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This guy has a negative outlook about the Apple Watch no idea if he is anyone. (Senior editor at Fusion??)
jayhoz said:
I can't get it to show either iPhone 6 as an option for size comps. However it's interesting to compare the old HTC One (same screen size, similar dimensions as the 6) with the G3. The HTC (iPhone 6) doesn't look that much smaller but the screen size difference is dramatic. No doubt they did a great job maximizing the screen size while keeping the device as manageable as possible with the G3.
I saw a link making fun of people who are down on this watch, it was a link to the reaction to the first iPod announcement. But you know what, the first iPod aside from being small was actually kind of shit. It was only 5gb (I had a 20gb player at the time the size of a discman), it only worked if you had a Mac (which weren't terribly competitive at the time), and it only worked over firewire. By the 3rd generation I went out and bought one, but yeah people have odd memories of 1.0 Apple products. Even the first iPad was dramatically improved upon by the second in less than a year.
Salmon is one of the better finance writers out there. He's not a tech guy, but he's smart and non-reactionary, so I'm not sure his opinion carries any less weight than a dedicated tech writer.Silverdude2167 said:
I'm pretty down on the watch, largely because it seems impossibly clunky. The key to Apple stuff has always been the degree to which "it just works", and the Watch didn't give off that vibe yet. It's too big, the battery life is a problem, and it's kind of annoying to be moving away from touch screen technology to an analog dial of some sort.
The phone is a huge deal for me meanwhile. Mobile payments are long overdue, and this goes a long way towards no longer needing to carry a wallet.
saintnick912 said:
One difference might be: Apple is embracing the jewelry angle and emphasizing personal style all the way to the high end. They didn't announce the expensive side of the price matrix for the Edition models but I'm guessing you can get into 4 figures if you really want to. They're placing this device on the upscale jewelry spectrum (and charging those kind of prices) for an item that will become obsolete in a year or so. Now, they're not charging Breguet or Blancpain or Rolex prices, but they're way past brands like Swatch and Nixon on the low end. Either way, I think they're in the pricing tier where, if you were to buy a traditional watch, what have you only gets more valuable with time, and it has a sense of timelessness. The Apple Watch, on the other hand, is guaranteed not only to work worse over time (both because of age and compared to newer versions of itself) but also look dumber (like an iPhone 1 does today). Who's going to want to be flashing a first-gen Apple Watch in 2017?
Perhaps it'll turn out not to be a huge deal; maybe there's turnover to be discovered and new rules apply. But if I have disposable "personal effects" income, I still think a kick-ass, expensive traditional watch is more attractive and more eternally stylish than a soon-to-be outdated Apple Watch.
(I reserve the right to eat these words when I see how next years' models look.)
The security of the mobile payment is what hooks me. It's chip and PIN with your thumbprint which is basically unfakeable (the thumbprint). The absolute scorn I've received from people overseas who can't believe we rely on scribbled signatures to pay with credit cards woke me up. I'm all in on the mobile payments if it integrates well with My current Apple ecosystem.
I agree that the first version of the watch isn't inspiring. But also agree that first version of all Apple products are uninspiring. Combined with the advances in the new phone, I can see this taking off soon.
I agree that the first version of the watch isn't inspiring. But also agree that first version of all Apple products are uninspiring. Combined with the advances in the new phone, I can see this taking off soon.
I don't like carrying a large wallet in my pockets. It chafes, it causes wear and tear in my pants, and is generally annoying. You're right I'd still need to carry a driver's license, but I already use my phone as my insurance ID card. I use cash maybe once every 2 weeks as is, so that's not a big issue either. It would let me reduce a wallet to a moneyclip at least, and less if I wasn't expecting to go out drinking. A lot of it obviously depends on adoption - I'm naively expecting the MTA to let Apple integrate this into their upcoming NFC system for instance.BigSoxFan said:
The other ApplePay advantage isn't just from replacing your wallet, but by letting me doing financial transactions through my stored credit cards rather than entering in a new card number for every purchase I make on my phone. Again, this depends on adoption, and how much shopping you're doing on your phone.
T4P has it. Apple is taking security pretty seriously. They may not use PIN the way it's used with debit, but they'll have multi-factor authentication by using your fingerprint and location to identify where you are at the time the location is taking place. They are also talking about storing account details and generated one time use cards, so if someone gets hold of it, no biggie.
Now that's awesome for security, but a bit terrifying when you start to consider that they identified a bunch of apps that will be integrated with this payment.
A one act play:
Siri says, "Hambone - it's 1:08 AM on a weeknight. Would you like to order an Uber and take you to local bar, which is currently offering 20% off drafts when you pay with ApplePay?"
Now that's awesome for security, but a bit terrifying when you start to consider that they identified a bunch of apps that will be integrated with this payment.
A one act play:
Siri says, "Hambone - it's 1:08 AM on a weeknight. Would you like to order an Uber and take you to local bar, which is currently offering 20% off drafts when you pay with ApplePay?"
bowiac said:
That'd just be crazy.
http://www.fastcompany.com/1813345/exclusive-look-inside-mta-mastercard-paypass-pilot-17000-nyc-customers-six-months
Note - I have zero (ok little) inside knowledge, but I think one of the Apple demos showed the iWatch opening doors at hotel rooms. Some Hyatts use Contactless technology vs the basic key cards and I do know enough about the chip that it was support all those protocols, so would expect many more announcements. Similar to StNick said it won't be perfect or happen overnight as a lot of people need to update a lot of technology to make this ubiquitous, but a lot of cool shit was unveiled today. Then to T4P's point if implemented properly, it can be pretty damn secure.
To think we're not that far removed from lighting houses at night with boiled whale fat.
Papelbon's Poutine said:
Dude this is the worst. My MotoX is eight billion times horribler at this though. I can't tell you how many overage charges I have because wireless is kind of ass in the baby's room and I just shut off wireless (and subsequently forget that I did).
I've gone walletless* during the work week and it is glorious. My work has a touchless payment system so all I have in my pocket is my phone. Being able to extend that beyond the confines of the office would be awesome.
* I do have a slim card case in my laptop bag with my license and credit cards should I need to stop somewhere on my commute.
* I do have a slim card case in my laptop bag with my license and credit cards should I need to stop somewhere on my commute.
If it could ever get to the point (and I don't know if this is possible) where you can store things like my office badge and hotel room keys and key fobs...then well damn. That would be awesome.
I have just enough things in my wallet to make if necessary and annoying. Going wallet-less would be a dream.
I have just enough things in my wallet to make if necessary and annoying. Going wallet-less would be a dream.
It's certainly possible. I have a setting on my (Android 4.4.2) phone to "not use Wi-Fi networks with poor internet connectivity" which has worked pretty well. It takes a bit to figure it out in both directions but it beats having to toggle settings and forgetting because you faintly picked up some Starbucks three doors down.Papelbon's Poutine said:
Same here. Also happens when you leave your house and the phone clings to one bar of wifi even though you're way past the effective data transfer zone. Hell, it happens to me when I go past a Starbucks on the bus - my connection will drop because the phone latches on to a sliver of accessible but crap wifi signal.Papelbon's Poutine said:
I have no idea why iOS a) thinks terrible wifi is better than strong LTE, b) why it doesn't switch you faster, or c) why you can't specify a lower limit to how weak wifi can be and still take priority over cell data. An ideal solution - and I don't know if this is feasible from a network engineering perspective - would be to blend both when wifi isn't strong. If you're on the bar patio and wifi is crawling, supplement with cell networking. The phone could do it smartly, so backups never used cell, etc.
AFAIK iOS 8 doesn't address this but I haven't used the beta yet.
jayhoz said:
Thanks for posting that site, it's great. I wasted way too much time on it this morning.
I wish Apple shrunk the bezel a bit, especially at the top, but apple would never do that as it's not going to look right.
In terms of preference, I would take the larger size on the iPhone for the benefits of Touch ID. I'm know for a fact I could never go back to a phone without it (or something like it). We're required to have a passcode for work,so it's a game changer for me.
If you guys have Comcast at home, you're going to HATE that Comcast started to blanket entire cities with scattered hotspots. When I'm walking to the train in the morning my phone gets hung up on a handful of weak signals, making iMessage hang up. I mean, the solution to this seems pretty simple: have a setting in which if the accelerometer (or the pedometer built into the A7 chip) is engaged by the user walking, do not try to connect to new wifi connections. Would it really be harder than that? And if a user is using this for GPS accuracy, it will know when the user is moving at a speed faster than humanly possible, so it would still leverage wifi to help out navigation.
This is interesting about Apple Pay. They get money from banks for each transaction (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-09-10/apple-said-to-reap-fees-from-banks-in-new-payment-system.html)
Do other NFC systems have the same kick back, if not how did Apple pull this off? Why would banks agree to this?
Apple is really good at making money, they tend to be late to the game but they never just dip their toe in.
Do other NFC systems have the same kick back, if not how did Apple pull this off? Why would banks agree to this?
Apple is really good at making money, they tend to be late to the game but they never just dip their toe in.
Why not just rename your home SSID? Problem solved. You won't connect to the Comcast ones, unless you choose to.
NortheasternPJ said:
It's not related to my home wifi, I should clarify this. It's the same issue as the Starbucks wifi thing. I have a cafe I work from on Friday mornings which uses Comcast wifi, and their new wifi network has the same SSID.
Ubiquitous hotspots are great in theory, but this issue makes them more of an annoyance than anything.
Papelbon's Poutine said:
I've complained about this elsewhere. I wholeheartedly endorse this. It's by far the worst part of the mobile phone experience.
THANK YOU for pointing out that setting in Android. My wifi works great in the house, except for in my bedroom. Hopefully it not only helps that issue, but the issue above mentioned when you grab a tenuous automatic connection to 'xfinitiywifi'
mt8thsw9th said:
Yeah, I have Comcast so I have access to xfinitywifi, but I hate having to forget that network after using it in a cafe. The iPhone seems to pick up the faintest semblance of a connection when you're in a bus or going down a street. Even worse, I live in an apartment building filled with Comcast subscribers so when I enter the lobby I connect to someone's xfinitywifi network (since Comcast by default makes everyone's cable modem broadcast a separate public hotspot), and I can't get the iPhone to switch over to my much faster home network without having to manually go to settings to change it.
Papelbon's Poutine said:
iOS 7 was SUPPOSED to fix this, I think, but it really hasn't. I'm hopeful they've got it working better in 8.
http://www.maclife.com/article/news/ios_7_allows_cellular_and_wifi_connections_run_simultaneously
Lefties for the phone (although it doesn't say how):
http://gizmodo.com/apple-watch-hands-on-so-much-potential-in-such-a-shiny-1632612406?utm_source=recirculation&utm_medium=recirculation&utm_campaign=tuesdayPM
http://gizmodo.com/apple-watch-hands-on-so-much-potential-in-such-a-shiny-1632612406?utm_source=recirculation&utm_medium=recirculation&utm_campaign=tuesdayPM
weeba said:
Mac Rumors addressed the lefty thing:
http://www.macrumors.com/2014/09/09/apple-watch-interface-orientation-choice/
I think the simple answer is banks that don't kick in, wouldn't get access to Apple Pay. I'm on extreme periphery of wanting to pay for everything with my phone, so obviously take this with a grain of salt, but I expect to abandon any credit cards that don't let me use it.Silverdude2167 said:
derekson said:
I'm on iOS 8, for what it's worth. Unless it's fixed in the GM (I'm still on the last beta), then it's still a problem.
Does anyone recall how off contract phones work? Will they be released on September 19, or is there a delay? I'm a Verizon unlimited guy desperately trying to hold on.
No delay- it's the same phone, just not subsidized. Walk in to an Apple store on release date and tell them you want to pay full freight for a Verizon compatible 6.
Instead of a clunky watch that you need a phone to use, the phone and the watch should both be replaced by a wristband.
It could hold a bigger battery, you wouldn't have to hold onto anything or take anything out of your pocket to talk into the phone, and you wouldn't have to carry anything in your pocket. You could have the same size screen as most phones now.
It could hold a bigger battery, you wouldn't have to hold onto anything or take anything out of your pocket to talk into the phone, and you wouldn't have to carry anything in your pocket. You could have the same size screen as most phones now.
mt8thsw9th said:
I consider myself a regular, but not avid, reader of tech columns. Seems from this thread that everyone who uses the iPhone experiences the same frustration with the phone clinging on to weak wifi signals, but I've never seen it written about. Do tech writers just not inhabit the same world?
I'm fairly consistently at 7-9GB/month. I could probably lower this some if needed, as I don't use wifi in the house, because LTE is faster. On the other hand, data usage only tends to increase...Silverdude2167 said:
My understanding of the pricing structure is that I'm currently paying $30/month for unlimited data, vs. around $80-90 for a pay as go plan. I generally upgrade my phone every 2 years, so I'm losing a $450 subsidy every two years vs. saving ~$1000-1200 on data charges over that same time.
That is a good question. They made a point of saying nothing was stored on your phone so I would guess not. Of course most stores have service and if you are in a rural enough area where you have no service I would not expect the option to be available to the user.crow216 said:
If Apple Pay requires an Internet connection, wait for the hold up as people try to use Apple Pay in Starbucks and can't get it to work because the phone connected itself to the Starbucks wifi and the user hasn't accepted the terms and conditions.
It is rumored that Apple will black ball a writer/site if they write negative things about Apple products. It is rare that you will see very many negative pieces unless it is a major issue that can not be ignored.singaporesoxfan said:
It is the internet so take comments with a very small grain of salt, but if you looked at them yesterday you would have seen a lot of comments like "last year you said these large screen sizes were terrible and should not be on phones. What changed?". Most tech media is in Apples corner.
For example, I have seen far more columns praising the Apple Watch than critiquing it and maybe I am letting my personal opinion cloud what I am seeing but I feel like the most people were unimpressed and have a lot of questions. That should tell you how the tech media reports on Apple.
My understanding, based on bloggers expressing concern that iCloud won't always be able to remotely disable Apple Pay, is that Apple Pay will not require an internet connection.
While I don't actually agree with your observations (I feel most of the mainstream Watch coverage has been agnostic/skeptical, they have made fun of Apple for introducing a phablet), I also think you're reading too much into blackball conspiracy theories here. The tech media may be generally hesitant to make fun of the Watch because the last two product that many of them made fun of, the iPhone and iPad, were runaway best sellers. I think a lot tech reporters have acknowledged that Apple deserves the benefit of the doubt about new product lines.Silverdude2167 said:
Mainstream tech writers don't write too much negative stuff about Apple for the same reason mainstream basketball writers don't write too much negative stuff about the Spurs. The success has been so overwhelming that it's hard to do without risking sounding silly.
This is true, but the original question was why don't we hear more about these issues that seem to constantly happen. It is a fair question.bowiac said: