @ Jun 8 2010, 04:21 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=3012106
What I am learning through listening the last few months is that Felger is best-suited to play the skeptic when a team is struggling. Based on his tone, you would think we are still watching the Celtics of Jan - early April. There is no joy in his rants, no real acknowledgment that this team has done exactly what it promised to do. Just more whining and generalities about the NBA and its players. To listen to him, you would think the players made this the soft league it has become. In reality, the NBA has become soft in an attempt to appeal to guys like Felger; lily-white Red Staters who crap their pants at the sight of an African-American dude with a few tattoos.


FWIW, Felger openly HATES the NBA and makes no bones about it. When someone veers off topic he will often say "as long as your not talking about the NBA I don't care." I wouldn't listen to him talk about the Boston Celtics at gunpoint.

And to be honest? Thats fine. There are way too many radio entertainers out there willing to be an "expert" on all the sports and never admit they don't like one.

 

[Bleedred]

QUOTE (fairlee76 @ Jun 8 2010, 04:21 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=3012106
In reality, the NBA has become soft in an attempt to appeal to guys like Felger; lily-white Red Staters who crap their pants at the sight of an African-American dude with a few tattoos.


FWIW, Felger is as blue state as there is. An unapologetic liberal who wears his heart on his sleeve (most recent example is his violent rant against anyone who suggests that the confederate flag connotes anything other than racism). Your criticism of the NBA may or may not be right, but to group Felger into that kind of demographic is demonstrably false.

 

[Sparky Lyle]

QUOTE (fairlee76 @ Jun 8 2010, 04:21 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=3012106
In reality, the NBA has become soft in an attempt to appeal to guys like Felger; lily-white Red Staters who crap their pants at the sight of an African-American dude with a few tattoos.



Boy, you got that all wrong. Felger is an unabashed lefty; he's from Wisconsin for crissakes. It's one of the reasons I like him. He, like me, just doesn't like basketball all that much. He, like me, just doesn't know that much about it.

 

[fairlee76]

QUOTE (Sparky Lyle @ Jun 8 2010, 08:27 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=3012565
Boy, you got that all wrong. Felger is an unabashed lefty; he's from Wisconsin for crissakes. It's one of the reasons I like him. He, like me, just doesn't like basketball all that much. He, like me, just doesn't know that much about it.

I get that Felger is a liberal; but to listen to him talk about the NBA you would think he is cut from the same cloth as a lot of the rednecks I grew up with in Maine. Shit, do you guys think I started listening to sports talk radio yesterday? It is his schtick. I get it. It does not make it any less annoying to me when he is fixating on how soft Glen Davis is after the poor bastard got knocked out in game 5 and showed enough toughness to play in game 6. It reminds me of his reaction upon hearing about Moss's shoulder injury - "screw him; he's a pussy." Or Mike Adams's constant anti-Manny rants. Lucky for the Sports Hub that the Big Show is completely unlistenable.

 

[AquaNarc]

It is a little tiring when he uses a guy releasing a rap record as evidence of his poor "makeup" or character.