rodderick said:
No, I'm not willing to make any statements about him after 50-60 carries. We were pretty pleased with Brandon Bolden after that many carries in 2012 and again in 2013, but you don't see any threads about him now, do you?
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No, I'm not willing to make any statements about him after 50-60 carries. We were pretty pleased with Brandon Bolden after that many carries in 2012 and again in 2013, but you don't see any threads about him now, do you?
Lose Remerswaal said:
This is flat out false (in its implications, obviously you don't mean it literally). I'd venture that neither Brandon Bolden or James White or even Shane Vereen could have got 199 yards. There were holes but he hit them hard and had great YAC. I totally hear you on not putting him in the HOF after one good game -- let's see how he does after his body has absorbed a beating -- but for one game he did all the right things: hit the right holes, hit them explosively, read his blockers correctly, broke through arm tackles, and pushed the pile. It's all we have to go on so far, so that shouldn't be dismissed, even as it shouldn't be blown up to be more than one game.
Lose Remerswaal said:
WTF are you talking about.
Most of the posts in this thread are talking about him maybe being able to play the Ridley role, or being a different version of BJGE. Many note that he's carried the ball very few times so we don't really know yet. One had the audacity to say that he might be a "solid" back in the league. There is one Corey Dillon comparison that is obviously premature, but even in that case it is obvious that the poster meant that his performance in that one game reminded him of Dillon, not that he'd become Corey Dillon. I see a pretty reasoned discussion of what we might expect from a guy who just had a pretty huge breakout game but has almost zero track record before then.
Thankfully you were here to calm down the irrational exuberance going on here.
I don't think Jonas Gray is the second coming of Larry Csonka, but he ran like him last Sunday. Csonka had a well regarded O-line.
From re-watching the game it seems to me that a big reason for all the run yards was that the Pats were putting a lot of big dudes out there to block and the Colts were just sticking to their base defense. This led to a lot of plays where the first level of the Colts defense was blocked completely and Gray was free to charge into the secondary at guys 30 pounds lighter than himself.
There's one play where the Pats come out with 22 personnel, with Fleming and Gronk on either side of the line and Develin at FB. The Colts stayed with their base 3-4, and their front 7 were blocked tidily by 7 huge dudes. Is it typical for teams to use their base defense to defend against 22 personnel? Wouldn't it have made more sense for them to swap out a SS or CB with a LB, especially considering the 2nd "TE" is an OT?
There's one play where the Pats come out with 22 personnel, with Fleming and Gronk on either side of the line and Develin at FB. The Colts stayed with their base 3-4, and their front 7 were blocked tidily by 7 huge dudes. Is it typical for teams to use their base defense to defend against 22 personnel? Wouldn't it have made more sense for them to swap out a SS or CB with a LB, especially considering the 2nd "TE" is an OT?
Before we put Jonas in the Hall of Fame, this is what Blount did in 2013 PO:
Having said that, Jonas looks like a real keeper even if the cover of SI is a bit much.
- Divisional game vs. Colts: 24 rushes for 166 yards & 4 TDs
- AFCCG vs. Broncos: 5 rushes for 6 yards
Having said that, Jonas looks like a real keeper even if the cover of SI is a bit much.
Jettisoned said:
Playing a 6th OL for that many snaps (and outside goal line and short yardage situations) is so unusual that its likely that the Colts simply didn't have a personnel package in place for dealing with the situation. They obviously could have changed up on the fly but its not that easy just to say to a LB, "Hey you go play safety on this series." That guy doesn't know the run assignments, much less what the heck he's supposed to do in the passing game. And while the Pats ran almost exclusively out of the 6 OL package, they did mix in a couple pretty effective passing plays to make sure that the Colts couldn't sell out entirely on the run just because Fleming was in the game.
All this does suggest, however, that teams in the future are likely to be better prepared for this heavy package. I think its a look that the Patriots will use in other games, but I doubt its ever so devastating or heavily relied upon again.
Jettisoned said:
Yes and no. Usually coaches have their own preference on how to align their personnel. Some coaches like to stay in a base defense and invert safeties with cornerbacks to protect the edges, or invert strong side safety with strong side corner. Some coaches (in 4-3 defenses, usually) will change their formation stack (4-3 over/under/strong/etc). Some 3-4 defenses will change up to a 3-5-3, which the colts should have tried.
I think there's a strong correlation between the point you mentioned (Colts staying in their base defense) and why BB ran the offense the way he did. Why the Colts decided to go this route (my guess is Gronk) is a good topic of discussion.
If it's OK with Lose Remerswaal I'd like to start saying Jonas Gray is Jamal Lewis
https://twitter.com/RLiuNFL/status/534780362103087104
https://twitter.com/RLiuNFL/status/534780362103087104
They must have revised the stat sheet and wiped out the loss for two that was nullified by a facemask penalty. I was kind of surprised that was counted in the first place. That also means the Patriots were 9 of 11 on 3rd down and perfect on 3rd down in the second half.
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Gray had 104 of 199 yards after contact.
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Jeff Howe@jeffphoweGray had 104 of 199 yards after contact.
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Gray had 104 of 199 yards after contact.
LoseRemerswaal would have had so many more yards and he wouldn't have contacted anyone!
Yeah, I don't really understand how it works. The other thing is that, if you recall, the Colts also had an offsides penalty that was declined that would have obviously resulted in no play. The Patriots took the 15-yarder over the 5-yarder, but perhaps because there was also a "no play" penalty they wiped this one, too. I don't know.DrewDawg said:
Super Nomario said:
I think its always this way with negative plays on which the defensive commits a personal foul during the play. For example, on sacks where the pass rusher hits the QB illegally (to the head or knee for instance), its always no play and a 15 yard penalty, not a 15 yard penalty assessed from the point of the sack.
The referee crew just seemed really confused in the aftermath of this play, probably because there were flags all over the place (there was actually a pretty clear third penalty on the play as well that the referees either missed or didn't even bother mentioning, as the Colts had an obvious 12 men on the field when the ball was snapped).
This isn't the ref's call though, is it? This is purely official scoring, since it's a 15-yard penalty either way. It's just whether it's officially a "play" or "no play" and thus whether the stats count or don't count.Morgan's Magic Snowplow said:
Morgan's Magic Snowplow said:
I don't know if they missed the 12 men penalty--#94 was the guy who didn't get off the field in time and they called him offside.
Gray wasn't seen at practice Friday. Interesting. There was no point during or after the game where he seemed to be dinged. Mid-week injury?
Edit: probably just BB messing with the media and fans. He might be bored.
Edit: probably just BB messing with the media and fans. He might be bored.
Mark Daniels @MarkDanielsPJ 2m2 minutes ago
I've been told that Jonas Gray is "doing alright." He was late today, that's why he wasn't at practice.
I've been told that Jonas Gray is "doing alright." He was late today, that's why he wasn't at practice.
Mike Reiss @MikeReiss 2m2 minutes ago
One person explained the situation this way to me: Alarm set on phone, phone battery dies overnight, alarm doesn't go off at scheduled time.
One person explained the situation this way to me: Alarm set on phone, phone battery dies overnight, alarm doesn't go off at scheduled time.
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Jeff Howe @jeffphowe 5m5 minutes ago
Gray plans to return to Gillette this afternoon to apologize to Bill Belichick.
Gray plans to return to Gillette this afternoon to apologize to Bill Belichick.
Mike Garafolo @MikeGarafolo now
Source said Gray has texted teammates - including Brady - to apologize. Hoping for an audience with Belichick this afternoon to do same.
Source said Gray has texted teammates - including Brady - to apologize. Hoping for an audience with Belichick this afternoon to do same.
I know there is no excuse for missing practice.
But I also think dude ran it 37 times last week. THIRTY SEVEN. He has to be sore.
For comparison…..
You know how many times in his career Adrian Peterson has carried it 37 times?
Never. Career high 35
You know how many times Emmitt Smith carried it 37 times?
Never. Career high 35
You know how many times Walter Peyton carried it 37 times?
3 times. (40,39 and 38 carries once each).
37 is a metric f*ckton.
But I also think dude ran it 37 times last week. THIRTY SEVEN. He has to be sore.
For comparison…..
You know how many times in his career Adrian Peterson has carried it 37 times?
Never. Career high 35
You know how many times Emmitt Smith carried it 37 times?
Never. Career high 35
You know how many times Walter Peyton carried it 37 times?
3 times. (40,39 and 38 carries once each).
37 is a metric f*ckton.
Jonas, it’s LaGarrette. I need you to hook me up.
What’s up?
Timlin’s a dick. He ruined my name. I need a big week, show what I can do.
I support you, pal. If you succeed, the team succeeds, and that’s good. A friendly competition, you and me. Synergy, you know?
Yeah. No. That’s not what I’m talking about here. I need it, THIS week.
What are you asking?
Blow off a practice. Bill will let me start.
Ah, man, I can’t do that. I’m just getting my feet here. Don’t ask me to do that.
Buy you an Escalade.
Huh?
You heard me.
Leather and a sunroof?
What’s up?
Timlin’s a dick. He ruined my name. I need a big week, show what I can do.
I support you, pal. If you succeed, the team succeeds, and that’s good. A friendly competition, you and me. Synergy, you know?
Yeah. No. That’s not what I’m talking about here. I need it, THIS week.
What are you asking?
Blow off a practice. Bill will let me start.
Ah, man, I can’t do that. I’m just getting my feet here. Don’t ask me to do that.
Buy you an Escalade.
Huh?
You heard me.
Leather and a sunroof?
Jonas Gray @jgray_ND25 3m3 minutes ago
Example of how fast people can turn their back on you. That's just life tho! Either way I just keep it moving and grind harder. Nothing new!
Example of how fast people can turn their back on you. That's just life tho! Either way I just keep it moving and grind harder. Nothing new!
DennyDoyle'sBoil said:
That's kind. I was thinking more LGBT texted him all night till the battery drained.
Here's a deeper look at Gray and the performance of his blockers:
Now, hopefully Jonas doesn't tweet himself into Belichick's doghouse.
Now, hopefully Jonas doesn't tweet himself into Belichick's doghouse.