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singaporesoxfan said:
 
I consider myself a regular, but not avid, reader of tech columns. Seems from this thread that everyone who uses the iPhone experiences the same frustration with the phone clinging on to weak wifi signals, but I've never seen it written about. Do tech writers just not inhabit the same world?
 
I'm not a tech writer per se, but I actually did write it up a couple years ago. 
 

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On the Watch's requirement to be tethered to a phone, has anyone seen how "complete" that is? For instance, while I avoid physical exercise at all costs, can someone go running with just the watch and have it at least do bluetooth music and biometric stuff?
 

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My guess is it will store the biometrics and sync once you are in BT range of the phone, but it will not have enough on-board memory for music, but I could be wrong.
 

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My guess is it will store the biometrics and sync once you are in BT range of the phone, but it will not have enough on-board memory for music, but I could be wrong.
Flash memory is so small and cheap that I have to imagine the memory limitations won't be an issue.
 

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bowiac said:
Flash memory is so small and cheap that I have to imagine the memory limitations won't be an issue.
 
I think if this was part of the plan they would had screamed it during the presentation since there isn't a smartwatch on the market that has this feature.
 

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This is true, but the original question was why don't we hear more about these issues that seem to constantly happen. It is a fair question.
Because this is a problem that hampers almost every smartphone. They've made it seamless on every platform (android, apple, and windows) to turn wifi on and off with no interruption to service. If it can be fixed, great, but I don't really think it moves the needle for anyone.

If you're someone that would switch platforms just for that issue, you're in the minority.
 

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Because this is a problem that hampers almost every smartphone. They've made it seamless on every platform (android, apple, and windows) to turn wifi on and off with no interruption to service. If it can be fixed, great, but I don't really think it moves the needle for anyone.

If you're someone that would switch platforms just for that issue, you're in the minority.
I would probably change my dataplan with this feature. Most of my high data usage is the result of poor WiFi in parts of my house and office, so I always just leave it off. If it would reliably switch between WiFi and LTE, I'd move to a metered plan. Would save me $450.
 
Which is to say, this feature means a lot to me, but I appreciate I'm in the minority.
 

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Because this is a problem that hampers almost every smartphone. They've made it seamless on every platform (android, apple, and windows) to turn wifi on and off with no interruption to service. If it can be fixed, great, but I don't really think it moves the needle for anyone.

If you're someone that would switch platforms just for that issue, you're in the minority.
 
Strikes me that Apple has a long history of doing things in their iOS updates that improve the user experience even if they don't move the needle for people to switch platforms. I love the entire Control Center in iOS 7, with the ease of access to the flashlight and the camera, but I don't think it moves the needle either. Which was why I asked the question. It strikes me as very un-Apple to ignore one of the most unpleasant parts of the user experience just because it hampers almost every smartphone, even if you could argue that the problem is "out of their control" (which I don't think it is), and I was wondering whether something in the way Apple designers and tech writers use their devices means they don't get bugged by the same problem on a regular basis.
 

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What I meant was that it has an impact on every smartphone but not every user suffers. I don't know because I have good wifi wherever I am. I would have never thought of this as an issue.
 

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I guess that gets to the answer to my question - perhaps tech writers don't recognize the problem because they are presumably in good wifi environments most of the time, but you can see from this thread how PP's initial post struck a cord with a lot of people.
 

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bowiac said:
Flash memory is so small and cheap that I have to imagine the memory limitations won't be an issue.
You'd think but even full size phones have crippling memory limitations.  The iphone 5 came stock with, what, 16GB with a max of 64?
 

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From what I've read, you'll be able to play music and track how many steps and workout intensity and such without the phone and just the watch, but you won't be able to get a map of your route without connecting to the iPhone for GPS.
 

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From what I've read, you'll be able to play music and track how many steps and workout intensity and such without the phone and just the watch, but you won't be able to get a map of your route without connecting to the iPhone for GPS.
The watch doesn't have native GPS? As someone that runs a bit, and knows a lot of runners, that's a deal breaker for this being useful as a standalone exercise product (with the caveat that you could have your phone with you). These days, GPS is basically a must for anyone running/training.
 

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Mapping requires a data connection. A data connection requires a radio(s) which require a decent amount of physical space. Data connections also require a data plan and often a sim card. Hence the use of the phone as a tether to data.

Edit- I suppose you could store limited map data locally for your runs. You'd still need the GPS chip crammed in there though.
 

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crow216 said:
Because this is a problem that hampers almost every smartphone. They've made it seamless on every platform (android, apple, and windows) to turn wifi on and off with no interruption to service. If it can be fixed, great, but I don't really think it moves the needle for anyone.

If you're someone that would switch platforms just for that issue, you're in the minority.
The thing is, it has been mostly fixed for everyone else.

Android's approach (test the quality/speed of the connection before offloading to wifi) has solved this issue for a lot of people. It's like Seinfeld and rental cars - iOS switches to access points without seeing if quality internet is available, which defeats the purpose of switching. My GS4 sometimes switches to 4G when I'm at home because it detects that wifi internet is too slow.

Even Windows desktop tests networks now - it's a behind scenes thing that could solve iOS users a headache without complicating their experience.
 

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The thing is, it has been mostly fixed for everyone else.

Android's approach (test the quality/speed of the connection before offloading to wifi) has solved this issue for a lot of people. It's like Seinfeld and rental cars - iOS switches to access points without seeing if quality internet is available, which defeats the purpose of switching. My GS4 sometimes switches to 4G when I'm at home because it detects that wifi internet is too slow.

Even Windows desktop tests networks now - it's a behind scenes thing that could solve iOS users a headache without complicating their experience.
Do you have to configure this? Because my Moto X is ten billion times worse than NY iPhone, which sucks because I have a hard data cap on that sucker
 

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crow216 said:
Because this is a problem that hampers almost every smartphone. They've made it seamless on every platform (android, apple, and windows) to turn wifi on and off with no interruption to service. If it can be fixed, great, but I don't really think it moves the needle for anyone.

If you're someone that would switch platforms just for that issue, you're in the minority.
 
Tasker, the Andoid app, can handle this.   You can program Tasker to only turn on wifi when in range of specific cell towers. So wifi connects to any hotspot when I'm near my house's cell tower or office' tower.  But anywhere else, it just tells me wifi is available, but it doesn't connect to it.
 
Does Apple allow the Tasker app yet?  Or are they still control-freak assholes? [/burningstrawman] ;)
 

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How does that help if home WiFi is a piece of shit?
 
Then don't put your home cell towers on the list.  The point is, you can control whether it connects to wifi based on cell tower location (or other conditions).
 

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How does that help if home WiFi is a piece of shit?
You know, I'm not sure where it is. IIRC, stock Android has a setting somewhere, but Samsung hid it from users. It just works (tm)

Tasker could help with home wifi, but the rule might be more complicated than I have experience with (test connection, if:then, etc). That said, people share their rules online so you may not need to start from scratch.
 

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Then don't put your home cell towers on the list.  The point is, you can control whether it connects to wifi based on cell tower location (or other conditions).
But that is what you were responding to and what we were talking about.

A cell tower has orders of magnitude more range than WiFi. Why would you ever use that tasker recipe (outside of getting around a generic WiFi name that you can't change or something)
 

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You know, I'm not sure where it is. IIRC, stock Android has a setting somewhere, but Samsung hid it from users. It just works (tm)

Tasker could help with home wifi, but the rule might be more complicated than I have experience with (test connection, if:then, etc). That said, people share their rules online so you may not need to start from scratch.
I'll look around. Its one of those problems that I spend 10x more time bitching about rather than fixing.

I upgraded my house to Ruckus boxes so it is better now anyhow.
 

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Add to the fact that I'd much rather have my phone hang onto a weak wifi signal at home than burning through a ton of data without me realizing it. 
 
There's a solution to this issue, but that's not it.
 

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I'll look around. Its one of those problems that I spend 10x more time bitching about rather than fixing.

I upgraded my house to Ruckus boxes so it is better now anyhow.
 
Settings, Wifi, access the submenu drop down, select "advanced", and select "avoid poor internet connections".
 

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Add to the fact that I'd much rather have my phone hang onto a weak wifi signal at home than burning through a ton of data without me realizing it. 
 
There's a solution to this issue, but that's not it.

 
 
You could add a geo location layer to the tasker program.  If you are in physical range of your home wi-fi then use that exclusively.  Doesn't help if you have shitty home wifi.
 

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How are you android users enjoying your 64 bit phones and OS?
 
This is a brag that reveals the braggart's knowledge. The difference - on current flagship devices - between 32 bit and 64 bit is the difference between 300 and 315 horsepower.
 
http://www.techradar.com/us/news/phone-and-communications/mobile-phones/why-64-bit-phones-are-going-to-be-a-big-deal-but-not-yet-1202942
  • Does your iPhone have more than 4 GB of RAM?
    - No, 5s has 1 GB, and 6 is also rumored at 1 GB.
  • How many of the apps run natively in 64-bit mode versus running in 32-bit mode?
    - Numbers not available, but companies typically transition architecture slowly, so likely a small percentage.
One day, 64 bit will be necessary. And it's a nice thing that Apple is pushing it now rather than waiting. It also serves their slow and steady strategy to unify OS X and iOS.
 
But don't mistake that for value. It won't be of significance to smartphones users at least 3 (likely 5+) years from now, well after everyone has gone to 64-bit, just like 64-bit computing wasn't significant to most PC users in 2005 and has become the norm only in the last few years.
 

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zenter said:
 
This is a brag that reveals the braggart's knowledge. The difference - on current flagship devices - between 32 bit and 64 bit is the difference between 300 and 315 horsepower.
 
http://www.techradar.com/us/news/phone-and-communications/mobile-phones/why-64-bit-phones-are-going-to-be-a-big-deal-but-not-yet-1202942
  • Does your iPhone have more than 4 GB of RAM?
    - No, 5s has 1 GB, and 6 is also rumored at 1 GB.
  • How many of the apps run natively in 64-bit mode versus running in 32-bit mode?
    - Numbers not available, but companies typically transition architecture slowly, so likely a small percentage.
One day, 64 bit will be necessary. And it's a nice thing that Apple is pushing it now rather than waiting. It also serves their slow and steady strategy to unify OS X and iOS.
 
But don't mistake that for value. It won't be of significance to smartphones users at least 3 (likely 5+) years from now, well after everyone has gone to 64-bit, just like 64-bit computing wasn't significant to most PC users in 2005 and has become the norm only in the last few years.
 
64-bit programs also take somewhat more memory than 32-bit ones, so moving to 64-bit on platforms with limited RAM and/or CPU cache can be a noticeable performance loss in some cases.
 

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The move to 64 bit meant more than just the ability to address more memory. Specifically for ARM chips, it also means a move from ARMv7 to ARMv8 and doubles the number of registers as well as wider registers, allowing the chip to spend less time executing the same amount of code, and thus increasing power efficiency by spending more time in idle states. But you know ,you can keep spouting the 4 GB RAM thing as if that's the only thing a 64 bit transition helps. Funny how after saying it wasn't a big deal, all of the other ARM chip designer/manufacturers were quick to announce their 64 bit chips in development, isn't it?
 
You could read anandtech here: http://anandtech.com/show/7335/the-iphone-5s-review/4 if you want to actually know more about why the jump to 64 bit actually is a big deal.
 
There is a reason that the A7 chip keeps up with and in some cases outperforms 4 core Snapdragons and 8 core Exynos despite being a dual core chip clocked at a mere 1.3-1.4 GHz.
 

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Is anyone else up and ordering the iPhone?  Game thread?
 
It's 3:05 and I can't get in to AT&T Wireless or the Apple Store to order.  
 

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Is anyone else up and ordering the iPhone?  Game thread?
 
It's 3:05 and I can't get in to AT&T Wireless or the Apple Store to order.
I got in to the AT&T store right at 12:01 but was on the wrong account to upgrade. Now I'm stuck in the VWR.
 

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I got in to the AT&T store right at 12:01 but was on the wrong account to upgrade. Now I'm stuck in the VWR.
Download the new apple store app on your phone - I was able to get through and upgrade directly using the app in about 3 minutes.
 

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I got in (AT&T business site) pretty easily. Five minutes later, completed order for 128GB iPhone 6.

Wanted to pull trigger on 6+, but it's just a but too large for my normal use cases.
 

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Got one order through right away at 3:01 on att.com.  Space Gray 64 iPhone 6.  I'd left the computer on the countdown page since midnight eastern through.  Estimated arrival per the email which came four minutes later is 9/19.
 
Then tried to order for my wife and didn't get back in until like 3:07.  Gold 16 iPhone 6.  Still no email.  Going back to sleep.
 
 
Stupid that you can't do this all in one transaction.
 

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Here on the west coast, forgot this was happening. Saw the thread and tried giving it a shot. Verizon site coughs up an error message after you select the phone specs, and the Apple Store phone app says the Space Gray 6 options are all "currently unavailable."  I'll just wait.
 

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64 GB Space Gray 6 off of AT&T for my girlfriend. In and out, no problems.
 

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Just checked again before heading to sleep, and the Space Gray 6 was ready to go for Verizon on the Apple Store app. Ordered a 64 GB.  Thanks for the heads up on the app.
 

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Ordered when I woke up. 64GB space gray. No delay whatsoever and got an email saying 9/19 delivery.
 

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Just ordered via the Apple Store app. Whole thing took three minutes.
Attempting to do this while waiting on my car being serviced. Is there really no way to change the shipping address on the Apple Store app?
 

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Not sure. I changed the credit card they had for me, and did so on the last page before finalizing my order. Maybe it can be done there?
 

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Attempting to do this while waiting on my car being serviced. Is there really no way to change the shipping address on the Apple Store app?
There is. On the order summary page it shows the shipping address and you can tap to change it.