Yeah, this too has been a nice development from him this year. He's kind of stubby and not a leaper, so he has to be careful going up around the rim. But he's also smart, and he can use that big body to push people off him to create space. Good to see his offensive game expand (though, to be fair, judging from his college clips, he had a fairly full offensive game; it was just a question of how much of it would translate to the NBA).Grant is getting really frisky off the dribble now. Given his age and how little he's done it in the NBA prior, it's possible there's significant upside left in that part of his game.
Offensively, he's starting to remind a bit me of Jae Crowder. Crowder's main offensive skills were hitting threes (sometimes; he shot 35% in his 3 years as a Celtic), driving closeouts, and not turning the ball over. Grant looks like a better shooter and he is developing the ability to drive closeouts. On the other hand, next to Celtic Crowder, Grant has been a turnover machine (in his first 2 years, turnover rate twice as high despite considerably lower usage). But he had reduced his turnover rate considerably this year, from 17.6% and 17.2% in his first 2 years to 11.5% this year.Grant is getting really frisky off the dribble now. Given his age and how little he's done it in the NBA prior, it's possible there's significant upside left in that part of his game.
Just 23, he definitely has more upside, would like to see him continue to get leaner. Grant is best when he hustles and fronts in the post. His perimeter and help defense would continue to get better with a hair more quickness/hops. His college body type is where he needs to be IMO.Grant is getting really frisky off the dribble now. Given his age and how little he's done it in the NBA prior, it's possible there's significant upside left in that part of his game.
We'll have to agree to disagree on Grant's ability to carry Al's jockstrap.The defensive ISO numbers match the eye test. While we all love Al Horford, the C's aren't paying $26.5MM to continue the AL nostalgia tour after Jan. '23. Maybe Al will extend at a cheaper rate? If not Brad's hands aren't tied, Grant can slide into that role. Horford/picks should return a decent player. Brad has done a nice job on the major moves while on the job for only 9 months.
Ha I only get triggered when morons now call Grant a BIG.
Al, back-up Center, probably triggers Al's agent since they rarely earn more than the MLE
you see Brad paying full freight for Horford next season?We'll have to agree to disagree on Grant's ability to carry Al's jockstrap.
No idea what Brad thinks, but I'd think an extension at a lower number would be in both sides interests.you see Brad paying full freight for Horford next season?
I just don't see it happening
I could see scenarios where they hold him through the deadline in case a deal materializes where he's the matching money, while being willing to keep him for on-court if that deal doesn't happen.you see Brad paying full freight for Horford next season?
I just don't see it happening
Brad has until the middle of next season to figure out the best course, there is a lot of time value embedded in that option.I could see scenarios where they hold him through the deadline in case a deal materializes where he's the matching money, while being willing to keep him for on-court if that deal doesn't happen.
The team looks like it's planning to be in the tax next year, but it won't be by that much unless it uses a TPE, so there's something to be said for keeping good players around.
Extension doesn't make much sense at the age Horford will be. Guys really fall off a cliff then.
But if Al is going to a solid contributor next year, and perhaps even the year after, you don't mind having him as dead weight the third year.Extension doesn't make much sense at the age Horford will be. Guys really fall off a cliff then.
I imagine Al says NO, if you are asking him to rip up next year's contractBut if Al is going to a solid contributor next year, and perhaps even the year after, you don't mind having him as dead weight the third year.
Who says no to a 3/21 extension?
yea, that may have been too aggresive,Al says no, if you are asking him to rip up next year's contract
It's very tricky. Patience by Brad (unless an attractive deal appears in the summer) will probably serve the Celtics' best interests
That's probably the ballpark (but who knows, we all got Horford's last deal/extension way wrong)yea, that may have been too aggresive,
How about a 3/30? That gives him an additional 16 million in guaranteed money
yea, that may have been too aggresive,
How about a 3/30? That gives him an additional 16 million in guaranteed money
I think that's a pipe dream. Al is more likely to play out his full deal and collect his full $26.5M than he is to be cut before Jan 2023 and lose $12M. (Also, if Philly makes the finals in 2022 the guarantee goes up to $19M and the guarantee becomes full if Philly wins the finals).That's probably the ballpark (but who knows, we all got Horford's last deal/extension way wrong)
If that's the course they want to go down, "extending Al", Brad waits to offer that in Jan '23
I'd think the escalators in his contract would be bound by the Celtics making or winning the Finals (not Philly), right?I think that's a pipe dream. Al is more likely to play out his full deal and collect his full $26.5M than he is to be cut before Jan 2023 and lose $12M. (Also, if Philly makes the finals in 2022 the guarantee goes up to $19M and the guarantee becomes full if Philly wins the finals).
If the Celtics want to extend Al now, I think they need to gurantee his $26.5M and maybe extend at 2/$30M or something. No way, looking at $26.5M for next year and still playing at a high level, he's going to seek to committ himself for 2 more years for a total of just $3.5M.
If he were cut next year, he could hook on with the contender of his choice for cheap (say $1M). That leaves him $11M short of his guaranteed deal. To still beat the 3/$30, he would just need to find someone willing to offer 2/$15, less than the MLE. And that's his reasonable worst case scenario.
Pretty sure that incentive clauses like those go with the team so it's not PHI's results that matter, it's BOS>(Also, if Philly makes the finals in 2022 the guarantee goes up to $19M and the guarantee becomes full if Philly wins the finals).
All the reason to not give up on Nesmith just yet. Don't expect this outcome for Nesmith but willing to give him one more crack at it this summer and next year. If Williams can develop into 40+ from downtown, Nesmith certainly has it in him if he ever stops spazzing out there.Agree with both of those posts.
Grant developed the skills that he needs to earn pro minutes...in the pros. It's a testament to his coachability and work ethic and frankly makes last year's fat year so confusing.
But now that the game has fully slowed down for him, his BBIQ and savvy has emerged. He looks like the kid who was SEC PoY. He has gone from tweener, undersized big to shooting wing slash on ball beef, and he is gonna get paid.
No doubt. Nesmith has a high energy level on defense, even if some poor technique. If that guy also could shoot like Pritchard at 6'5", he has value. Too early to give up on that.All the reason to not give up on Nesmith just yet. Don't expect this outcome for Nesmith but willing to give him one more crack at it this summer and next year. If Williams can develop into 40+ from downtown, Nesmith certainly has it in him if he ever stops spazzing out there.
To show how versatile he is.Batman is DC so why is he going all Marvel?
With Grant, he's already 40%+ (along w/ PP). It's more of a volume issue than an accuracy/% question with those two moving forward. Expect IME to keep inching up their mins/roles next season.All the reason to not give up on Nesmith just yet. Don't expect this outcome for Nesmith but willing to give him one more crack at it this summer and next year. If Williams can develop into 40+ from downtown, Nesmith certainly has it in him if he ever stops spazzing out there.
Seriously, especially Batman.Grant can't nickname himself.
I'm calling him 3-bone
Somehow this ends with Pritchard getting dubbed 3-bone and Grant will have to settle for Granty, doesn’t it?Grant can't nickname himself.
I'm calling him 3-bone
I generally like the "productive college player" picks late 1st/2nd round. But I didn't love the Grant pick. Then I saw the basketball smarts as a rookie and was a fan, and then fell off bandwagon as he got bigger and team struggled to figure out how to use him. Now that it's clicked, I'm back to being a big fan.But now that the game has fully slowed down for him, his BBIQ and savvy has emerged. He looks like the kid who was SEC PoY. He has gone from tweener, undersized big to shooting wing slash on ball beef, and he is gonna get paid.
How much of his run overall is effectively replacing Tatum in the lineup? That's a huge downgrade no matter what Grant does and especially given Celts bench was pretty weak for more than half the year, could combine to drive that.I've been enjoying the Grant revival, but it's interesting to note that the +/- numbers still don't love him, especially on offense. I wonder if it has to do with his role (pretty much exclusively corner threes).
I'd say Grant is a good role/complementary player that plays well with the top players/startersI've been enjoying the Grant revival, but it's interesting to note that the +/- numbers still don't love him, especially on offense. I wonder if it has to do with his role (pretty much exclusively corner threes).
There just aren't many guys who are that strong, can move their feet, contest shots, and hit 3s. Calling him a JAG is slander at this point.Pay him whatever he wants.
KOC and Zach Lowe were saying they think he's going to get at least 15 per.At this point, I think if they were able to sign him for anything under 4/50 it’s good business.
I am hoping that both sides recognize that they are better with each other and a 4/48 deal can be reached.
It’s astonishing how much better he is this year than last year. He was my least favorite player on the team last year and I honestly thought he’d be traded for scraps just to open a roster spot.
Now he’s a legitimate playoff weapon
At this point you hope for a TL deal, but the genie is out of the bottle. Unless his agent is a complete moron he asks for Duncan Robinson $$$ and probably settles for 4yr/$60MM extensionAt this point, I think if they were able to sign him for anything under 4/50 it’s good business.
I am hoping that both sides recognize that they are better with each other and a 4/48 deal can be reached.
It’s astonishing how much better he is this year than last year. He was my least favorite player on the team last year and I honestly thought he’d be traded for scraps just to open a roster spot.
Now he’s a legitimate playoff weapon