You can probably relax about Collins. Kyed also noted that he was at Gillette on Sunday morning and was hoping to give it a go but was sent home. If there was a concern about an IR related illness he probably wouldn't have been at the stadium.
Harmon and Hightower spotted at practice as well, which is good news given that both had minor issues in Sunday.
Stork is a heck of a football player. Comes in last year as a rookie and immediately becomes an excellent NFL center. Then misses the start of this season and in his first game back doesn't play center, or even guard (the other interior line positions). No, he fills in at right tackle of all places, and performs pretty well there.
Absolutely (although he did start the game at Guard and had 1 snap at Center).
Going with my fiance, my parents, and her parents. They are Giants' fans and have had season tix about 20 rows behind the end zone (I think sec 128 or 129) since the team played in The Toilet. This weekend is the first time all four parents are meeting. Fun stuff. Might have been impossible to do this without the SB win last season, much easier now to play along with Giants fans about '07 and '11.
I just am going on what others have said here about his knees. It might be nothing but then again, who knows. I would imagine if they are that thin on the line, if Andrews can go, he will.
That's from me I think -- no indication he's out, just that the PFW In Progress guys said he was icing his knee after Sunday's game and implied he was dealing with something.
Which doesn't address the throwaways that should have been called referenced in his post. Which is damn near impossible to figure out unless you chart every single throw.
Well, no:
This is verifiably untrue claim, debunked by just a few moments of googling. It is a lazy assertion, made from an (admitted) insufficient sample size, and it adds nothing to the conversation except for more "everything is biased against the Patriots" - and don't we have enough verifiable evidence to complain about?
I understand what you are getting at, soxfan, and so I did do some research, as I posted previously (see post #46, which took a lot more than a "few moments of googling". But as a matter of technical fact, my claim is not "verifiably untrue". I did not claim that it never happened. I just said that I've never seen it. And later I said it could have happened, just that I hadn't seen it before myself. I've seen hundreds and hundreds of football games and I've never seen that call made against anyone - including Brady - besides those two times. It probably has happened, but it's not just a few moments of googling, I don't think. That's a pretty massive research project to find out how often either passes thrown out of the end zone or passes down the middle of the field to nobody are called IG.
Exactly. They haven't promoted anyone yet to take Lewis' spot on the roster. If Cannon, Jackson, and Vollmer aren't going to be ready then they will almost certainly promote an OL PS guy so they have a back-up G. Based on what they did last week (having only one back-up beyond TE Williams in Stork) I wouldn't expect them to promote 2 -- they'd have to cut somebody.Andrews icing his knee doesn't necessarily mean anything, right guys???
What's going on with Cannon's toe anyway? It's been like a month.
OL Players listed on NE Practice squad (since yesterday's additions of Milton and Wilson):
Barker, Chris OL 6-2 300# 2 years experience (seems to play strictly G)
Clausell, Blaine OL 6-6 339# Rookie (seems to play strictly LT, hello Blaine)
Milton, Keavon OL 6-4 324# 2 years experience (experience seems to be as a blocking TE)
Wilson, Torrian OL 6-2 318# Rookie (most of his experience seems to be at LT)
Depending on what happens with Jackson/Cannon/Vollmer, wouldn't it make sense to promote a couple of these guys?
+1.
Ok cool. I appreciate your words here. And for the record, I never would argue that those two calls against Brady were part of some plan by the NFL to screw the Pats. I just think they were odd calls that happened to go against the Pats in critical times and that sucks, but what can you do?
Adding on to this, I compared the league-wide IG rate versus Tom Brady for the past 5 full years (2014-2010), and it looks like we're not being homers about this -- Brady definitely gets called for IG at a higher rate than the league at large, 1 IG penalty/119 incompletions versus 1 IG/188 incompletions for the entire league.
This, plus sack rate. Brady has known better since his knee injury when to just eat it and take a sack. He never throws the worst kind of interception: the "I'm just gonna heave this somewhere" thing that happens with (bad) quarterbacks on a regular basis. When Brady throws it away, it is an obvious throwaway. That, and the fact he doesn't break the pocket so much as slide around inside it makes him more likely to get an IG penalty.
I don't see Brady throwing the ball away in an obvious manner very often. Isn't his preferred move the low throw at the feet/in the vicinity of a receiver, specifically to avoid a turnover and an intentional ground penalty?
Giants are last in the NFL in sacks with 9. The Pats are tied for second with 27. Chandler Jones has 9.5 by himself.
What's he going to do if he gets to Brady? Take his brownies out of the oven?
It is mind-boggling to me (no pun intended) that Edelman hasn't landed on these reports with a concussion. Holding my breath.
Agreed. The whole "back up your points with evidence!1!" mantra, while obviously a good policy in general, often gets badly overplayed around here. In this case, it was pretty clearly a silly overreaction to an innocuous post.
There is no such exception. The ball must be catchable. The only time the out of bounds exception would apply is if the QB goes outside the tackle box. Even if he's back in the box when he makes the throw, the tackle box basically disappears for good once the QB steps outside the box. Then he can throw the ball out of bounds, provided it goes beyond the line of scrimmage.
You're wrong. First, the site rules have always encouraged, and required, members to put effort into their posts. It's not just a good general policy - it's what distinguishes SoSH from other boards. As stated, memory lane and remember when is encouraged over at PatsFans.com and the RemyReport.com - If effort ain't your thing, you'll be happier there.
I'm not trying to be a jerk, nor to further this thread's digression, but isn't this sort of post exactly what you're complaining about re: lack of hard evidence and effort? You make at least one definitive assertion that, as you said earlier in this thread, is easily countered by the briefest Google search: "[Brady] never throws the worst kind of interception." (The Lane INT in the last Super Bowl offers another example.) You're also presenting your opinion as fact ("When Brady throws it away, it is an obvious throwaway").
Why? It's a crap post and you're good to point out the problems.I was imprecise, didn't cite an example and made an unsupported assertion.
KFP is also a better moderator than I am. This whole digression exists because I tried something other than "shut the fuck up".The kinder, gentler Kenny F'ing Powers
I agree completely. And part of what makes it so hard was Coughlin's approach, as pointed out this week in an espn.com article:
There are a bunch of other exceptions, too. E.g. any contact by a defender with the ball, or with the QB that affects the throw, can negate the call. If the QB receives the ball and immediately throws it at the ground, there's no IG even if pressure gets through and he's in danger of a sack (the spike rule, which is incredibly dumb IMO).
