Felger and Mazz - Creating False Naratives one day at a time
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Jesus Christ. Wiggy on the Sox. Not happening, sorry.
Particularly since he'll just parrot F&M, blah blah team is selfish, blah blah Bard is selfish. Don't have an opinion or anything.
It's like there are two Mazz's.
Particularly since he'll just parrot F&M, blah blah team is selfish, blah blah Bard is selfish. Don't have an opinion or anything.
It's like there are two Mazz's.
As well he should. He comes across like a self-entitled douche of the highest order with that quote. Won't go back to back? FUCK OFF you little bitch.
Pick on him all you want. Bard is a legitimate commodity and he knows that. It might be upsetting to hear a 26 year old with seemlingly no leverage dictate terms to his employers, but this is the age we live in. He has more power than some might be willing to accept. He's not disposable like Shea Hillenbrand was. Also, he complied and probably will continue to do so.
Seriously? You want him to get hot two nights in a row in game action then get ready for his start on Friday? What other starters do this? Felger and Mazz are way off base here. You either make him a starter or a reliever. No middle ground.
I've managed to tune Wiggy out and I'm just enjoying listening to Felger destroy all the entitled douchebags on this team.
Well, I though he meant if they move back into the bullpen. Not that he would start on Friday for fucks sake.
The guy should be in the bullpen.
In the words of the irreplaceable Bob Ryan, "If I were an athlete in this town, I would never talk to the press."
Edit: typos
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How can he dictate terms? He's arbitration eligible for the next three years, so the Sox control him. What's he going to do sit out those three years? How do you think that's going to effect his career?
No, but he can routinely say, "Sorry, I can't go today," to protect his arm, and put in only 50 appearances each season. Arb awards are largely dependent on service time, so he'll still collect and then depart.
I totally disagree. I think he should be in the rotation until he proves he can't be a good starter. That was the plan for a reason (be it right or wrong), and personally I think he has shown a lot of promise so far. IMO, its on the rest of the bullpen to pitch to their abilities. This isn't a good bullpen, but there is no need for them to sport a collective 8? ERA.
This group (players/management) need to get together on a plan and execute it. Switching from pen to rotation to pen to rotation didn't work out great for Joba, I would rather not see that happen to Bard.
edit: As for Bard's comments, the definitely rub me the wrong way. But my gut tells me his comments came off a little differently than he intended.
Right, I agree he can't simply sit out the next three years. I think he feels he has enough leverage to bitch about it and I think he's probably right. Also, the Sox aren't going to cut their nose off to spite their face. The current pitching staff is a shitshow from top to bottom.They also have 30 mil + committed to guys who aren't even pitching for them currently. They're a mess, and they desperatley need Bard right now.
He'll still collect, but with a damaged reputation.
Reasonable people can disagree on this, but to me, confidence is worth more than what the stats tell me about how a pitcher like Bard is more valuable as a starter.
I think that's what Felger is getting at. That (A) Bard believes he has that leverage to begin with, and (B) that he in fact so asserts that leverage. Felger thinks that sucks. I tend to agree with him.
I don't hate Mazz as much as some of you. But good God, when he goes out of his way to agree with Felger (especially when Felger's making a shitty point), and makes it seem as though he's always felt that way, it's unbearable.
And then they're unbearable together.
Will he get fired if he disagrees?
And then they're unbearable together.
Will he get fired if he disagrees?
This is the guy who rarely watches any of the games is commenting on. I wouldn't expect him to know anyone in the draft, but you can be sure that whatever happens, Mazz will rant about the Pats trading down or complaining about who they drafted.
Felg and Mazz think they need to be more like the Jets...trade up and draft 3 guys per year and get Sanchez, Gholston, Shonn Greene to go with Revis/Furgerson/Mangold....then they can have a couple 9-7 type seasons, back into the playoffs then have a 2 game winning streak before losing in the afc championship game. Because that's the goal. Who wants to be a perennial Super Bowl contender for a decade +?
Admittedly it can make for an anticlimactic draft night, but BB and the gang know a fuck of a lot more about picking football players then myself our tony mazz.
Admittedly it can make for an anticlimactic draft night, but BB and the gang know a fuck of a lot more about picking football players then myself our tony mazz.
I heard about 5 minute today while I was out and I don't get why so many people like Felger. I honestly don't listen all that often so maybe I'm missing something but every time I do he's making a senseless point. Today he was talking about how many people credit the Patriots for being good at drafting but then goes on to name the 2003 draft and says who cares that was 9 years ago. He brings up Logan Mankins being a good pick and then adds, who cares that was 7 years ago. At no point does he recognize that the 2010 draft was a home run. Maybe he got to it later but considering how emphatic he was about the older drafts being good and only caring about the last 5 years I'd be surprised. If you're going to make this point don't you have to also talk about recent history? And if you get there how can you not look at 2010 and conclude anything other than that was a great draft. It's a little early on 2011 but it's looking really good also.
^ Felger conveniently leaving out stuff because it doesn't make his point? Thats a big surprise! Felger was as wrong as anyone could be on Gronkowski and Hernandez, its the modern equivalent of when Ron Borges moaned and whined about the Pats picking Richard Seymour instead of David Terrell, and Seymour goes on to have a really good career while Terrell was an absolute nobody.
For YEARS Felger has bitched about the Pats not trading up and they did so twice tonight! With his big reason to complain about the Pats taken away, what will he do? Whine about how the Jets drafted a much better player? Claim they gave up too much in the trade? Sprinkle in a "You're absolutely right" and "the Pats SUCK" and it'll be just another day on the Felger & Mazz show!
For YEARS Felger has bitched about the Pats not trading up and they did so twice tonight! With his big reason to complain about the Pats taken away, what will he do? Whine about how the Jets drafted a much better player? Claim they gave up too much in the trade? Sprinkle in a "You're absolutely right" and "the Pats SUCK" and it'll be just another day on the Felger & Mazz show!
Both Felger and Mazz are like carnival barkers. What little credibility they ever had (and it wasn't much) is long, long gone. A couple of wastes of human tissue who deserve no attention. Years ago Felger had some worth, but then he decided to turn into a cartoon character. "Squeaky" (Mazz) is lucky that he's ever been gainfully employed.
Felger will go off tomorrow talking about how the Pats FINALLY saw the error of their ways. Of course, he will ignore the reality that under the new CBA the valuations of 1st-round picks have changed and BB is making moves accordingly.
He won't ignore it. In fact, he's acknowledged the rookie wage scale numerous times. He actually addressed it last night on Comcast. His argument is that the cost of picks in the mid-late 1st round has not changed nearly as dramatically as it did for top 10 picks.
OMG, one minute in and Mazz and Bertrand are doing the stupid Boston accent, and mocking talking about actual football.
I kind of like the Boston accents, they crack me up. There was a guy on yesterday around 5:30 who was a former coach (I think it may have been juniors) and he was talking about Bruins assistant coach Doug Houda. "I don't know what Houda is doin up dhere. Dare powah play is just ahwful."
The people who call into sports talk radio deserve to be mocked. Criticized and mocked.
The people who call into sports talk radio deserve to be mocked. Criticized and mocked.
What a disaster the last 12 years have been in New England. Their drafting strategy has been totally off base, held them back from winning anything. :blink:
Of course as soon as he hangs up they bang the same drum that "Bard has no heart".
Mazz just said he went to bed before the Pats even picked, which also means 98.5 so called "baseball guy" also didn't watch the Red Sox (as that went longer).
How can someone who is paid to talk about sports not even watch the stuff he is paid to comment on.
How can someone who is paid to talk about sports not even watch the stuff he is paid to comment on.
I missed it but I thought they were over this crap.
Aaand Tanguay has jumped on this bandwagon of assholes.
More disturbingly, the Pats first pick was announced shortly after 10 PM EST.
Mazz goes to bed before 10. He has to be at work by 2 PM the next day. Area restaurants should be very afraid of Tony Mazz when he gets his official AARP discount card for the early-bird specials.
Mazz just repeated that again a couple of minutes ago, as if he's proud of it.
Mazz' explanation for going to bed early: "The Bruins played game 7 the night before, and I stayed up late. I said, 'Screw this! I'm going to bed!'"
The laziness on Mazz' part is unreal. It's getting to be insulting to the listeners, frankly, to be expected to invest time to listen to somebody who is clearly just talking out of his ass and following the coattails of his co-host. ("Felger and Mazz" is still way better than "The Big Show," and I am an apologetic Felger fanboy, so I will keep listening. But I am dreading those summer weeks where Mazz is in the big chair, which with the Bruins out early, may come sooner this year than years prior.)
So it turns out the Pats actually drafted Jake Bequette, "The Arkansas A-hole" that Felger "picked" this week. That should be fairly amusing on Monday.
The highlighter was right! That was definitely the first thing I thought when i saw the name pop up on the screen
You know with all the hate that goes on on this board for Mazz, it took me awhile to see the light. I, too, am sick of the constant ass-kissing (agreeing) with Felger. It's like the man believes if he says something counterintuitive to the other, he'll be fired. As it's been well-documented on here already he says the most asinine things and I LOVE it when Beetle calls him out on it! You can tell he's sick of his schtick as well with his rare mocking of him. Anyone know Tony's contract status? I'd campaign for a Tanguay re-hire as he and Felger seem to hate each other and THAT would make for entertaining radio!
Say it with me... "Yeaaaaaah."
Say it with me... "Yeaaaaaah."
On another note, if Felger has to talk NBA he should only be allowed to talk it with Cedric Maxwell.
Felger expects the Patriots to hit on every single draft pick they ever make. OMG DARIUS BUTLER AND TYRONE MCKENZIE SUCKED SO BELICHICK MUST NEVER TRADE BACK!!!!
There isn't one mention of the fact they traded up in part because of the new CBA.
Tony: "How many teams actually rely on that chart?" Um, Tony everybody does.
What about the draft picks that have worked out? Some guy named Brady in the 6th. Gronkowski, Mankins, Vollmer, Solder, McCourty, Chung, Spikes, Wilfork, Mayo, etc. Nimwits.
Tony: "How many teams actually rely on that chart?" Um, Tony everybody does.
What about the draft picks that have worked out? Some guy named Brady in the 6th. Gronkowski, Mankins, Vollmer, Solder, McCourty, Chung, Spikes, Wilfork, Mayo, etc. Nimwits.
Actually, that's not true. That chart hasn't been used by good organizations in over a decade. In fact most teams and experts (Peter King climbed on this bus this year) find that draft chart to be completely useless.
* BTW, I assume you're talking about the draft chart that was created by the Dallas Cowboys in the early 90s that put values on draft positioning, right?
It was just announced that The Tangman and another "Green Teamer" will make a rare in-studio appearance this Wednesday. Not exactly my wish but close enough. Definitely must listen radio.You know with all the hate that goes on on this board for Mazz, it took me awhile to see the light. I, too, am sick of the constant ass-kissing (agreeing) with Felger. It's like the man believes if he says something counterintuitive to the other, he'll be fired. As it's been well-documented on here already he says the most asinine things and I LOVE it when Beetle calls him out on it! You can tell he's sick of his schtick as well with his rare mocking of him. Anyone know Tony's contract status? I'd campaign for a Tanguay re-hire as he and Felger seem to hate each other and THAT would make for entertaining radio!
Say it with me... "Yeaaaaaah."
With the new salary slotting its even more worthless. If BBis sitting there with that chart in 2012 I'd be shocked and disappointed.
I would assume Belichick, along with many if not all other GMs, would use a different chart every year based on the talent dispersion of each draft. I could be way off, but with how much time and energy they spend on research, wouldn't it make sense to adjust the chart for the depth of every draft(including next year's).