It‘s a way to do a moment of silence without actually having the moment.Why? Was Bryant famous for such things? This is an honest question.
Edit: Or the above really.
It‘s a way to do a moment of silence without actually having the moment.Why? Was Bryant famous for such things? This is an honest question.
He wore #24Why? Was Bryant famous for such things? This is an honest question.
He wore #24.Why? Was Bryant famous for such things? This is an honest question.
24 was his number. 24 second violations...Why? Was Bryant famous for such things? This is an honest question.
If you're invested enough to take it to PM, take it there. You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.You really need to stop using the phrase "virtue signalling", or learn what it is implying. Because it isn't just saying "I think it's in poor taste to bring up these issues". It's implying that these issues don't actually matter to the person talking about them, they're just faking outrage to look good. Just as you got called names (perhaps unfairly so), you should recognize that by using the phrase you were calling people names.
1) I am not offended, I'm telling you that you're not accomplishing a single thing or bringing awareness to anything. We're all aware. You're being presumptuous.Crow, I grew up playing ball during the same era and I pretended I was Jordan and all the same shit you're saying. I'm sorry to rain on your admiration parade, but tough shit. Go ahead and mourn him. I'm not telling you not to. I'm saying that those of you who only want to see him as a basketball player are not the only ones who get space in discussing him upon his untimely death. It does NOT make me an asshole that YOU are offended by people pointing out that the guy was a fucking rapist, AS WELL AS being a phenomenal basketball player, and a man who gave millions of dollars to charity and a father and a husband and the face of LA sports and and and...he was all of these things. I think it's important not to forget the bad part off who he was. It was that bad. And make no mistake that it had an effect on how women decide whether or not they will report being raped.
I see it as a group of people working out how we discuss such complicated things. Learning can be ugly but I would say it’s for the best and somewhere this board is ahead of the curve, to reference another post above.This thread is moving too fast for people. The original posts detailing Kobe's past, uh, misdeeds, was in response to one poster describing him as a great human being. That's all.
Slow down before you post, folks.
You said likely, which puts your take on this 100 levels above a few posters.Dude, you can still appreciate him as an athlete. He was also likely a rapist.
I'd like to apologize for assuming the worst about the mods here. And I appreciate that people disagree on this subject and are passionate about it.I'm sure a mod will be along soon to ask me and Shyness to cease and desist so you can all whitewash the man's history and remember his amazing humanitarianism from your days in high school and college.
Exactly this. Maybe we can do two threads for every mass shooting from now on too. You know, one for the legacy and one that re-discusses gun rights.Now is not the time to discussgun controlKobe's rape
Your posts are bad not only because they assume and call out bad faith on the part of respected long term members of this community, but also because they are expressions, "signals" if you will, of your own sense of virtue and its opposite.I'm mostly referring to discomfort of being called a "cunt" in a PM and being told that someone hopes rabid dogs attack me, but sure. I totally deserve that. Thanks for your thoughts.
When people who've been here a long time give lurkers advice on how to better post, it's usually a good idea to listen to them. Doubling down doesn't tend to work wonders.If you're invested enough to take it to PM, take it there. You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
Keep digging, you've almost got yourself out of that hole.If you're invested enough to take it to PM, take it there. You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
its 60 degrees here, not sure the Angelinos could handle the frigid temperaturesOr Dodger Stadium.
Tremendous.I'm saddened we'll never find out how Shaq's ass taste.
Today I learned rape is a "political stance," and that calling someone a rapist is "such phony virtue signalling." Is it phony because you don't think he raped someone?I just think it's gross to take a moment to tape dance on the mans grave on the day he and his daughter died because you enjoy taking a political stance on the internet. Such phony virtue signalling. I see nobody claiming he was a role model. To attack him as a rapist right now seems phony and gross. All I have and will have to say on that.
RIP Kobe and Gianni Maria (hope that's ok to say here)
How dare you hope rabies on a dogYou're a fucking piece of shit. I hope you're torn apart by a rabid dog.
shaq will no doubt give a moving tribute on TNT. All those guys will. But I’m looking forward to hearing Shaq speak.Tremendous.
Not surprisingly, Shaq was one of the first people I thought of after hearing the news. I know they had a contentious relationship that had grown warmer in recent years.
Seriously. "Virtue signaling?"
We have an annual thread celebrating Thurman Munson's death, FFS.
This thread is moving too fast for people. The original posts detailing Kobe's past, uh, misdeeds, was in response to one poster describing him as a great human being. That's all.
Slow down before you post, folks.
Thank you for your posts in this thread and sticking with it in the face of personal insults.I'd like to apologize for assuming the worst about the mods here. And I appreciate that people disagree on this subject and are passionate about it.
This is a well thought out post and I appreciate that it likely took some restraint not to just name call, as you are clearly passionate about this specific situation. I am too, just from the opposite viewpoint. We obviously have differing opinions on what may or may not be forgivable, and what sins a person can "make up for" later in life. But Crow, and I say this as gently as I can here, I don't think you understand how bad rape is if your first inclination is to protect Kobe Bryant from being called a rapist on an internet forum on the day he dies. I mean, he's dead. And he doesn't know you. And I would say Kobe Bryant did just fine in the aftermath of the whole thing. So, what are you protecting? And why is it unfair of me to point out his misdeeds? And please explain why it's irresponsible. Because that one, I really do not get. If you want to forgive, go ahead, but I think it's irresponsible to forget, not the other way around.1) I am not offended, I'm telling you that you're not accomplishing a single thing or bringing awareness to anything. We're all aware. You're being presumptuous.
2) There is a far deeper, more personal question here that you're skipping right over because of your own apparent inability to see it or acknowledge it. The question is who a person really is once they do something unquestionably bad and evil. I can't possibly answer how people should think about the answer to the question and everyone is fully in their own right to say fuck that, he's a rapist and I have no interest in caring about anything other than his victim. I wouldn't criticize anyone for thinking this way, it's perfectly valid. After all, a very wealthy celebrity doesn't need my forgiveness, right? Who cares anyway?
The other side of it is that someone can believe in rehabilitation and forgiveness. Unfortunately, I have had to practice the latter pretty often in my life surrounded by a couple of criminal relatives. A couple hours ago I sent a happy birthday email to an uncle who is in prison for running a cop over in Florida. My threshold here is just different. So, I think, without rehashing the Kobe case, that it's a fair assumption to say he was guilty. In my opinion, it is also fair to say he made an evil, sometimes unforgivable, mistake in his life but followed it up with a life to be admired which ultimately did a lot of good. It took awhile, but I got there. You don't have to, and that's fine.
3) The issue here isn't whether you're right or wrong or whether he's a rapist to you or a rehabilitated human to me. The issue how aggressively you're dismissing the nuance literally 2 hours after his death to come tell us we're whitewashers and truly imply that we don't understand how bad rape is. I won't call you names, but for that implication, I think you're being irresponsible and unfair.
He admitted to being a rapist.You said likely, which puts your take on this 100 levels above a few posters.
The funny thing is, I hated Kobe until today. I'm a Celtics fan and cursed him for a decade. I'm just saddened that one of the towering sports figures of my generation just died at 41. I never met the guy, and maybe he really did commit a rape. Maybe he didn't and was a total asshole. Or maybe he was a combination of Lebron James and Gandhi.
I only knew him as a legendary and amazing athlete and it's sad that the American sports world lost a figure like that at 41.
Should be Tuesday night before the C's-Heat, right? After that game, it's Lakers-Clippers on TNT.shaq will no doubt give a moving tribute on TNT. All those guys will. But I’m looking forward to hearing Shaq speak.
View: https://youtu.be/ZSe80qSgXVAIf you're invested enough to take it to PM, take it there. You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
No no no. I was taking issue with the lurker who is accusing people of virtue signaling.I don’t understand what you are suggesting I’m saying here. You think I’m virtue signaling? My entire Dead pool roster two years ago was former Yankees, hoping to capitalize on bonus points. I laugh at The Buchholz drawing every time I look at it.
My daughter is in LA, and texted me about a half hour before the first post in this thread saying that the local news was reporting on the helicopter crash, and that it seem like there was something else going on because they kept teasing more info coming. When they reported it was Kobe, my first thought was Munson, not Clemente (I remember both). The unexpectedness, the suddenness on what was otherwise a “slow news day”. I was genuinely surprised no one else had the same thought, nothing more.
Seems that’s right.So they were heading to a game--Kobe, his daughter, another parent and another player, and the pilot?
That's what lots of twitter news folks seems to be saying now.
I understood what TSC was saying. However, was it really hagiography?I disagree. TSC isn't saying "I'm glad he's dead" or even "let's emphasize his bad qualities to his grieving family", TSC was saying "I don't think you need a hagiography of Kobe when discussing him on SoSH".
I don't know about crow in specific, but it seems a few posters don't seem to understand just how bad rape is. Keep reminding them. I'd guess the large majority of SoSH is behind you.This is a well thought out post and I appreciate that it likely took some restraint not to just name call, as you are clearly passionate about this specific situation. I am too, just from the opposite viewpoint. We obviously have differing opinions on what may or may not be forgivable, and what sins a person can "make up for" later in life. But Crow, and I say this as gently as I can here, I don't think you understand how bad rape is if your first inclination is to protect Kobe Bryant from being called a rapist on an internet forum on the day he dies. I mean, he's dead. And he doesn't know you. And I would say Kobe Bryant did just fine in the aftermath of the whole thing. So, what are you protecting? And why is it unfair of me to point out his misdeeds? And please explain why it's irresponsible. Because that one, I really do not get. If you want to forgive, go ahead, but I think it's irresponsible to forget, not the other way around.
Now here's a post we can all agree with.How dare you hope rabies on a dog
Not the first tragedy at Orange Community College
In the famed words of Babe Ruth in “The Sandlot,” “heroes get remembered, but legends never die.”
Those are true words for the late Orange Coast College baseball player Jourdan Watanabe, who in 2009 was a redshirt sophomore who unexpectedly died during the team’s season on Feb. 27.
In the 10 years since, every game and every season, OCC continues to honor Jourdan’s memory with flags, banners and his initials around Wendell Pickens Field.
Aside from being a stand out athlete, Jourdan is still remembered for his exuberant personality and leadership on and off the field.
“He was one of those guys that players would be attracted to because of his personality,” head coach John Altobelli said.
Can one of the lawyers check a database to see if he has a criminal record or was ever arrested (If so, what for).
Except there was a group of people attacking anyone that dare brought up Kobe being a rapist. We don’t need to wait or not discuss it just because he was good at basketball.I understood what TSC was saying. However, was it really hagiography?
As other posters have mentioned, most here followed Kobe's case closely. Posting about the timing of his death, his stature of an athlete, his post-career deeds, etc. does not mean Kobe's being idolized here nor "whitewashing" his past deeds.
This thread is moving too fast for people. The original posts detailing Kobe's past, uh, misdeeds, was in response to one poster describing him as a great human being. That's all.
Slow down before you post, folks.
It's also amazing to me that so many of the members here post without reading anything posted in the threadI see it as a group of people working out how we discuss such complicated things. Learning can be ugly but I would say it’s for the best and somewhere this board is ahead of the curve, to reference another post above.