Miguel Alfredo Gonzalez Free to Sign
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@JeffPassan: Cuban RHP Miguel Alfredo Gonzalez and Philadelphia Phillies have agreed on six-year deal worth more than $50M, club source tells Y! Sports.
I wonder what Ben offered. This is disappointing as he could have been a solid addition to the rotation or the bullpen this year and would have given them a young arm for the future. His ceiling is apparently middle of the rotation, and they may have a number of prospects who already fit that bill, but it sounds like Gonzalez is closer to major league ready than most of them.
soxhop411 said:
Depending on how you break down the contract, that's less than they paid for Daisuke. And if you look a few pages back I posted a list of players who were worth around 10 million last year. I don't think it's all that crazy to think that Gonzalez could end up in that range for value.
I probably wouldn't have gone much higher, but if it was Ben signing him to that contract, I wouldn't be worried about it.
Don't know how to double quote on the iPhone but.
I think the issue is so many scouts had a different opinion on him. Some saw him as a long man/RP and some saw him as a SP
“@JeffPassan: Final details on Miguel Alfredo Gonzalez deal: six years, $48M guaranteed, with a vesting option for a seventh year at $11M.”
So the Philips are gambling that he will be a starter and not a high paid reliever
I think the issue is so many scouts had a different opinion on him. Some saw him as a long man/RP and some saw him as a SP
“@JeffPassan: Final details on Miguel Alfredo Gonzalez deal: six years, $48M guaranteed, with a vesting option for a seventh year at $11M.”
So the Philips are gambling that he will be a starter and not a high paid reliever
I'm not sure if you're joking, but if not, can people stop spreading this? The chair thing was over a week before the Contreras negotiations.Soxfan in Fla said:
Soxfan in Fla said:
I agree. This was exactly the kind of acquisition I would have liked to see by the Red Sox now -- help for the remainder of this season, but much more for 2014 and following years. I hope the Red Sox' talent evaluation was correct in this valuation decision.
How will Gonzalez take to the Philly boos when things don't go quite as planned?
Going by the different opinions of him from scouts (and every scout had a different opinion) i can kind of see why the sox didn't out bid PHI on him. He could wind up anywhere from a middle of the rotation pitcher, to a long man in the BP, and given the money PHI gave him, they are hoping he turns into a good starter.... I dont think that scouts opinions were as varied on Cespedes or Darvish as they are on Gonzalez which is not a good thingSprowl said:
Well part of the calculus was always that the Red Sox would rather overpay in money than in prospects, so they were more willing to gamble on MAG.
Oh well. Interested to get a look at him. Given that the Phillles need to start winning ASAP if they're going to have any shot at overtaking The Braves, we'll probably see him sooner rather than later.
Oh well. Interested to get a look at him. Given that the Phillles need to start winning ASAP if they're going to have any shot at overtaking The Braves, we'll probably see him sooner rather than later.
I get the idea that scouts' opinions varied, but from the Phillies' point of view it's really not that steep a gamble. If he can take a spot in the rotation--any spot--he's a bargain. If he's not, they can decide whether he's worth overpaying as a reliever; if he is, they pay him, if he's not, they can subsidize his contract and send him out to Houston, the Marlins or some other team willing to put low-cost detritus in the back end of their rotation.soxhop411 said:
Having said that, if the consensus is that his ceiling is middle of the rotation, I can see why Ben didn't bother getting into a bidding war. They don't really need another one of those guys this year or, presumably, in the next few years either.
That's lame.
It feels like we haven't made a splash signing like that since Dice-K (I'm forgetting about Crawford because...yeah).
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Not that I'm saying we need to.
Just feels like we don't do it.
It feels like we haven't made a splash signing like that since Dice-K (I'm forgetting about Crawford because...yeah).
(EDIT)
Not that I'm saying we need to.
Just feels like we don't do it.
E5 Yaz said:
I remember the disappointment when the Sox sat out the bidding for Chapman, and while he's plenty good at what he does, he hasn't even reached 200 total innings. MAG is already 26 - I don't see anywhere near the real or perceived upside that Chapman had upon signing, and he's not coming over with sustained and/or recent excellence like most of the Japanese pitchers who make the jump.
I'm all for adding talent whenever possible but with the pitching coming through the system, the Sox should be able to replicate MAG's contributions at a tiny fraction of the cost. I'm not losing any sleep over this one either, E5.
E5 Yaz said:
If 60 million over 5 years could have gotten it done, I'd have liked to have seen them pull the trigger, but it seems 6 years with a 7th year option was necessary and being on the hook for that many years is probably what drove Ben away. It's one thing to control a player that long, it's another to pay them 8 million a year for that long with a chance of a 7th year at 11 million. If nothing else, Ben probably wanted to avoid setting the precedent of paying a free agent for up to 7 years... especially a guy who isn't likely to be an impact star. I'm okay with that decision.
It's interesting that Gonzalez went for a longer contract, as a 4 year deal would have gotten him back on the free agent market at around 30. Now he'll be out of his prime before he has another chance to cash in. His career earnings may end up taking a hit this way, but it's tough to argue with 48 million guaranteed and the chance to trigger an option that would bring it up to 59.
Given that Gonzalez went for $48 over 6 with a chance at $59 over 7, I'm having trouble coming up with a scenario where $60 over 5 wouldn't have gotten it done. Looks like Ben just didn't think he was worth that much.Snodgrass'Muff said:
He doesn't have a Visa yet, so it won't happen at least until he gets that's then gets a physical.staz said:
seems as if talks have hit a snag and it MIGHT not happen
http://zozone.mlblogs.com/2013/08/06/deal-for-cuban-might-not-happen-at-all/
Wonder if the Sox would try and sign him for less if this fall through, or if they stay away due to the health issues
http://zozone.mlblogs.com/2013/08/06/deal-for-cuban-might-not-happen-at-all/
Wonder if the Sox would try and sign him for less if this fall through, or if they stay away due to the health issues
I intended to post this here a few days ago but got distracted:
Matt Huegel @MattHuegelSP
On last tweet, heard #RedSox were very competitive and disappointed they missed out on Miguel Alfredo Gonzalez. Door might be opening again.
The bold italics refers to this:
Matt Huegel @MattHuegelSP
On last tweet, heard #RedSox were very competitive and disappointed they missed out on Miguel Alfredo Gonzalez. Door might be opening again.
The bold italics refers to this:
We were competitive and disappointed we missed him before we traded for Jake Peavy, who we will be paying $15 million next year. And that was before the Phillies might have had second thoughts.
I hope we're still in on him, but I'd be surprised if we offered as much as we did for him before Peavy.
I hope we're still in on him, but I'd be surprised if we offered as much as we did for him before Peavy.
I dunno. If the Sox are comfortable with the medicals, he's still a young, MLB ready starter with upside. Peavy or someone else might be trade bait in the offseason, or maybe they'd want MAG to pitch in Pawtucket for a little bit to re-acclimate to the season grind. The upside he presents is difficult to ignore; his medicals may change the price, but I dunno if the presence of another short-term starter will.
New deal has been signed, 3 years 12 mill with a vesting option for a 4th season
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/08/phillies-sign-miguel-alfredo-gonzalez.html
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/08/phillies-sign-miguel-alfredo-gonzalez.html
6/48 down to 3/12.... Yikes, a Napoli-esque drop.MakMan44 said:
Considering most pitchers have some chronic changes on MRI anyway, Gonzalez' scan must have looked like a total train wreck. If no one out there could beat 3/12, everyone's team docs basically said "this guys elbow is toast".
Would seem very bizarre to take a huge paycut from the initial terms without seeing if other teams out there had the same view of his medicals. The Phillies didn't own his rights.MakMan44 said:
No way the agent just took the Phillies' word for his new "post MRI" value and willingly lost 36 million dollars without seeing what other teams thought about it too.
I doubt there was exclusive rights here. Somethings up with his age, elbow, shoulder...something.
