Sounds more like they put in an offer for the house and during the inspection found out they needed to replace the heating system and roof within the next 6 months. Now they are looking for some compensation given the asset they are purchasing is worse than expected.
Yeah, a lot of people are incorrectly downplaying how severe Thomas's injury could be. This could be anything from a minor disagreement on timetable to the basketball equivalent of figuring out a pither who was on the DL for dead arm needs rotator cuff surgery.
If that's a real offer, sure. Haven't seen anything to suggest that it is, and strikes me as something that would be done already if it were.
Personally, I'm more downplaying the possibility that Ainge tried to sell the Cabs a bill of goods.
I don't think anyone is downplaying how severe IT's condition could be. We are dumbfounded that the Cavs FO - who hopefully has a few more resources than I do - couldn't begin to understand the potential severity of IT's condition. I mean check out this article from May 21, 2017: https://docflynn.com/2017/05/21/isaiah-thomas-hip-injury/
The problem is that you can't do a physical until the trade is completed. Injuries are incredibly complex, and looking at some MRIs and another doctor's report isn't the same as your doctor doing their own tests and examinations.
Pretty sure the Celtics relationships with IT and Crowder are at the point of no return.
The Celtics are not winning a title this year, with or without IT, and IT was never coming back next year. Who cares? Crowder whatever. He still has plenty of value and can be shipped elsewhere if need be. Neither presents such a significant issue it's worth mortgaging the future over.
Now that we know Isaiah's physical WASN'T waived you'd have to assume a contingency plan was in place as both sides had to know that he'd never pass a physical based on him still not being cleared for basketball activities at the time of the trade.
If the deal falls apart no one is upping their offer for Irving because they know that Cleveland's only viable option for a big return is now gone. If Ainge walks away the Cavs are fucked because they won't get anything to help them with the post-LeBron rebuild. Do you know who's really happy today? Kevin Pritchard, because his pupu platter return on George is going to look a whole lot better than the deal the Cavs are going to end up making.
Tell Lil' Zeke's agent to see if he can find a landing spot for Thomas and when Altman calls back let him know that you've moved on and that he shouldn't be calling you in the future.
I'm not sure about this. Let Cleveland find a better offer than the Brooklyn pick/Crowder/Zizic.
I would not be shocked to find out that Gilbert OK'ed the deal without knowing IT was injured. He seems like a real buffoon.
I don't think anyone has anything to gain from a grudge. I just think once things have gone this far you get it done if it's reasonable. If it's not then I guess you walk away but it could make for a very bad situation in the locker room.
Bledsoe, a draft bust, and the Miami #1 is not a better offer. Because Miami is a likely playoff team, despite the fact that they'll probably only win 38 games. And Bledsoe's knees are so bad at this point that he's unlikely to see the far side of 30 in his NBA life (he's bone on bone in one of the knees and close to that in the other).
The injury as publicly described meant that Thomas has an arthritic hip. That pretty much always comes with a loss of quickness, it's unavoidable.
With Thomas, sure, but I think everyone has to admit now that Boston was never re-signing him anyway. I agree that Crowder will be pissed this morning, at the Cavaliers. Boston tried to accommodate him by trading him to a contender, so I doubt he's angry at Boston.
You have to be a special kind of stupid to know you just traded for a guy who hasn't yet been physically cleared to play due to an injury the entire internet were told about.
No, I get that.
"For one, the relationship between the Cavs and Irving is said to be damaged beyond repair. Thomas and his camp are equally dismayed with Boston’s front office and do not want to return, sources said."
This is where I am. Isaiah can't play for a while. Jae is unhappy. Not ideal, but the Celtics are essentially where they were a week ago.
Again, who cares? Everyone now knows that Boston never had the intention of re-signing him. His only path to a big contract is to get as healthy as he can and get out on the floor and play well. If he sits out the year the best he does elsewhere is a "show me" deal, by which time he's 30 and nigh on his expiration date.
It's even worse than that, essentially the Cavs are Lucy, jerking the football away from Irving as he's about to kick it. Yesterday he was a member of a second tier contender with two other all stars, talented young players, and a couple of potential high draft picks. This morning he's back in Cleveland and his next stop is probably a non-contender in the western conference.
4A - and maybe this is implied in your #4 - is Ainge INTENTIONALLY underplayed the injury but planned ALL ALONG to "add a real asset" if found out, which, yes, would absolutely suck.
In today's media environment? A nicely convenient second trade for Kyrie would raise some eyebrows.
Possible, but why would you do that? It really undermines your credibility to mislead another team about the health of a guy in a deal, and you lose a lot of leverage negotiating 'out' of that misrepresentation rather than just negotiating on the merits of the guys and their current health initially. The only reason to try is because you think 'maybe they won't figure it out' and that's pretty weak and unlikely. They supposedly already traded medical records, so Cleveland has to be arguing that something in the in-person exam was different or more severe than shown in the records.
The only difference in my 4A scenario and your 4 scenario is that in yours Ainge underplayed the IT injury and is a fool for doing so because now he's forced to toss in assets and in mine Ainge isn't a fool for underplaying the injury, he just tried to get away with it and was fully prepared all along to throw in more assets later if need be.
Would raise eyebrows, for sure, but "raised eyebrows" and "proof of tampering" are 2 very different things.
