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No more JVG on ESPN broadcasts. I am kind of stoked about this - no more dragging the product by him and Jackson during national telecasts. Furthermore, Jeff is great doing stand alone analysis so perhaps we will get more of that going forward as he does the podcast circuit etc.
 

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There was some talk they'd do the 1 at 7.8 with a handshake for a big raise, now some of that may have been Championship afterglow but talk was he was considering it. This is why he shouldn't.
That was probably coming from the Denver side or in-the-moment PR-speak but the player in this case is in no position to take this much risk with his career earnings of $15m compared to Harden's $300m+. That would be monumentally stupid.
 

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Mo Bamba released by the Lakers, Celtics kick the tires?
Once upon a time, the Celtics traded the 1st pick in the draft, widely presumed to be Joe Barry Carroll, for the pick that would be McHale and Robert Parish. Carroll's acronym of JBC quickly turned into mocking him as Joe Barely Cares in Oakland.

Mo Bamba makes Joe Barry Carroll appear to actually care. Hard Pass.
 

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If I were going to gamble scarce $ on a backup center I'd be more inclined to try Jaxson Hayes. Who probably wants more minutes/opportunity than we can give, but at least seems to want to be good
 

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Is Windy on the Clips' payroll? He's the only guy who reported the "severe Brogdon injury" explanation for the Clips passing on Brogdon and now he's out here saying that the Clips knew Harden might be available for trade.
Guys like that often have players/teams/individuals who source for them and whom they cover for.
 

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What, the Clippers didn’t know when they started the negotiations that afternoon but found out that evening?
The finalization of the trade was public, and this could have triggered someone connected to Harden to hit them up and be like "wait, hold up, we might have something better for you"
 

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The finalization of the trade was public, and this could have triggered someone connected to Harden to hit them up and be like "wait, hold up, we might have something better for you"
Possible.
 

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No more JVG on ESPN broadcasts. I am kind of stoked about this - no more dragging the product by him and Jackson during national telecasts. Furthermore, Jeff is great doing stand alone analysis so perhaps we will get more of that going forward as he does the podcast circuit etc.
I always kind of liked JVG as a basketball nerd. He clearly just loves the game. And he never took himself too seriously. I can definitely do without Jackson.
 

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I always kind of liked JVG as a basketball nerd. He clearly just loves the game. And he never took himself too seriously. I can definitely do without Jackson.
I like JVG and think he's knowledgeable, but is this a step in the direction of having NBA broadcast announcers who actually like the NBA?

I'd love to see someone like JJ, who not only knows basketball extremely well but also likes the current product a lot.
 

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I like JVG and think he's knowledgeable, but is this a step in the direction of having NBA broadcast announcers who actually like the NBA?

I'd love to see someone like JJ, who not only knows basketball extremely well but also likes the current product a lot.
Honestly it's likely a step in the direction of relentless positivity about the product and zero knowledge about what is going on. JJ isn't calling games.
 

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Honestly it's likely a step in the direction of relentless positivity about the product and zero knowledge about what is going on. JJ isn't calling games.
He already calls some games for ESPN, and has been mentioned in this context. It's probably not happening, but it's not insane.
 

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I'd say JJ is the odds-on favorite to become the lead NBA analyst for ESPN, unless Doris gets it
I thought the word was he didn't want to travel and wanted to do studio work and his pod so he could stay home with the family?
 

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I thought the word was he didn't want to travel and wanted to do studio work and his pod so he could stay home with the family?
Maybe? I thought that was in reference to coaching. The pay as the lead ESPN NBA analyst will have to be pretty large with the amount of investment they put into NBA media rights.

Disney will have to pay billions to air the games in the future, so the days of JVG slamming the "product/refs/rules" are over.

Maybe I'm just wish-casting since JJ is miles better than the rest
 

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Maybe? I thought that was in reference to coaching. The pay as the lead ESPN NBA analyst will have to be pretty large with the amount of investment they put into NBA media rights.

Disney will have to pay billions to air the games in the future, so the days of JVG slamming the "product/refs/rules" are over.

Maybe I'm just wish-casting since JJ is miles better than the rest
I like him a lot on his podcast (where he gets to bro out and drop f-bombs) and in studio (where he gets to be the foil to the usual hot takers). I thought he had a hard time on the draft coverage. He'll need good chemistry with his play-by-play guy if he does color. I doubt that's Breen. He's probably not enough of a personality to carry things himself.
 

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I like JVG and think he's knowledgeable, but is this a step in the direction of having NBA broadcast announcers who actually like the NBA?

I'd love to see someone like JJ, who not only knows basketball extremely well but also likes the current product a lot.
Maybe I’m having holiday weekend brain cramp, who’s JJ?
 

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Great move for Detroit. Have Harris simmer until the ASB then move him to a contender for bunch load of picks. He's going to look awful on that Pistons squad but would be ideal on so many contenders.
really? I guess if he regains his stroke, but every contender is going to be up against the cap.

I just always expect Troy Weaver to do something dumb, like signing his old boss's son on a 2-way last year.
 

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I would not be surprised if Detroit actually keeps Harris even with the expiring. He kind of fits nicely with their roster imo.
 

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really? I guess if he regains his stroke, but every contender is going to be up against the cap.

I just always expect Troy Weaver to do something dumb, like signing his old boss's son on a 2-way last year.
Regains? He's shot 3's between 41.9% and 47.5% during each of the last five seasons. That ankle(?) injury hurt him two years ago and last year was a bad fit in that system.
 

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Also from that article: Los Angeles even re-engaged Boston about acquiring Brogdon in recent days, sources said.

If true, the clippers can fuck right off.
Sure, Clips. We'll do it in a three way trade in which we get Marcus Smart back. Good luck.
 

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Also from that article: Los Angeles even re-engaged Boston about acquiring Brogdon in recent days, sources said.

If true, the clippers can fuck right off.
I still think a Clipper trade can work and now Boston is less likely to just give him up for what LAC was initially offering in the three way. So if they want him #30 and filler won't cut it.
 

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I still think a Clipper trade can work and now Boston is less likely to just give him up for what LAC was initially offering in the three way. So if they want him #30 and filler won't cut it.
This would make me sad and angry, but I could definitely talk myself into it if they offered a premium.
 

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This would make me sad and angry, but I could definitely talk myself into it if they offered a premium.
If Brogdon got Brad a Clippers protected First and some filler

Turn that filler + 2nds into Monte Morris + Kyle Anderson

Sign Javonte Green to minimum, then Brad can pack for Vegas
 

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Also from that article: Los Angeles even re-engaged Boston about acquiring Brogdon in recent days, sources said.

If true, the clippers can fuck right off.
Besides incredibly blind homerism, you honestly dont see why brogdon would make teams hesitant? Especially a team riddled with pathetic injured players like the clipps?

And the celtics still got their guy(kp), so now you're just mad for teams not just wanting, proven season after season, an injury prone Brogdon? Really? Are you bill simmons?
 

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Late 1st, Low 2nd? It's free draft capital plus the two 2nd rounders that they received today.
Yea, it's not a bad deal. Then again the Pistons seemed to push up Bojan and Alec Burks trade value last season, only to proceed to not extract any of that value.

DETROIT! BASKETBALL!

I wonder what are the Nets opening up space for? Cam Johnson I guess?
 

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Besides incredibly blind homerism, you honestly dont see why brogdon would make teams hesitant? Especially a team riddled with pathetic injured players like the clipps?

And the celtics still got their guy(kp), so now you're just mad for teams not just wanting, proven season after season, an injury prone Brogdon? Really? Are you bill simmons?
I don't think anybody can be upset at any opposing team for not wanting a specific Celtics player, and certainly Brogdon carries more risk than most. No one is legitimately annoyed at the Clippers for backing down from the original deal.

What will piss people off is when you come close to a deal, back out or push back due to injury concerns, then (through mouthpieces) essentially state that the guy is broken and could be untradable, then come back and show renewed interest just a week later (with the added factor of a separate, related deal happening that involves a longtime popular player).

For that, the Clippers can certainly fuck right off (or overpay for the privilege of taking a player with a "significant" health issue).
 

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If Brogdon got Brad a Clippers protected First and some filler

Turn that filler + 2nds into Monte Morris + Kyle Anderson

Sign Javonte Green to minimum, then Brad can pack for Vegas
Struggling to see the benefit to the Celtics of this move. Brad is 100% in GFIN mode; Brogdon is a key piece to that strategy. And too much risk of Morris/Anderson not being available when the dust settles.
 

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If Brogdon got Brad a Clippers protected First and some filler

Turn that filler + 2nds into Monte Morris + Kyle Anderson

Sign Javonte Green to minimum, then Brad can pack for Vegas
Could Brad revisit the original deal with the LAC assets going to Washington and the Memphis ones coming here?
 

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Struggling to see the benefit to the Celtics of this move. Brad is 100% in GFIN mode; Brogdon is a key piece to that strategy. And too much risk of Morris/Anderson not being available when the dust settles.
I like Brogdon off the bench, but there are several benefits to the Celtics dealing for Anderson/Morris:
1. Kyle's solid defense against 4s + good Corner3 shooter over the last few seasons. Replaces Grant if he gets pricey.
2. Monte's exceptional ball security + 3pt shooting from the bench (consistently positive On-Off & +/- over his career)
3. Both are on 1yr deals, just when the roster will get pricey.
4. Saves $3.5MM in total this season to sign a vet (Javonte Green)
5. Gives Brad another 1st, he's good with those
6. With KP, Brogdon goes from #3 scoring option on the Celtics to #4...I like the idea of adding some D & more of a distributor at PG with the changing roster construction. Also feel the Celtics will go double BIG and need depth there with KP/Al/TL.

I wouldn't want Brad to move Brogdon unless he had those 2 lined up.

Could Brad revisit the original deal with the LAC assets going to Washington and the Memphis ones coming here?
Although very similar I like Morris a hair better than Jones & he's cheaper.
 
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Struggling to see the benefit to the Celtics of this move. Brad is 100% in GFIN mode; Brogdon is a key piece to that strategy. And too much risk of Morris/Anderson not being available when the dust settles.
Morris is one of those guys who went from everyone calling him underrated to actually being overrated with everyone loving him so much. Same with Delon Wright imo. Now I can dig me some Slo-Mo. I'm not really sure what you mean by not being available....you mean injuries? Both have been more durable than Brogdon espeically Slo-Mo