Joe Posnanski: Lord of Lists

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Deadspin has read it:
Joe Posnanski has written a mostly sympathetic biography of Joe Paterno, which shouldn't be a surprise, given some of Posnanski's previous statements. It's a book at war with itself. At its best, it's a clear-eyed biography of a guy who became a cautionary tale about the dangers of mythmaking; at its worst, the biography is the culmination of that very same process of mythmaking.
http://m.deadspin.com/5936084/the-six-things-you-should-know-about-joe-posnanskis-paterno-book
 

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Another review saying the book is just a defense.
http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2012/08/paterno-a-relentless-failed-defense-of-penn-states-disgraced-coach/261376/
 

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That's too bad.

In other news, I emailed Pos asking if he wanted to go see Bruce Springsteen with me, and he never responded. I was even respectful and shit.
 

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Judging by the tenor of the reviews I've read, I don't think this is going to derail Pos's career. Some reviews are praising his even-handedness in presenting both the bad and the good about Paterno, and at worst he comes off as the wrong guy for the job given his preferred style of mostly positive writing.
 

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From reading the reviews and excerpts, it seems as though this book might be a great one if it came out in like 3 years, and that the wounds are too fresh for any one to read it without getting mad at any evenhandness.
 

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From reading the reviews and excerpts, it seems as though this book might be a great one if it came out in like 3 years, and that the wounds are too fresh for any one to read it without getting mad at any evenhandness.
This feels about right to me as well.

No one seems ready to listen to the fact that Joe Paterno was a flawed human being who did a lot of great things for a lot of people. His behavior in the Sandusky story is reprehensible, and it seems that's all anyone can process right now.
 

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Another review saying the book is just a defense.
http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2012/08/paterno-a-relentless-failed-defense-of-penn-states-disgraced-coach/261376/
The book might be as bad as he says, but it can't possibly be as poorly written as that review.
 

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This feels about right to me as well.

No one seems ready to listen to the fact that Joe Paterno was a flawed human being who did a lot of great things for a lot of people. His behavior in the Sandusky story is reprehensible, and it seems that's all anyone can process right now.
YOU DID NOT MENTION THE VICTIMS IN THIS POST. You are heartless.
 

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Maybe should go in other thread, but one article about Pos's book mentions some of Paterno's private notes. Pretty fascinating: http://www.statecollege.com/news/local-news/paterno-book-the-private-notes-of-the-late-penn-state-coach-1116680/.

Here's one tidbit:

Our structure cannot be static but dynamic. Things are changing all the time. Here’s what I want to talk about.
A) When someone is talking, especially me, PAY ATTENTION. That means no reading, signing letters, drawing up cards and no side conversations. We’ve having too much “We never said that” or “I didn’t hear that.”

B) We have to have an open exchange, BUT we don’t need unnecessary and prolonged attempts to win a point.

C) We have to understand there will be differences and respect each other’s views.

D) Don’t sulk if your idea gets outvoted or I turn it down.

E) Don’t think that you are the only one who should or can make suggestions or be critical of your coaching area.

F) As for myself, I may present some “way-out” ideas to get some reaction or to stimulate some discussion (and to make sure we don’t have “yes men”). I may even change sides in a discussion.

G) Everybody needs to show strong interest in EVERYTHING that we do. We should be ready to learn from each other and help each other. I intend to sit in on as many meetings as possible.

I’ve talked about this before, but let me say it again. When dealing with the press be careful to emphasize, “We are young, eager, coachable, but we have a long way to go.” TRY NOT TO BE QUOTABLE.

And don’t turn your head if you see a player not abiding by our rules. I’m talking about earrings, beards, studies, appearances, attitude . . . These things equal the “Penn State Way” Players must believe that there are rules that make Penn State special — unique.

And remember: Team morale, team attitude, this is my concern. I want input and suggestions from you. But I have to set the tone."
 

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WSJ review:

At worst his biography would be the sort of life-lessons-from-the-coach book that well-known sportswriters seem compelled to write at some point; at best it would be a defining work, the perfect meeting of a legendary subject and a writer admired for celebrating what is good and right about American sport.

There are traces of these other books in the one that Mr. Posnanski finally wrote, which has come out nearly a year ahead of its original publication date in order to take advantage of public interest in the events that destroyed Paterno—a child-molestation scandal involving longtime assistant Jerry Sandusky.

"Paterno" is mostly, though, the story of the coach as confidence man, and what you think of it will probably depend on how badly you think the author was conned.
 

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I'm a pretty huge Pos fan, but these reviews have convinced me there's just about no way I'll read that book, and it comes down to these reasons:

1. I've always sort of hated Joe Paterno. Hated his stupid glasses and his old-boy, slap-on-the-ass rah-rah brand of football, and everything that's wrapped up in that. I really don't need to know a thing more about him.

2. What I love most about Joe Posnanski is that he is a celebrator of the things I like to be celebrated. Which is not to say I think he's some kind of pom-pom waver or ass-kisser, but that he notices the things that seem meaningful and brings them to light in ways that make me care about them. He's just so great at conveying a sense of wonder and awe and I find that talent to be mostly missing in writing of any kind nowadays - usually it's disguised in some sappy weekends with morrie bullshit.

When I read the Machine, I went into it with just a hair of attraction for those Reds. I liked Johnny Bench for his This Week in Baseball appearances I watched as a kid and I was playing Little League just as Pete Rose was wrapping up his hits record and when I didn't know enough to know what a jerk he obviously was. But, after reading the book, and even after really coming to understand just how close the Sox were to winning in 1975 and sort of living for the first time that disappointment through the book, I loved the Big Red Machine. I didn't necessarily like Pete Rose any more than I did before, or give a shit about Cincinnati, but I loved the idea of the Big Red Machine, like it was a living, breathing entity. And that's because of the work Joe did in bringing out all the little fine details that make a thing real and give you a reason to appreciate it for its unique qualities.

I couldn't put that book down. Plus, it made me love Sparky Anderson.

I don't think there's a way for Joe to use that talent in a book about Paterno. I think he thought there would be. I think he thought Paterno would be the perfect subject for that talent, so that Pos could take a myth, a statue, and make him human by bringing to light all these little special things that made him the man he became along the way. But I think it turned out that Paterno really was a statue, a hollow one, and there was nothing there for Joe to celebrate in the way he's so good at.

Maybe I'm wrong, but reading the book would just be depressing, I think.
 

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Maybe should go in other thread, but one article about Pos's book mentions some of Paterno's private notes. Pretty fascinating: http://www.statecollege.com/news/local-news/paterno-book-the-private-notes-of-the-late-penn-state-coach-1116680/.

Here's one tidbit:

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That list of "talking points" is really just a long-winded way of Paterno saying "I'm in charge, and don't fuck with me." He also seems really impressed with himself. Oh, you're gonna present some "way out" ideas to weed out "yes men"? You may even *gasp* be on "both sides" of an argument?

What a fucking revolutionary thinker.

Guy strikes me as an incredible asshole, even aside from the whole "I won't let kid-fucking get in the way of me winning football games" thing.
 

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I'm a pretty huge Pos fan, but these reviews have convinced me there's just about no way I'll read that book, and it comes down to these reasons:

1. I've always sort of hated Joe Paterno. Hated his stupid glasses and his old-boy, slap-on-the-ass rah-rah brand of football, and everything that's wrapped up in that. I really don't need to know a thing more about him.

2. What I love most about Joe Posnanski is that he is a celebrator of the things I like to be celebrated. Which is not to say I think he's some kind of pom-pom waver or ass-kisser, but that he notices the things that seem meaningful and brings them to light in ways that make me care about them. He's just so great at conveying a sense of wonder and awe and I find that talent to be mostly missing in writing of any kind nowadays - usually it's disguised in some sappy weekends with morrie bullshit.

When I read the Machine, I went into it with just a hair of attraction for those Reds. I liked Johnny Bench for his This Week in Baseball appearances I watched as a kid and I was playing Little League just as Pete Rose was wrapping up his hits record and when I didn't know enough to know what a jerk he obviously was. But, after reading the book, and even after really coming to understand just how close the Sox were to winning in 1975 and sort of living for the first time that disappointment through the book, I loved the Big Red Machine. I didn't necessarily like Pete Rose any more than I did before, or give a shit about Cincinnati, but I loved the idea of the Big Red Machine, like it was a living, breathing entity. And that's because of the work Joe did in bringing out all the little fine details that make a thing real and give you a reason to appreciate it for its unique qualities.

I couldn't put that book down. Plus, it made me love Sparky Anderson.

I don't think there's a way for Joe to use that talent in a book about Paterno. I think he thought there would be. I think he thought Paterno would be the perfect subject for that talent, so that Pos could take a myth, a statue, and make him human by bringing to light all these little special things that made him the man he became along the way. But I think it turned out that Paterno really was a statue, a hollow one, and there was nothing there for Joe to celebrate in the way he's so good at.

Maybe I'm wrong, but reading the book would just be depressing, I think.
I'm reading the book right now. Paterno was a big part of my life/job in the 1970s and I almost have to read it. Plus, Pos is the best sports writer on the planet. His talent shines through in this book. There have been biographies of Paterno before but none of them were written with the personal flair that Pos gives this one. He just looks at life through a different prism than any other sports writer.

I'm enjoying the book because Pos delineates between the "good" Paterno of his early years and the aging, almost bitter old man who unnecessarily headed the football program for the past 15 years. For those of us who once admired the man, Pos provides clear insights into his mindset as he was dying, and that was something I needed to read about. Paterno had his fair share of regrets, and even his family knew it. There is a point where Pos talks about how Paterno taught his children that just doing the right thing wasn't enough, you had to go beyond doing the right thing. That's something his family couldn't forget after Joe made his public utterance of "I wish I had done more."

This book will sell among Paternophiles. I don't see it staying in the NYT Top 25 list very long. For me, it's a necessary read and a happy one because Pos gives a unique look at the life forces that drove the young Joe Paterno, in high school, on the streets of Brooklyn, in college at Brown and even during his Army stint, long before he lost sight of who he was.
 

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I'm reading the book right now. Paterno was a big part of my life/job in the 1970s and I almost have to read it. Plus, Pos is the best sports writer on the planet. His talent shines through in this book. There have been biographies of Paterno before but none of them were written with the personal flair that Pos gives this one. He just looks at life through a different prism than any other sports writer.

I'm enjoying the book because Pos delineates between the "good" Paterno of his early years and the aging, almost bitter old man who unnecessarily headed the football program for the past 15 years. For those of us who once admired the man, Pos provides clear insights into his mindset as he was dying, and that was something I needed to read about. Paterno had his fair share of regrets, and even his family knew it. There is a point where Pos talks about how Paterno taught his children that just doing the right thing wasn't enough, you had to go beyond doing the right thing. That's something his family couldn't forget after Joe made his public utterance of "I wish I had done more."

This book will sell among Paternophiles. I don't see it staying in the NYT Top 25 list very long. For me, it's a necessary read and a happy one because Pos gives a unique look at the life forces that drove the young Joe Paterno, in high school, on the streets of Brooklyn, in college at Brown and even during his Army stint, long before he lost sight of who he was.
That seems to be too nuanced of a take for a lot of people. I've been surprisingly disappointed in Poz's books, I think his voice works better in his articles, but I'll have to give the book a read.
 

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In other news, I emailed Pos asking if he wanted to go see Bruce Springsteen with me, and he never responded. I was even respectful and shit.
Did you try Peter King?
 

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That seems to be too nuanced of a take for a lot of people. I've been surprisingly disappointed in Poz's books, I think his voice works better in his articles, but I'll have to give the book a read.
Unnecessarily is my word but Pos did note that Paterno lost the open manner he once had with the media in his earlier years. He got tired of recruiting, dealing with alumni, speaking engagements. "just let me coach football" was his complaint when asked to deal with what he termed "distractions." I think this mentality is part of what led him to ignore the dangers Sandusky's case presented to him in 1998.
 

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Joe's new site, sportsonearth.com, made its debut today. From his opening monologue:

Today, we start up here at Sports on Earth, and we feel that electricity of the opening bell. The idea here is to build a sports website around great writing. That’s not exactly a new idea. There is a lot of great sports writing out there and has been pretty much since people carved sports figures on cave walls. But we think it’s a timeless idea.



They also posted a strong piece by Pos on WAR:

Obviously you can go through all of these and find the strengths and flaws of the stats themselves, and people do that all the time. But my point here is to look at what WAR might tell us about teams in baseball right now.
So, here’s what I did. I plugged all 30 teams into a spreadsheet, and figured out what their record SHOULD BE, based on their WAR (through Aug. 23). I then compared it to what their record actually is.
 

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Pos clearly put a lot of work into it, but I don't quite understand the "determination" part of the WAR article. He seems to be saying that WAR reflects talent level, and then the difference between real record and what the record should be according to WAR is how much a team has underachieved. So for the Sox he writes:

Actual record: 59-65
WAR record: 62-62
Determination: Underachieving, but perhaps not as much as you might have expected
I'm not sure that makes sense. As I see it, WAR reflects how players have actually played, taking out park effects and the like, and so differences between WAR and real record would be more reflective of whether they have underachieved or overachieved in high/low leverage situations.
 

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Just everything you want from a Posnanski piece.

I left my iPad on a plane the other day. The crazy thing about it -- as if there needs to be an extra layer of crazy about leaving a hugely expensive and personal and professionally vital device on an airplane -- was that I thought about it five minutes before I did it. Not after. BEFORE. I put the iPad in the front seat pocket just as the plane was in its final descent, and I thought: “You know, I better remember this. I’ve got all my numbers and notes and work ideas and unfinished novels and secrets of the golf swing on this. It would be incredibly stupid to leave this iPad on the plane.”

Then, five or ten minutes later, I did exactly that.
 

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Pos was interviewed by Costas about the book, Pos says he doesn't agree with the Freeh Report's conclusions:

Costas: “You don’t believe that though."
Posnanski: “I don’t believe that, no. I honestly don’t. I honestly believe that what Louis Freeh did, and I have no qualms with the Louis Freeh report, he had his goals and his role in this thing.”
Costas: “Well if you don’t think that’s true, you must have qualms with his report."
Posnanski: “He didn’t talk to Tim Curley; he didn’t talk to Gary Schultz; he didn’t talk to Joe Paterno; he didn’t talk to Jerry Sandusky; he didn’t talk to Tom Harmon; he didn’t talk to Mike McQueary. He didn’t talk to any of the major players in this and I think, I understand why he went to those conclusions, and he did, but I believe the report is very incomplete and I do believe that as things come out, it’s going to emerge that some of the people who wrote some of the emails and so on are going to say that everything has been misspoken.”
http://www.shermanreport.com/?p=4418
 

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Pos was interviewed by Costas about the book, Pos says he doesn't agree with the Freeh Report's conclusions:



http://www.shermanreport.com/?p=4418
I understand what Pos is saying, but what the hell do you expect from people that would be culpable in this thing. This position, while appearing to have some level of critical thought in that it goes against the grain, fails to critically examine what these people would say. Of course they would say the email doesn't mean what you think it means.

The other thing is I thing Pos comes off as making a distinction that no one cares about. Pos states that he doesn't think JoePa and others weren't actively following it. The Freeh report as I read is somewhat muted on that claim. In fact, it is organized around a few incidents over the about a decade long period. However, that isn't necessary to establish the Report's overarching ethical conclusion: That people in the AD and others at Penn State covered up this scandal. It doesn't matter that the cover up was episodic, that they had a few flurries of emails about this when investigations arose. That is still a fucking cover-up. There may be some who are outraged because they think that Joe Pa was constantly foiling the cops at every turn, but people would still be outraged at the few times Joe Pa and the others did deal with this because at those times, they took immoral actions or were immorally complacent.
 

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Haven't read a page of Pos since 'vague hazy incident' and reading those quotes from the Costas interview make me glad I haven't.

"No qualms" he tries to say, as he then starts listing his qualms. Like a former FBI director not being 'thorough' enough because he didn't interview a dead guy.

He should have just scrapped the whole book deal. I realize hindsight is 20/20 but Pos just isnt cut out for bad news. And coming out vocally against the Freeh report just insured that lots and lots of people will never read his flowery prose ever again.
 

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Haven't read a page of Pos since 'vague hazy incident' and reading those quotes from the Costas interview make me glad I haven't.

"No qualms" he tries to say, as he then starts listing his qualms. Like a former FBI director not being 'thorough' enough because he didn't interview a dead guy.

He should have just scrapped the whole book deal. I realize hindsight is 20/20 but Pos just isnt cut out for bad news. And coming out vocally against the Freeh report just insured that lots and lots of people will never read his flowery prose ever again.
You have missed out on some fantastic writing, particularly during the Olympics, but I can't blame you. His single hazy event comment was a humongous error in judgement. The fact that he's still defending Paterno is a little surprising. Even if Paterno was only 5% culpable(and that's a low ball estimate, I think he has a LOT of blame here) in allowing children to get molested, he would deserve absolutely no defense.

If Paterno's wife and children want to defend him, that's fine. Do your thing. But Posnanski shouldn't be the one trying to carry Paterno's legacy.
 

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I watched part of the Costas/Pos interview. For those talking about how Pos is defending Paterno, it's not like he's taking one side and not seeing the flaws. I saw this part and thought he answered it well.

Costas: “What did you come away thinking? What is your bottom line on Joe Paterno?”
Posnanski: “I think really what I come away with is what a complicated life it was and what a big life it was.”
Costas: “Do you view him as a good man who made a tragic mistake, be it of omission or commission? Or is he less of a good man because of that mistake?”
Posnanski: “It’s somewhere in the middle. That’s a tough one. I don’t want to dodge it. I think he did a lot of good in his life and I think he did make a tragic mistake.”
Costas: “At his best, was he a good man?”
Posnanski: “Definitely. At his best, I think it’s too long and too distinguished and too many achievements to think that it was worth nothing.”
I'd say what terrynever has been saying over the months about Paterno has merit to it. Paterno had an extremely good side during his early to mid years and unfortunately lost sense of who he was in his later years, however many years that turned out to be.
 

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Are you of the belief that a younger Paterno would have handled the Sandusky issue appropriately?

That, to me, is the crux of the issue. If the answer is yes, it's easy to see a balanced view of a good man who made a terrible terrible mistake that cost him everything because he was holding on past his time as a valid view. If No, then the Pearlman view is the only valid one - the good times anecdotes become hollow and insulting.

My answer is no, by the way. I think Paterno revealed himself and the Grand Experiment to be a sham. It was all about The Program all along, making him no better than a Saban or, really, any other coach. No one, least of all Posnanski , would be rushing to Saban's defense if this happened at Alabama.

But, because there's no way to definitively answer that core question, I'm not going to come down the mountain on Pos or anyone else and write them off completely.
 

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Honestly, part of my problem with the book is that I just don't "get" Joe Paterno. I'm pretty much solely a baseball fan, so if anyone could fill me in on some nuance I'm missing that'd be great--but put aside the Sandusky stuff, when I heard Posnanski was writing a book about Paterno I thought, "oh, no chance I'm reading that." I would have found something to intrigue me in a book on John Wooden, Dean Smith, Bear Bryant, etc, but not Paterno. I think its probably because the hook there--that he is some saintly figure for being a football coach that placed an emphasis on academics (that's the gist of it, right?)--was always bullshit to me. It's hard to remember with all the Sandusky stuff, but I think I remember thinking of him as a really nice but slightly dimwitted character who ran a football team and what, strenuously followed the rules? Much of what built him that reputation is what helped make him such a loathsome character in light of Sandusky, too.

Put it another way: if the focus has been on him as a result of this "goodness" then that was always going to ring hollow for me. I guess I don't see what's so essentially great about that; maybe its something like Chris Rock's bit about fathers who brag about being around for their kids--you don't get to brag about that, its what you're supposed to do. So then you add to that him putting his hands in his pockets and shrugging during the Sandusky scandal and yeah, the guy does not impress me as a public figure in the least.

The choice to spend time writing a book about someone like Paterno actually had me backing away from Posnanski anyway. Maybe that's harsh, but his being lured into thinking this was some titanic American figure at any point in the timeline felt like he'd been duped already to me, but again, cultural awareness aside, I am no football fan so maybe there's part of his legacy/ track record I'm not aware of.
 

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Honestly, part of my problem with the book is that I just don't "get" Joe Paterno. I'm pretty much solely a baseball fan, so if anyone could fill me in on some nuance I'm missing that'd be great--but put aside the Sandusky stuff, when I heard Posnanski was writing a book about Paterno I thought, "oh, no chance I'm reading that." I would have found something to intrigue me in a book on John Wooden, Dean Smith, Bear Bryant, etc, but not Paterno. I think its probably because the hook there--that he is some saintly figure for being a football coach that placed an emphasis on academics (that's the gist of it, right?)--was always bullshit to me. It's hard to remember with all the Sandusky stuff, but I think I remember thinking of him as a really nice but slightly dimwitted character who ran a football team and what, strenuously followed the rules? Much of what built him that reputation is what helped make him such a loathsome character in light of Sandusky, too.

Put it another way: if the focus has been on him as a result of this "goodness" then that was always going to ring hollow for me. I guess I don't see what's so essentially great about that; maybe its something like Chris Rock's bit about fathers who brag about being around for their kids--you don't get to brag about that, its what you're supposed to do. So then you add to that him putting his hands in his pockets and shrugging during the Sandusky scandal and yeah, the guy does not impress me as a public figure in the least.

The choice to spend time writing a book about someone like Paterno actually had me backing away from Posnanski anyway. Maybe that's harsh, but his being lured into thinking this was some titanic American figure at any point in the timeline felt like he'd been duped already to me, but again, cultural awareness aside, I am no football fan so maybe there's part of his legacy/ track record I'm not aware of.
Pos was originally intrigued by all the players and their sons who Paterno coached over 55 years. Pos wanted to make that the theme of the book. Fathers and sons -- right up Pos's sentimental alley. Best laid plans went up in smoke.
 

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I don't have much interest in college football or Paterno and will definitely not read that book (or probably any excerpts), but am still a huge fan of Posnanski outside of that. His Olympics work was fantastic, and I'm not much of an Olympics fan either.
 

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I don't have much interest in college football or Paterno and will definitely not read that book (or probably any excerpts), but am still a huge fan of Posnanski outside of that. His Olympics work was fantastic, and I'm not much of an Olympics fan either.
Joe's Olympics work covering various fringe sports and the athletes who participate in them was much like his columns on the World Cup in 2010 - he can take take a sport that have no interest in and not only write a must-read column, but actually make me care about it (well, at least a little bit).
 

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ICM Partners next week will be taking a package for a movie about fallen legend Penn State football head coach Joe Paterno, with Al Pacino attached to play the man called Papa Joe by most student at Happy Valley. The package will be build around Joe Posnanski's biography Paterno, which is now atop The New York Times Bestseller List in its second week. Pacino's manager, Rick Nicita, will produce.
 

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Yeah... this has the potential to be a 'Blind Side' whitewash.

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You know, normally I agree with a lot of what you post even though you are a reprobate but I simply cannot see how they will whitewash Paterno. If anything, Posnanski is the most likely person to be upset with the final outcome. Not only will they take his source material and give it the screenplay-canned-spam treatment but they are likely to make it thematically a lot darker than Joe would like.
 

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Dr. Cusimano from The Sopranos (Robert Lupone) is a pretty good Sandusky look alike. :D
 

JimD

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Posnanski's columns on Sports on Earth and his personal blog have been uniformly excellent lately. His column this weekend on Strasburg getting shut down by the Nats was the most reasoned take I've read to date on the subject.
 

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Haven't read a page of Pos since 'vague hazy incident' and reading those quotes from the Costas interview make me glad I haven't.

"No qualms" he tries to say, as he then starts listing his qualms. Like a former FBI director not being 'thorough' enough because he didn't interview a dead guy.

He should have just scrapped the whole book deal. I realize hindsight is 20/20 but Pos just isnt cut out for bad news. And coming out vocally against the Freeh report just insured that lots and lots of people will never read his flowery prose ever again.
Just curious...How many people share this viewpoint? How many formerly devoted member's of Pos's Posse have sworn him off and refuse to read a single sentence that he writes. Now that the book is out and there is no need to speculate on Posnanski's viewpoint re: Paterno, does anyone believe that the book will have any lasting impact on Posnanski, both financially and reputation wise?
 

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I'm kind of with JM on that one, as well, but the whole incident has just made me swear off sportswriting as a whole. Pos was one of the better ones before this, but too many of them put sports before things that really matter.
I did keep subscribed to his podcast though, but I think that was cause I just can't give up his interviews with Michael Shur about baseball.
 

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I think the rumors of Pos' death on these boards has been greatly exaggerated. While I am extremely disappointed in the whole Paterno mess, I still read Pos whenever I have time. Furthermore, the book is in fact on the NYT Bestseller list and I believe it will lead to even more Pos readers than he previously had. I think with all that said, an interesting question for Pos would be whether he would do the book project all over again knowing what he knows now.
 

MyDaughterLovesTomGordon

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I'm no glad to have Posnanski back, post-book, and on this new site of his and done with SI. He's writing a ton - the daily playoff race pieces, plus at least one other feature a day it seems like - and his voice is just terrific and thoughtful everywhere he turns. Today's piece on the Ryder Cup's false hype has some great stuff about Seve Ballesteros and his piece about his daughter on the swim team yesterday was really charming. I feel like he's finally found the platform that can showcase his talents the best.
 

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"Paterno" has only sold 29,000 copies. After an initially pressing of 100,000 it's quite a low number IMO.
Can't say I'm surprised.

There was a market for a hagiography, and there was a market for a hatchet job. From what I've read, Paterno didn't write either one.

Those results probably will keep Poz from getting a $750k advance ever again, but I think he'll get over that.
 

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For those who have been able to move on from the Paterno mess, let me just say that having Pos post everyday on SoE about the baseball playoffs is like taking something great and making it...er, greater. Like the Olympics, he shines when he has something meaningful and different from which to mine his material. His column on yesterday's play-in games doesn't disappoint.