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The Social Chair said:
The Heat are just not that good when Lebron sits. Wade, Allen, Bosh, Chalmers, Lewis is a are lucky man he they got to hitch his their wagon to Lebron.
 

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Any questions about how valuable LeBron is were pretty definitively answered during those last three minutes. The Heat went from a championship juggernaut to a .500 team in the blink of an eye.
 
I think .500 is being generous, particularly since Wade would break down pretty quickly.
 
Deeper team benefited from the conditions.
 

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And save the bullshit about MJ or Larry.  Larry Bird missed plenty of playoff minutes due to a bad back and a leg cramp isn't a fucking flu.  I don't love the Heat but LeBron is a two time champion who has never looked soft up to now and now all these people who rarely watch the NBA are now experts on the game and what it takes to play it.
 

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Ed Hillel said:
Well, Larry never would have done that.
I think the C's would have slowed down the game on offense and set picks for him to shoot and would've picked up for him on D.  Definitely would have done everything he could to stay in the game.
 

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Hard to believe LeBron's calves tightened and hardened up like that considering he consists of pillowy softness and baby tears.
 
AMIRITE, riboflav??   
 

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DeJesus Built My Hotrod said:
And save the bullshit about MJ or Larry.  Larry Bird missed plenty of playoff minutes due to a bad back and a leg cramp isn't a fucking flu.  I don't love the Heat but LeBron is a two time champion who has never looked soft up to now and now all these people who rarely watch the NBA are now experts on the game and what it takes to play it.
LeBron has never looked soft up to now?  Not ever ever in the playoffs?  Interesting.
 

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Grin&MartyBarret said:
Serious? I'm not saying the Heat would have won otherwise, but it sucks that LeBron didn't play crunch time minutes.
He was the only guy playing in the heat? He's cramped in finals before btw. I'm pretty sure it's preventable, even in the heat.
 

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lars10 said:
I think the C's would have slowed down the game on offense and set picks for him to shoot and would've picked up for him on D.  Definitely would have done everything he could to stay in the game.
 
 
you could easier play basketball without an acl than with a leg cramp
 

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DeJesus Built My Hotrod said:
And save the bullshit about MJ or Larry.  Larry Bird missed plenty of playoff minutes due to a bad back and a leg cramp isn't a fucking flu.  I don't love the Heat but LeBron is a two time champion who has never looked soft up to now and now all these people who rarely watch the NBA are now experts on the game and what it takes to play it.
You forgetting the left-handed FTs? I don't think he's a soft player, but he shouldn't be cramping and he's had his moments. It's on him and the coaching/medical staff.
 

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Ed Hillel said:
He was the only guy playing in the heat? He's cramped in finals before btw. I'm pretty sure it's preventable, even in the heat.
Oh, right. The narrative. Sorry, momentarily forgot I have to prefer LeBron's failure to good basketball.
 

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Grin&MartyBarret said:
Oh, right. The narrative. Sorry, momentarily forgot I have to prefer LeBron's failure to good basketball.
Cmon... LeBron has to be partially reponsible for his own hydration, no?
 

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lars10 said:
Cmon... LeBron has to be partially reponsible for his own hydration, no?
I don't care who is responsible though. I just wanted to watch LeBron play crunch time minutes in the NBA finals, and think it's a shame circumstance kept that from happening. Why is that so odd?
 

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Grin&MartyBarret said:
Oh, right. The narrative. Sorry, momentarily forgot I have to prefer LeBron's failure to good basketball.
You were robbed of your quality basketball because LBJ and the coaching staff didn't handle the situation well.
 

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Grin&MartyBarret said:
I don't care who is responsible though. I just wanted to watch LeBron play crunch time minutes in the NBA finals, and think it's a shame circumstance kept that from happening. Why is that so odd?
You should have just put it that way rather than blaming the AC then.
 

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Ed Hillel said:
You were robbed of your quality basketball because LBJ and the coaching staff didn't handle the situation well.
Just so I'm clear, if I blame this on LeBron or other professionals associated with the Heat, you'll let me have my completely reasonable opinion? Deal. LeBron's a pussy. Their trainer's incompetent. Still a shame the game ended with LeBron on the bench, because he's good at basketball, and it would have been fun to watch him play it.
 

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lars10 said:
Cmon... LeBron has to be partially reponsible for his own hydration, no?
 
In LB/Heat medical staff defense, I would guess he would have hydrated differently if they had known it would be so got    I'm guessing all the players lost a lot more fluids than anyone expected.
 

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Grin&MartyBarret said:
I don't care who is responsible though. I just wanted to watch LeBron play crunch time minutes in the NBA finals, and think it's a shame circumstance kept that from happening. Why is that so odd?
Because in the end LeBron is reponsible for you not seeing him play crunch time minutes in the NBA finals and that he's ulitmately responsible for the circumstance that kept that from happening?  (Multiple times)
 
It's not a hate LeBron thing in this case...or maybe it is...I'm incapable of impartiality.
 
He's been mocked for this before by pro athletes...
http://boston.cbslocal.com/2012/06/20/nhl-players-mock-lebron-james-leg-cramps-via-twitter-during-game-4-of-nba-finals/
 
edit:  but I completely understand you wanting to see him finish the game out.
 

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What was the score when Lebron first left with cramps? My brother is saying the Heat were up 7 and would have won the game if Lebron weren't sitting out. Am I misremembering or was it a closer game? I never felt like the Spurs were losing this one.
 

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lars10 said:
Because in the end LeBron is reponsible for you not seeing him play crunch time minutes in the NBA finals and that he's ulitmately responsible for the circumstance that kept that from happening?  (Multiple times)
 
It's not a hate LeBron thing in this case...or maybe it is...I'm incapable of impartiality.
 
He's been mocked for this before by pro athletes...
http://boston.cbslocal.com/2012/06/20/nhl-players-mock-lebron-james-leg-cramps-via-twitter-during-game-4-of-nba-finals/
I'm sure you hate all poorly hydrated people equally.
 

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wade boggs chicken dinner said:
 
In LB/Heat medical staff defense, I would guess he would have hydrated differently if they had known it would be so got    I'm guessing all the players lost a lot more fluids than anyone expected.
I agree...except for why did it happen in '12 too?  I have no idea how players prepare for NBA games regarding hydration...and I don't know why James' body seems to, seemingly, react differently to other players in the same circumstance...although maybe LeBron played more minutes?  I'm honestly interested in why it keeps happening to him.
 

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adam42381 said:
What was the score when Lebron first left with cramps? My brother is saying the Heat were up 7 and would have won the game if Lebron weren't sitting out. Am I misremembering or was it a closer game? I never felt like the Spurs were losing this one.
The Heat were up and seemed to be going on a run to me.
 

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Grin&MartyBarret said:
Just so I'm clear, if I blame this on LeBron or other professionals associated with the Heat, you'll let me have my completely reasonable opinion? Deal. LeBron's a pussy. Their trainer's incompetent. Still a shame the game ended with LeBron on the bench, because he's good at basketball, and it would have been fun to watch him play it.
It's just funny that you are berating people for "having a narrative" over the bottom line of having LBJ in the game at crunch time, given that you framed the issue under a narrative of your own. If you had said something like "whatever the issue, it sucks as a viewer not having LBJ in the game," you wouldn't have gotten the responses you did.
 

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The thing that is going to bother me about this is that the media is going to play it up so that the Heat lost because of the broken AC, and because LeBron cramped up. What people should really be talking about is just how brilliantly the Spurs closed that game. 31-9 is a phenomenal way to close the game. Would LeBron have made a difference? Maybe, maybe its a 24-16 run instead, but we shouldn't overstate the impact LeBron would have had on the finish of that game. Nobody was stopping how brilliantly executed the Spurs' offense was down the stretch.
 

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Also, who else was waiting for Pat Riley's face to start melting like wax?
 

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riboflav said:
 
I know that.
Was it at least a dry heat?
 
Didn't the garden used to get water on it's floor because of the ice underneath it?
 

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adam42381 said:
What was the score when Lebron first left with cramps? My brother is saying the Heat were up 7 and would have won the game if Lebron weren't sitting out. Am I misremembering or was it a closer game? I never felt like the Spurs were losing this one.
the heat had been up 7 about 90 seconds before, the spurs cut it to 2 with the duncan layup and then lebron asked out
 

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Pretty bush league to have that happen during a Finals game and it not be fixed for the whole game. No backup generator?
 

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Kliq said:
The thing that is going to bother me about this is that the media is going to play it up so that the Heat lost because of the broken AC, and because LeBron cramped up. What people should really be talking about is just how brilliantly the Spurs closed that game. 31-9 is a phenomenal way to close the game. Would LeBron have made a difference? Maybe, maybe its a 24-16 run instead, but we shouldn't overstate the impact LeBron would have had on the finish of that game. Nobody was stopping how brilliantly executed the Spurs' offense was down the stretch.
 
This is a great observation.  That said, the Heat without LeBron is like SoSH without the arm-chair critics (especially ones who don't watch the NBA until June and then invoke players who played 30 years ago back when men were men and wore the equivalent to Speedos) - there just isn't much there. 
 

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Ed Hillel said:
It's just funny that you are berating people for "having a narrative" over the bottom line of having LBJ in the game at crunch time, given that you framed the issue under a narrative of your own. If you had said something like "whatever the issue, it sucks as a viewer not having LBJ in the game," you wouldn't have gotten the responses you did.
I said, simply, that it was a bummer the broken AC decided this game. At the time, I didn't realize that comment somehow contained my opinions about a) LeBron James' toughness B) His hydration habits, or C) the Heat's training staff, nor did I realize that blaming the heat in the arena absolved LeBron/the Heat's training staff from any blame. I apologize for the confusion.

Edit: my point B was turned into a smiley face, but it looks cool, so I'm leaving it.