Joe Posnanski: Lord of Lists

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Or maybe his recent silence on the Paterno subject is because he'd rather let the book speak for itself and stand or fail on its own merits.
That's a possibility, but given the timing of all this, and especially the Freeh report, either Joe never sleeps or the book and Joe stand a greater chance of failing on the merits because his attention is now on other things. I would hate that to be the case.
 

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Maybe, but I think Joe has at least earned the right to let the book actually be read before everyone jumps on him. There are lots of assumptions that Joe defends Paterno in the book, etc, but until the book is out we don't really know, and to me it would be a shame to condemn the guy without actually reading what's supposedly condemning him.
 

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Maybe, but I think Joe has at least earned the right to let the book actually be read before everyone jumps on him. There are lots of assumptions that Joe defends Paterno in the book, etc, but until the book is out we don't really know, and to me it would be a shame to condemn the guy without actually reading what's supposedly condemning him.
Fair enough. I hope he pulls it off.
 

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I actually thought his first couple Olympic posts were not great but he has rounded into form. The post on the 19 greatest Summer Olympians was vintage Pos.

Also really enjoyed Will Leitch's contrarian take on NBC's Olympic coverage today.

I have high, high hopes for Sports On Earth as I've always enjoyed Tanier too.
 

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Agreed with all of the above, and I thought his break down of the women's all-around was killer.
Yeah, this was great, and I barely care about gymnastics. Pos is killing it this Games, hopefully getting back some of his hard-earned rep after the Paterno fiasco.
 

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Poz on Handball. Awesome.

I won't clutter up the Simmons thread by comparing their handball articles, but the difference between those two could probably be summed up by comparing their takes on the sport.
 

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Pos and the Olympics are, simply put, perfect together. His piece on Lu Xiang and Derek Redmond is vintage Posnanski.
 

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Since there's been a lot of (unfair) comparisons between Joe Po and Bill Simmons, I think this piece articulates the huge difference between how they approach covering large sporting events. Simmons brags about them. Joe Po writes an article like this.

Awesome.
 

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Holy hell. It may be the bourbon talking- either way it helps- but that's the sort of writing that makes you appreciate the Olympics in ways you may not otherwise.

Thanks for sharing.

Edit: I actually meant the Lu/Derek article with this.

The fact that it could be unclear which I mean shows how good he is.
 

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I wonder if King and Pos ever crossed paths. It seems odd that King (or Pos) never mentioned the other in any of his articles/MMQBs. Doesn't it? King mentions fucking EVERYONE of note that he bumps into, and Pos is usually quick to thank other professionals that do him solids, or make note of interesting things they say to him.

Pure speculation, but I wouldn't be surprised if there was some SI Writers clique that Pos was just never welcomed into.
 

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I am not a fan of the Olympics at all, but the way Posnanski writes makes me wish that I watched the events during the last two weeks.

The last line of the story that KFP linked to really got me. And piece on the Icelandic handballer player was inspiring as well.
 

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I wonder if King and Pos ever crossed paths. It seems odd that King (or Pos) never mentioned the other in any of his articles/MMQBs. Doesn't it? King mentions fucking EVERYONE of note that he bumps into, and Pos is usually quick to thank other professionals that do him solids, or make note of interesting things they say to him.

Pure speculation, but I wouldn't be surprised if there was some SI Writers clique that Pos was just never welcomed into.
Looking it up would take far too much effort, but King's mentioned Posnanski glowingly quite a few times on Twitter, and did a spot on the Poscast.
 

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Yes, I remember Pos introducing King as SI's "brilliant" or "terrific" football writer, something like that. It was funny.

On that note, I really, really, really hope the Poscast is part of this new web venture for Pos. I miss he and KenTremendous. I need them in my life, drafting things.
 

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And then there is this piece on wrestler Jordan Burroughs and tweeting.

If you want a definitive look at the 2012 London Olympics, Posnanski's blog is the place to go. I think I am more bummed that the Olympics is over because it means that Pos won't have what has been sterling raw material from which to weave his brilliant pieces.
 

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Damn, how on earth is that piece not getting more love here of all places?
 

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Yeah, not good feelings about this:

On Thursday, Paterno met with his coaches at his house. He sobbed uncontrollably. This was his bad day. Later, one of his former captains, Brandon Short, stopped by the house. When Brandon asked, "How are you doing, Coach?" Paterno answered, "I'm okay," but the last syllable was shaky, muffled by crying, and then he broke down and said, "I don't know what I'm going to do with myself." Nobody knew how to handle such emotion. Joe had always seemed invulnerable. On Thursday, though, he cried continually.
"My name," he told Jay, "I have spent my whole life trying to make that name mean something. And now it's gone."
Am I supposed to feel sympathy after reading that? I don't. Maybe in ten years I will. Probably not. Maybe if you didn't enable child rape in the pursuit of "making that name mean something", I'd give a shit.
 

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Am I supposed to feel sympathy after reading that? I don't. Maybe in ten years I will. Probably not. Maybe if you didn't enable child rape in the pursuit of "making that name mean something", I'd give a shit.
I actually find that pretty even-handed. To be honest, it makes me happy to know that, before he died, Paterno fully realized he'd destroyed his name and was miserable.
 

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The GQ excerpt is a straightforward accounting of the week leading up to Paterno's dismissal. Pos keeps it straightforward and the picture that is painted of the coach is not flattering at all - he comes off as a stubborn, clueless old man (at one point, he is forced to read the Sandusky indictment by his family as preparation for his press conference that was eventually cancelled and he asks 'What is sodomy, anyway?'). Hardly a whitewashing of the legend of JoePa.
 

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There are many people out there whose lives were enriched, altered and elevated by Joe Paterno. This is simply true. There are also many people out there who were victimized as children by the unspeakable evils of Jerry Sandusky, and no matter where you stand on the news it is at the very least true that Joe Paterno was one of the people who should have done more to stop him.
Nobody would argue — and certainly my book does not argue — that the good Joe Paterno did in his life should shield him from the horrors of his mistakes. Some would argue, especially in the white-hot emotion sparked by the latest revelations, that Paterno's role in the Jerry Sandusky crimes invalidates whatever good he might have done. My book does not argue that either. My book, I believe, lets the reader make up his or her own mind. When people ask me if Penn State was right in tearing down Joe Paterno's statue in light of the Freeh Report's conclusion, I ask a different question: "Should they have built a statue to him in the first place?" When people ask me if the NCAA was right in unleashing draconian penalties against Penn State, I ask a different question: "Should they have held up Joe Paterno as a paragon of purity and virtue for more than four decades?"

No, I don't feel about Joe Paterno the same way I did when I started writing the book. But I don't feel about him the way his most blistering critics feel. He was a human being, filled with ideals and flaws, honesty and hypocrisy, charity and selfishness, modesty and the refusal to abdicate his throne. There was little simple about him. I chased the complicated story of a man and his long life. I hope that is the story I wrote.
Seems like a reasonable and professional take.


EDIT: You know it should be half decent when a Penn State backer posts her dislike for it already:

Interestingly, I did not realize that this book was fiction until I saw the words investigation in relation to the Fact-Freeh report and the same old tired (and erroneous) line that Joe Pa did not contact the police.
 

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Seems like a reasonable and professional take.
Agreed. I also found the parts where he discusses his motivations for writing the book to be interesting:


There was not just one thing that drew me — there never is just one thing with a project like a book — but if I could point to one thing it might have been one of the themes about sports that fascinate me, something about winning … and what that word really means. Paterno had always said — quite loudly and with perhaps too much righteousness in his voice — that winning football games wasn't what mattered. And yet, he won more games than anyone. He kept coaching into his 80s, long after even his most most devoted fans thought proper. That riddle fascinated me. Why? What is this about? What is HE about?

Though this might be a bit of revisionist history on Posnanski's part, he makes it sound like he didn't set out to write The Soul of Football as I had originally feared. It sounds to me that he was ready to write a complex story about a complicated man, and then everything went to hell. In that sense, it's possible that the entire tenor of the book didn't need to change that drastically after the Sandusky scandal. Maybe he didn't really start with a hagiography and then have to scrap the whole thing. But this could be Pos simply trying to backtrack from what was originally being marketed as a Father's Day book.
 

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Ringo, I think that's part of what Posnanski is getting at.
 

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Seems like a reasonable and professional take.
It was everything you could reasonably hope for as a Joe Pos fan, and of course the USA Today comments section was predictably moronic and depressing.

My hopes are high that Pos is going to acquit himself well under impossibly difficult circumstances. Can't wait for next Tuesday. This is by far the most anticipated sports book ever for me and the most eager I've been to buy a book of any kind on its release date in as long as I can remember.
 

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I just discovered Pos recently, mostly because of this thread, and have been going through some of his recent stuff, and really enjoying it.

I just finished this: http://sportsonearthblog.com/2012/08/10/the-forgotten-story-of-peter-norman/

It feels like every article I read from him has an amazing concluding statement. I don't know if that is on purpose, but every single on of them so far has made me think, laugh, or have some reaction that leads me to think, "Man, what an awesome piece of writing." I can see why so many of you like him so much.
 

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It is a great story. I realize noone likes USA USA stuff around here but I feel pretty good about the fact that the USOC invited him into the Olympic Village in Sydney when he was snubbed by Australia - I wish Pos had mentioned it.
 

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More excerpts:

Regarding a 2002 incident in which then-graduate assistant Mike McQueary witnessed Sandusky in a Penn State shower with a boy, Paterno told Posnanski a similar story to what he told a grand jury.

"Did you consider calling the police?" Posnanski asked.

"To be honest with you, I didn't," Paterno responded. "This isn't my field. I didn't know what to do. I had not seen anything. Jerry didn't work for me anymore. I didn't have anything to do with him. I tried to look through the Penn State guidelines to see what I was supposed to do. It said that I was supposed to call Tim [Curley]. So I did."

Among some of the other excerpts of note:

On people saying he protected Sandusky over children

"How could they think that?" he asked, and no one had the heart to answer. "They really think that if I knew someone was hurting kids, I wouldn't stop it?"

They looked at him.

"Don't they know me? Don't they know what my life has been about?"


On Jerry Sandusky

In 1993, Paterno wrote what the family would sometimes call the "Why I Hate Jerry Sandusky Memo." In it Paterno complained that Sandusky had stopped recruiting, seemed constantly distracted, had lost his energy for coaching, and was more interested in his charity, The Second Mile. "He would gripe about Jerry all the time," one family member said.

On son Jay Paterno

Did he hope that someday Jay would replace him as coach? It's hard to imagine a father not thinking along those lines, but Joe insisted that wasn't in his mind. "Are you kidding me?" he scoffed. "You think I would want Jay to have to deal with that?"… "Jay's a good coach, a darned good coach. And I think a lot of people refuse to see that because his name is Paterno."

On the Paterno statue

Paterno disliked the statue. Not because of the craftsmanship or the dimensions or anything like that. The statue and the stone wall behind it and the words carved into the stone, it all felt like a celebration of self, a mausoleum. But even these were not the reasons for Paterno's distaste. The reason was a single finger, the index finger, the statue of Joe Paterno raised to the heavens. We're No. 1.

On The Second Mile

Paterno would say again and again that he did not see anything perverse in Sandusky's dealings with children. His problem with The Second Mile was much simpler: the kids annoyed the hell out of him. … He did not want kids around when there was work to do.

On a 1998 investigation

There is reason to believe that, whatever Paterno was told, it did not make much of an impact on him. The coaches' meeting that leads this section was held on May 26, 1998 -- precisely at the time Sandusky was being investigated -- and his detailed and pointed notes make no mention of the investigation. Also, by the late 1990s, he had explored numerous options for removing Sandusky from his coaching staff. … If Paterno did know the details of the 1998 investigation, he might have used it as a way to get rid of Sandusky. He did not.

On Sandusky's retirement in 1999

[Paterno] told Sandusky he would not be the next head coach at Penn State. Sandusky mentioned the early retirement package, and Paterno suggested it might be a good time for him to take it. Both men later said that the 1998 incident was never discussed.

On Sandusky's retirement package, which included access to Penn State facilities

When I told Paterno that people would find it hard to believe the could not have influenced Sandusky's retirement package, he said, "People like to give me too much power. That's Tim's department. I told Tim how I felt. He worked out the deal as he saw fit."

On conclusions of the Freeh report

The general media takeaway from this email chain [discussing how Penn State officials should handle McQueary's testimony] was that Paterno had convinced Curley to back off reporting Sandusky and to handle this in-house. Others familiar with the emails believed instead that Paterno had demanded they confront Sandusky.
 

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NY Times review of Paterno is up: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/21/books/paterno-by-joe-posnanski-a-biography-of-the-coach.html?pagewanted=2&_r=3&smid=tw-nytimes

From the review. I guess the brief excerpt below requires a SPOILER ALERT although I don't think this will really spoil anything for anyone here:


The book’s primal moment arrives in its final section. Mr. Posnanski sits alone with Paterno, who has already been fired and has learned he has lung cancer, at his kitchen table. “So,” Paterno asks him, “what do you think of all this?”

Mr. Posnanski writes: “I told him that I thought he should have done more when he was told about Jerry Sandusky showering with a boy. I had heard what he had said about not understanding the severity, not knowing much about child molestation, not having Sandusky as an employee. But, I said: ‘You are Joe Paterno. Right or wrong, people expect more from you.’ ”

The author adds: “He did not try to defend or deflect. He simply said, ‘I wish I had done more,’ again, and then he descended into another coughing fit.”