mwonow said:SoSH: where a discussion "about" Mookie Betts veers from Sheffield to Monsanto in under 10 posts!
We all would have benefitted more if Blake and Mookie had taught the man to hit two home runs in a gamemt8thsw9th said:
I'd be more scared if it wasn't obvious that the Monsanto reference was purely in jest.
That said, I'd like if the players were more by-the-bootstraps, personal responsibility types and instead of giving the man a pizza, taught the man how to make a pizza.
kieckeredinthehead said:We all would have benefitted more if Blake and Mookie had taught the man to hit two home runs in a game
He's also a 22 year old kid. I am glad some of the asinine shit I did at 22 isn't on camera (that I know of...)BroodsSexton said:The point is that it's pretty hard to make qualitative judgments about a person's character (i.e. that he is a "great person") because he gave a pizza to a homeless guy as part of a superstitious effort to hit home runs. I'm sure Mookie's the salt of the earth, but let's not get crazy here.
If you turn it around, the idea that he would need this little demonstration of correlation to conclude it's good to help the homeless (or that he only did it because it worked for Swihart!) is kind of messed up.
IdiotKicker said:There is a lot of Gary Sheffield in that 7th inning home run swing. From a baseball perspective, that's a really good thing.
Trotsky said:extension? I'd love to see both Xander and Mookie locked up for a long time together.
... strongly refuted the notion that he discourages all of his clients from signing extensions before reaching free agency. “I always let players make their decisions,” said Boras. “People say I always go to free agency. I can give you 15 players that did not go to free agency.” While he’s correct in stating that his clients don’t all reach free agency as early as possible, the vast majority of them do. Nonetheless, notable examples (via MLBTR’s Extension Tracker) such as Jered Weaver, Elvis Andrus, Carlos Gomez, Carlos Gonzalez, Carlos Pena and Ryan Madson each signed contracts that gave up free agent years in the guaranteed portion of their contracts.
ehaz said:Offer them both 8 years/$100 million? That's a load of money to turn down for a 22 year old. And they'd be inline for free agent pay days at their age 31 seasons.
Pete Abraham @PeteAbe 8m8 minutes ago
#RedSox OF Mookie Betts has been entered in the Professional Bowlers Association event in Reno Dec. 7-19.
nattysez said:
Have to figure out whether this is televised at all. I love Mookie, but driving all the way to Reno to watch him bowl would be excessive.
Mookie seems to be at the center of the action more, which was my very unscientific way of deciding between two relative equals (that as a Sox fan I don't actually have to decide between, thankfully).ji oh said:Sickels asks people to vote on whether they would rather have Mookie or Xander for the next ten years.
http://www.minorleagueball.com/2015/10/20/9577009/mookie-betts-or-xander-bogaerts
It's now at 52/48 Mookie, which has to be within the MoE at this sample size. Basically a toss-up. What a great question to have to argue over for the next few years.chrisfont9 said:Mookie seems to be at the center of the action more, which was my very unscientific way of deciding between two relative equals (that as a Sox fan I don't actually have to decide between, thankfully).
nattysez said:
Have to figure out whether this is televised at all. I love Mookie, but driving all the way to Reno to watch him bowl would be excessive.
Uhhhh, I know he didn't hit a lot of home runs this year... but Xander was 2nd in the AL in average and hits and 12th in doubles.Wake's knuckle said:Baseball is hard. Take the guy who's already hitting at a high level. Mookie!
geoduck no quahog said:Fuck Sickels. I want both.
This I think could be important. Betts is 9 years younger than Pedroia. Pedroia recently turned 32 and is signed for another 6 seasons, through age 38.grimshaw said:Betts should get some bonus points for versatility as he could help out at 2nd (probably at a high level still).
threecy said:Biggio moved from 2B to OF in his mid 30s...Carew shifted from 2B at age 30...Molitor at age 34
threecy said:While he's still elite defensively, Pedoria's injuries could trigger the need for moving him to a less demanding position...
Pedroia will move to another position from second base at the same age Joe Morgan did. Pedroia's not an outfielder. As far as getting hurt, is a player at any position except catcher really any more susceptible to injury than he is at other positions? Another thing, Pedroia is quick with those short legs of his, but he's probably not fast enough to be a good outfielder.threecy said:This I think could be important. Betts is 9 years younger than Pedroia. Pedroia recently turned 32 and is signed for another 6 seasons, through age 38.
While he's still elite defensively, Pedoria's injuries could trigger the need for moving him to a less demanding position (or perhaps trigger the team to move him to a less demanding position so that he's more easily replaced when injured). It could make sense in the next few years to swap a LF Betts with 2B Pedroia.
Biggio moved from 2B to OF in his mid 30s...Carew shifted from 2B at age 30...Molitor at age 34
Al Zarilla said:Pedroia will move to another position from second base at the same age Joe Morgan did.
I'd say you interpreted it correctly. Pedey isn't moving.Pozo the Clown said:
I'm assuming you're referring to Hall of Famer Joe Morgan (as opposed to Walpole Joe Morgan). According to B-Ref http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/morgajo02-field.shtml of the 2,527 games played by the other Joe Morgan, he played 1 game in LF in '67 (age 23); 1 game in LF in '68 (age 24); a whopping 12 games in LF and 2 games in CF in '69 (age 25); 3 games at 3B in '82 (age 38) and 5 games at DH in '84 (age 40). Thus, I will interpret your post to mean that Pedey will remain a 2nd basemen 'til they tear the uni off of him. Please correct me if I've misinterpreted your post.
Yes, the Joe Morgan I meant was the hall of fame second baseman. And yes, I'd be very surprised if the Red Sox ever asked Pedey to play the outfield, but they don't confide in me either. I don't know how Mookie feels about playing OF long term. Would he be happy as a lifetime outfielder? I don't know why not but who knows what makes people tick?Pozo the Clown said:
I'm assuming you're referring to Hall of Famer Joe Morgan (as opposed to Walpole Joe Morgan). According to B-Ref http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/morgajo02-field.shtml of the 2,527 games played by the other Joe Morgan, he played 1 game in LF in '67 (age 23); 1 game in LF in '68 (age 24); a whopping 12 games in LF and 2 games in CF in '69 (age 25); 3 games at 3B in '82 (age 38) and 5 games at DH in '84 (age 40). Thus, I will interpret your post to mean that Pedey will remain a 2nd basemen 'til they tear the uni off of him. Please correct me if I've misinterpreted your post.
Pozo the Clown said:
I'm assuming you're referring to Hall of Famer Joe Morgan (as opposed to Walpole Joe Morgan). According to B-Ref http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/morgajo02-field.shtml of the 2,527 games played by the other Joe Morgan, he played 1 game in LF in '67 (age 23); 1 game in LF in '68 (age 24); a whopping 12 games in LF and 2 games in CF in '69 (age 25); 3 games at 3B in '82 (age 38) and 5 games at DH in '84 (age 40). Thus, I will interpret your post to mean that Pedey will remain a 2nd basemen 'til they tear the uni off of him. Please correct me if I've misinterpreted your post.
Al Zarilla said:Yes, the Joe Morgan I meant was the hall of fame second baseman. And yes, I'd be very surprised if the Red Sox ever asked Pedey to play the outfield, but they don't confide in me either. I don't know how Mookie feels about playing OF long term. Would he be happy as a lifetime outfielder? I don't know why not but who knows what makes people tick?
People have been talking about locking up Mookie long term. Mookie is a decade younger than Pedroia, meaning that in that scenario, Mookie would still be with the Red Sox during Pedroia's decline and retirement. People have also been talking about how Mookie could be bumped over to LF if JBJ can stick, and how he loses some of his value in LF.benhogan said:This Pedey 2018, 'do we move him off 2nd' hijack is silly...ranking right up there with Sean Too's idea of trading him last year.
I get the logic behind this, but given the way Pedey kills himself in the field, I could see him hobbling himself trying to make a play that he shouldn't.keninten said:I really think Pedey will lose his bat before his fielding. That long swing that alot of people thought would not make it in the big leagues will probably fall off fast once he loses the bat speed. He`s such a competitor he may retire when it happens regardless of his contract.
He just turned 23 years old. and it's not like his time at second base was that long ago. Last year, Mookie played more minor league games at 2B than OF. In addition last year, he started 14 MLB games at 2B.timlinin8th said:Back to Mookie, I think at this point he's put enough time into playing the outfield that transitioning him back to 2B would be a risky maneuver. Better to try some other completely separate option there than screwing with what is working - this team has tried that in the past with horrific results.
threecy said:He just turned 23 years old. and it's not like his time at second base was that long ago. Last year, Mookie played more minor league games at 2B than OF. In addition last year, he started 14 MLB games at 2B.
Savin Hillbilly said:
That would be a valid argument if we needed a 2B now. But we don't, and unless things go very wrong very fast, we won't need one until it's been a pretty long time since Betts played 2B.
nvalvo said:
Is this an argument to keep Betts fresh at 2B by giving him, e.g. 10-20 starts a year at the position when Pedroia is resting or injured?
I know Pedroia doesn't like to take games off, but now that he's turning 32, it might make sense to shoot for 145 games.