jon abbey said:
Maybe they are planning to merge with the Sixers.
What was his 3-cone drill?Cellar-Door said:Thornton, can shoot. 39% from 3, he had the 2nd highest max vertical, 4th quickest shuttle eun at the combine (Rozier was 3rd), fastest combine sprint, and he's short. That's all I got.
That is closely guarded secret. Known only to him, Danny Ainge, Austin Ainge, and a panel of phrenologists.RedOctober3829 said:What was his 3-cone drill?
Cellar-Door said:That is closely guarded secret. Known only to him, Danny Ainge, Austin Ainge, and a panel of phrenologists.
The player doesn't have to be Euro to stash.bowiac said:They couldn't find a Euro to stash?
#2 rated 2014 recruit Cliff Alexander too. He was the consolation prize to Okafor.Cellar-Door said:Wood, Upshaw, Holmes among the notable undrafteds.
Cellar-Door said:Brandon Ashley too I forgot.
He and Upshaw both already signed with the Lakers for Summer League at least.radsoxfan said:
I kinda liked Ashley actually, wouldn't mind him as a FA on the summer league team.
I agree. I did not like the Smart pick, and I don't like this either.The_Powa_of_Seiji_Ozawa said:This draft night for the Celtics has an opening-up-Al-Capone's-safe feel to it.
Neither are the Lakers property however so they can accept a training camp invite from any team who offers.Cellar-Door said:He and Upshaw both already signed with the Lakers for Summer League at least.
And he was actually pretty good for the Celtics last year once he got going. Oh, wait...Cellar-Door said:Thornton, can shoot. 39% from 3, he had the 2nd highest max vertical, 4th quickest shuttle eun at the combine (Rozier was 3rd), fastest combine sprint, and he's short. That's all I got.
Still? Marcus is going to be in the NBA for a long time.I agree. I did not like the Smart pick, and I don't like this either.
Yeah that makes some sense. Have to wait until deals are done. They do need another guy to get in the paint off the dribble. In isolation adding these guys to the current mix seems odd. Somebody is probably getting traded.Silent Chief said:The only guy on the team that could consistently create his own offense when things broke down last year was Thomas. With these picks it looks like Danny added a little more dynamics to the offense
Devizier said:Barring a trade, this looks like a team stuck in neutral.
RedOctober3829 said:The problem that I have with this team is that they have to make certain moves this offseason to set themselves up to acquire a superstar when the cap goes up.
Rozier is a terrible finisher at the time as well. He does appear to have a quicker first step than Smart who will never be effective off the dribble as he simply doesn't have a quick first step which is necessary in the NBA whereas he was able to physically bully his way into the paint against Big-12 college guards and drew contact to get to the line. Smart is your prototypical 3 and D guy who needs to become a more consistent 3-point shooter.CreightonGubanich said:Both Bradley and Smart last year showed a maddening inability to get into the paint off the dribble. I haven't given up on Smart in this regard, because I think he was just a little unsure of himself taking the ball to the basket. But he might never have that skill, and Bradley will never be a good enough ball handler to create much off the dribble. If Rozier is more of a Kyle Lowry-type penetrating guard, that's a skill the Celtics sorely need. The pieces still clearly don't fit together, but Rozier's an interesting pick to me.
Just saw this from Lowe:bankshot1 said:Any idea what the rumored package Ainge offered to move from 16 to 9?
bowiac said:Just saw this from Lowe:
https://twitter.com/ZachLowe_NBA/status/614467972854362112
I can see why Ainge was annoyed - it sounds like he offered a pretty great package.
Heard Celtics offered 4 picks (at least 3 of them 1st-round) for No. 9. Both firsts yesterday, assume Dal protected and another protected.
Thanksbowiac said:Just saw this from Lowe:
https://twitter.com/ZachLowe_NBA/status/614467972854362112
I can see why Ainge was annoyed - it sounds like he offered a pretty great package.
It certainly matters. I think he's a pretty strong GM because of moves like this. My claim was that he's an excellent trader, but only an average judge of talent. Average at drafting and A+ at trading means he's pretty good overall. Not top tier, but in the second level.CaptainLaddie said:What about picks traded? I mean, he moved talent for picks and then moved those picks and more talent for Allen and KG? Doesn't that matter?
Besides the fact that you can't do that (every GM has "swing for the fences" moves like this, so pulling out Ainge's failed move isn't fair), this also doesn't move the needle much. Melo was the 22nd overall pick - an average return in that spot would have been 1.1 VORP (1.1 wins across 4 seasons). Pulling that out moves Ainge from 14th to 13th only.southshoresoxfan said:I think hes a good talent eval and great drafter. I bet if you took away the Fab Melo pick (which was obv a huge swing for the fence move when they had back to back picks) his value as a drafter takes a huge leap. And yes im aware thats cherry picking. But theres a legit circumstance behind the cherry pick.
I think it might be interesting to pull the best and worst value picks from each GM.bowiac said:Besides the fact that you can't do that (every GM has "swing for the fences" moves like this, so pulling out Ainge's failed move isn't fair), this also doesn't move the needle much. Melo was the 22nd overall pick - an average return in that spot would have been 1.1 VORP (1.1 wins across 4 seasons). Pulling that out moves Ainge from 14th to 13th only.
Maybe. I don't like screwing with the sample size, as it's already pretty limited. I'm still cleaning up the data for now (just found Royce White was being coded as drafted by the Kings, since he never played for the Rockets for instance).Cellar-Door said:I think it might be interesting to pull the best and worst value picks from each GM.
I don't think it would help Danny any, but it might be a better way of measuring.
It would be interesting to see the results with top 10 (or top 5) picks removed. My hypothesis is that a lot of the GM's/teams above Ainge have their averages inflated by hitting on a superstar on with an early pick, something Ainge has not really had the chance to do. I would guess that the spread between actual and expected production is largest among those picks. Not to say there is not some skill in making the right choice with those picks (see Thabeet, Hasheem) but there is a lot of luck in being in the right spot in the right draft.bowiac said:Maybe. I don't like screwing with the sample size, as it's already pretty limited. I'm still cleaning up the data for now (just found Royce White was being coded as drafted by the Kings, since he never played for the Rockets for instance).
Swedgin said:It would be interesting to see the results with top 10 (or top 5) picks removed. My hypothesis is that a lot of the GM's/teams above Ainge have their averages inflated by hitting on a superstar on with an early pick, something Ainge has not really had the chance to do.