Julian Edelman: From BurgerTyme to Super Bowl Winner
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Edelman rented a room from one of my co-workers (I believe when he was at College of San Mateo). My co-worker said Edelman was super-competitive and hard working. He can't believe how hard he worked to go to Kent State as a QB then make it to the NFL as a wide receiver.
I'm happy for him.
I'm happy for him.
I've heard this suggested (by Volin, mostly), but it doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Amendola has more dead money ($4.8 MM) than his 2014 cap figure ($4.5 MM) - even if you designate him a post-6/1 cut, they only save $3 MM. And is he really redundant? Right now the Pats' top four receiving threats are Gronk, who is currently rehabbing, and Edelman, Amendola, and Vereen, none of whom has a sterling track record when it comes to injuries. Are you really comfortable slashing depth there to save not that much money so you can plug in, what another rookie WR, or someone like LaFell or Sanders who's probably not even better than Amendola?Dick Pole Upside said:
Why would you cut Amendola when there are negative cap ramifications and he only had one injured year in the offense. Let's see what he can do when healthy.
Baller.
What's the story RE: Amendola's groin, though? Are they just going to heal with rest and then come Week 1 realize it didn't heal properly so now he has season ending surgery to repair it?
What's the story RE: Amendola's groin, though? Are they just going to heal with rest and then come Week 1 realize it didn't heal properly so now he has season ending surgery to repair it?
Amendola's groin has long been expected to heal with rest, but he hasn't gotten any of that since Week 9. He looked like a dominant slot WR in Week 1 against Buffalo, then wasn't coming out of his breaks the same way for the rest of the season.
If they want to get rid of him, they'll probably do it after next year, when it clears cap space.
If they want to get rid of him, they'll probably do it after next year, when it clears cap space.
The_Powa_of_Seiji_Ozawa said:Everything that has transpired has done so according to my design.
Gooooooooooooooooooood.
I agree. Amendola played the entire season with an injured groin. Ever have one of those? Takes forever to heal and you can keep re-injuring it if you don't sit still for a while which Amendola couldn't/wouldn't do. You'd be selling really low now, anyway. As I remember last year's pre-season, before he was injured, Amendola was impressing with his double-move patterns, etc. Keep him and see what he can do.Darnell's Son said:
Beomoose said:
What is thy bidding, my master?
Allen. He would be a great asset. Can it be done?
For the reasons mentioned above, there is no way they drop Amendola, at least not right now.
Wouldn't mind bringing in LaFell.
Don't see Thompkins as a sure thing to even make the 53 next year. Looking fwd to potential jumps for Dobson and Boyce. If Thompkins or Harrison show anything in off-season, terrific, but I'm not counting on that.
3 years, 13 mill, 8 gtd with incentives tied to health.
Wouldn't mind bringing in LaFell.
Don't see Thompkins as a sure thing to even make the 53 next year. Looking fwd to potential jumps for Dobson and Boyce. If Thompkins or Harrison show anything in off-season, terrific, but I'm not counting on that.
3 years, 13 mill, 8 gtd with incentives tied to health.
He got his chance to see what he was "worth" out there, and ultimately comes back here. I'm sure Brady is breathing a little sigh of relief knowing that he'll have another familiar face out there. Not to mention what Edelman gives us in the PR game. Glad to see him back.
My thoughts exactly.
southshoresoxfan said:
My thoughts exactly.
Could be teams are figuring a lot of his success is because of the guy throwing to him and that he wouldn't be nearly as successful just about anywhere else. Deion Branch comes to mind, although Deion's numbers in Seattle were good and he did have some injuries. Whatever, happy to see Edelman back.DaughtersofDougMirabelli said:
How does that explain Edelman being one of the best punt returners in the game, with one of (is it the?) the best return averages of all time? Consider me a bit surprised he wasn't more highly coveted for that aspect of his game.Al Zarilla said:
Edelman is a very good punt returner, but doesn't hold any records. In average yards per punt return for a single season, his best season was 2012: 15.5 yards per return. That puts him in a tie for 43rd of all time. In average yards per punt return for a career, he does better: his 12.3 yards per return has him at 7th of all time, and tied with Devin Hester for best among active players.
StupendousMan said:
True, but keep in mind he does have the best career average of the Super Bowl era. Everyone above him on that list played in the 50's and 60's.
It also came down this past season (it was 13.2 ypr after 2012), which is when I'm guessing most people had heard that ranking tossed around.
They both round to 12.3 but Edelman is a smidge better than Hester in yds/PR, though Hester has over twice as many returns:StupendousMan said:
Hester: 12.2765 in 264 returns
Edelman 12.3458 in 107 returns
So, he's the best currently playing and as noted the best since the merger. I think his standard deviation is a lot lower than Hester's, but depending on how you view things that can be a good thing. I've said before that he seems very smart about when to take a fair catch and when to return, and while he may not hit home runs often, he always seems to get something. I agree that it's odd this didn't draw more interest as it can definitely make a difference, see the Broncos-Pats regular season game...
Just to note, Edelman has confessed his obsession with hamburgers on a number of prior interviews.
Well, he is an injury risk and he was a free agent WR in a year with a lot of free agent WRs and a draft stacked with WR talent. Seems a fair deal for both sides. There must have been push back that he is a product of the Pats system. If healthy, I bet he has better numbers than Decker in 2014.Ed Hillel said:
ShaneTrot said:
Sure, he's a risk, but I would argue that pretty much any receiver asked to play the lead slot role in the Patriots offense is an injury risk. Welker is a special kind of tough, and he suffered a serious injury himself along the way. When you know what you have and can get him at that money, it's a good deal. Even factoring in the systems, I like Edelman as an overall player better than Sanders and Decker, and this deal has to be way better than Decker's in the least and probably better than Sanders' as well.
Maybe I'm just not familiar with the term, but can someone clarify what a "skill" guarantee is versus whatever other kind there is? I've never heard it broken down this way, so curious if anyone knows the difference, or if everyone does and I'm on the outside on this one.
If they cut him in the '14 league year even though he's healthy the $2MM isnt guaranteed. If he's injured and they cut him, the $2MM is guaranteed. Once the '15 league year comes, if hes still under contract the $2MM is guaranteed no matter what.
Looks like they've set it up so that he's basically uncuttable for the first 3 years. A cut may be possible in year four, but the cap will be so inflated at that point that the 4 millions in savings probably won't be worth it in that market if he's playing well. That's some pretty good security for Edelman (13-14.5 million basically seems guaranteed if he's on the field), and a very fair deal for the Pats as well.
Stitch01 said:
I misread and thought the clause was that the 2 million guaranteed for injury in 2015 would convert 2 million of his 2016 base to guaranteed money if he was on the 2015 roster. Still, you're only looking at 2.25 million in real savings with a cut. If the cap is up around 150 million at that point, he'd have to really fall off a cliff or have suffered some seroius injuries. While that money isn't guaranteed, the likelihood of him receiving it is high.