soxhop411 said:“@JesseSanchezMLB: Phillies make deal with Miguel Alfredo Gonzalez for 6-years, $60 million http://t.co/nYXWc65AHj”
Seems a lot IMO
He'll have to be pretty terrible to not be worth that contract.soxhop411 said:“@JesseSanchezMLB: Phillies make deal with Miguel Alfredo Gonzalez for 6-years, $60 million http://t.co/nYXWc65AHj”
Seems a lot IMO
I'm not sure if you're joking, but if not, can people stop spreading this? The chair thing was over a week before the Contreras negotiations.Soxfan in Fla said:I'd love to see them get this done. Hope Cashman ends throwing chairs this time.
Soxfan in Fla said:Time to smash a chair. Dammit.
Going by the different opinions of him from scouts (and every scout had a different opinion) i can kind of see why the sox didn't out bid PHI on him. He could wind up anywhere from a middle of the rotation pitcher, to a long man in the BP, and given the money PHI gave him, they are hoping he turns into a good starter.... I dont think that scouts opinions were as varied on Cespedes or Darvish as they are on Gonzalez which is not a good thingSprowl said:I agree. This was exactly the kind of acquisition I would have liked to see by the Red Sox now -- help for the remainder of this season, but much more for 2014 and following years. I hope the Red Sox' talent evaluation was correct in this valuation decision.
How will Gonzalez take to the Philly boos when things don't go quite as planned?
I get the idea that scouts' opinions varied, but from the Phillies' point of view it's really not that steep a gamble. If he can take a spot in the rotation--any spot--he's a bargain. If he's not, they can decide whether he's worth overpaying as a reliever; if he is, they pay him, if he's not, they can subsidize his contract and send him out to Houston, the Marlins or some other team willing to put low-cost detritus in the back end of their rotation.soxhop411 said:Don't know how to double quote on the iPhone but.
I think the issue is so many scouts had a different opinion on him. Some saw him as a long man/RP and some saw him as a SP
“@JeffPassan: Final details on Miguel Alfredo Gonzalez deal: six years, $48M guaranteed, with a vesting option for a seventh year at $11M.”
So the Philips are gambling that he will be a starter and not a high paid reliever
dynomite said:Well part of the calculus was always that the Red Sox would rather overpay in money than in prospects, so they were more willing to gamble on MAG.
Oh well. Interested to get a look at him. Given that the Phillles need to start winning ASAP if they're going to have any shot at overtaking The Braves, we'll probably see him sooner rather than later.
E5 Yaz said:The guy hasn't pitched competetively since 2011 and some teams were red flagged over perceived elbow issues ... and people are upset the Sox didn't spend $60M-$70M on him?
E5 Yaz said:The guy hasn't pitched competetively since 2011 and some teams were red flagged over perceived elbow issues ... and people are upset the Sox didn't spend $60M-$70M on him?
Given that Gonzalez went for $48 over 6 with a chance at $59 over 7, I'm having trouble coming up with a scenario where $60 over 5 wouldn't have gotten it done. Looks like Ben just didn't think he was worth that much.Snodgrass'Muff said:If 60 million over 5 years could have gotten it done, I'd have liked to have seen them pull the trigger, but it seems 6 years with a 7th year option was necessary and being on the hook for that many years is probably what drove Ben away. It's one thing to control a player that long, it's another to pay them 8 million a year for that long with a chance of a 7th year at 11 million. If nothing else, Ben probably wanted to avoid setting the precedent of paying a free agent for up to 7 years... especially a guy who isn't likely to be an impact star. I'm okay with that decision.
It's interesting that Gonzalez went for a longer contract, as a 4 year deal would have gotten him back on the free agent market at around 30. Now he'll be out of his prime before he has another chance to cash in. His career earnings may end up taking a hit this way, but it's tough to argue with 48 million guaranteed and the chance to trigger an option that would bring it up to 59.
He doesn't have a Visa yet, so it won't happen at least until he gets that's then gets a physical.staz said:Any word on when this will be made official? (Not seeing any roster move by PHI yet.)
Everybody waiting for the Phillies to officially announce an agreement with Cuban right-hander Miguel Alfredo Gonzalez might be waiting a while.
In fact, an announcement might never happen.
A source indicated to MLB.com tonight the two parties had hit a snag since word quickly spread July 26 the parties had agreed to a six-year, $48 million contract that included an $11 million option for 2019.
The Phillies have said nothing about Gonzalez since the story broke, not even as much as acknowledging anything might be cooking with the Cuban. Asked just before tonight’s game against the Cubs at Citizens Bank Park if a deal with Gonzalez might no longer happen, Phillies general manager Ruben Amaro Jr. repeatedly declined comment.
Since the agreement late last month numerous reports have mentioned scouts with questions about Gonzalez’s elbow. He had bone spurs removed from his elbow sometime within the past two years, although it has been written he had made a full recovery.
Scouts that have seen him pitch recently consider him a No. 3 starter in the big leagues, which would have helped the Phillies entering 2014.
Talks with Cuban pitching prospect stalled
PHILADELPHIA -- Everybody waiting for the Phillies to officially announce an agreement with Cuban right-hander Miguel Alfredo Gonzalez might be waiting a while.
In fact, an announcement might never happen.
A source indicated to MLB.com on Tuesday that the two parties had hit a snag since word quickly spread July 26 the parties had agreed to a six-year, $48 million contract that included an $11 million option for 2019.
The Phillies have said nothing about Gonzalez since the story broke, not even as much as acknowledging anything might be cooking with the Cuban. Asked just before Tuesday night's game against the Cubs at Citizens Bank Park if a deal with Gonzalez might no longer happen, Phillies general manager Ruben Amaro Jr. repeatedly declined comment.
Since the agreement late last month, numerous reports have mentioned scouts with questions about Gonzalez's elbow. He had bone spurs removed from his elbow sometime within the past two years, although it has been written he had made a full recovery.
Scouts who have seen him pitch recently consider him a No. 3 starter in the big leagues, which would have helped the Phillies entering 2014.
soxhop411 said:
seems as if talks have hit a snag and it MIGHT not happen
http://zozone.mlblogs.com/2013/08/06/deal-for-cuban-might-not-happen-at-all/
Wonder if the Sox would try and sign him for less if this fall through, or if they stay away due to the health issues
@MattHuegelSP
On last tweet, heard #RedSox were very competitive and disappointed they missed out on Miguel Alfredo Gonzalez. Door might be opening again.
6/48 down to 3/12.... Yikes, a Napoli-esque drop.MakMan44 said:New deal has been signed, 3 years 12 mill with a vesting option for a 4th season
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/08/phillies-sign-miguel-alfredo-gonzalez.html
Would seem very bizarre to take a huge paycut from the initial terms without seeing if other teams out there had the same view of his medicals. The Phillies didn't own his rights.MakMan44 said:We didn't hear a THING about him talking with other teams after the first deal with the Phills fell through, I wonder if he even contacted other teams or vice versa.