NBA Finals Thread
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Marciano490 said:
tren dbol and winny have people report cramping as a side but I would be pretty damned surprised if NBA guys are on that. I think most of them are using because they would be sort of stupid to not be using giving the lax testing and the stakes
I could see tren and winny being good for NBA'ers. Dbol makes you gain a bit of water weight, no? I'd heard of joint problems for winny, not cramping, but I believe it.
Preparation for conditions such as this need to be made proactively (hours prior to the game) rather than reactively during halftime. Without having any clue prior to the game of these conditions the training staff nor LeBron could have been fully prepared to maintain proper potassium levels until the affects of the heat were already taking place.wade boggs chicken dinner said:
Except it is not known what really causes cramps. Studies attempting to link both serum sodium and potassium levels have failed to establish a definitive link between electrolyte depletion and cramping. The only positive relationship that could be established is between fatigue, both aerobic and anaerobic, and cramping. It remains one of the great mysteries of sports physiology.
Stop it with the facts Vor boy. We are running with a narrative here. LeBron is soft. The Heat trainers suck. Powerade really fucking sucks. The last one is especially true.Kremlin Watcher said:
I agree that Powerade sucks. But it's just not a factor in the cramping equation.DeJesus Built My Hotrod said:
Edit: what does "Vor boy" mean?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_mafia
In the Russian Mafia to become a "Vor" (plural: Vory) (a Thief) is an honorary title meaning to become a made man
In the Russian Mafia to become a "Vor" (plural: Vory) (a Thief) is an honorary title meaning to become a made man
Ha ha. Didn't think in Russian. Vor means "thief", strait up. The honorary title is "Vor v zakonye", or "Thief-by-law", an honorary title for organized crime bosses.
Muscles cramp, so the bigger they are, the more chance of it happening. LeBron is one of the few NBA players with lots of muscle.
It isn't that hard. Genetics play a role, too, but there is a reason cramps are very common in the NFL, where many players carry voluminous amounts of muscle, and less common in other sports.
It isn't that hard. Genetics play a role, too, but there is a reason cramps are very common in the NFL, where many players carry voluminous amounts of muscle, and less common in other sports.
Would be more amusing if he wasn't drinking Gatorade all game...but again with the facts and such.
http://b-reddy.org/2014/06/06/why-is-lebron-the-only-one-cramping/
At least gives the history of how this has happened to LeBron on multiple occassions.
He did mention that he has been drinking so much water that he can't drink any more because his stomach is so full. Is it possible that he's flushing his system too much? (At least as part of the explanation?)
At least gives the history of how this has happened to LeBron on multiple occassions.
He did mention that he has been drinking so much water that he can't drink any more because his stomach is so full. Is it possible that he's flushing his system too much? (At least as part of the explanation?)
I think it has something to do with how incredibly muscled he is (admittedly also possibly connected to PEDs). If Dwight Howard ever played full throttle full court for an entire game, maybe he'd have cramping issues too.
Edit: I see Sox and Rocks beat me to this point.
Edit: I see Sox and Rocks beat me to this point.
There are people who cramp a lot and people who don't. If someone has a history of cramps under certain conditions, it is almost a 100% certainty that under those same conditions, or more severe conditions, that they will cramp up again. I know ultramarathon runners who never, ever get cramps; I cramp up severely at any distance over about 20 miles on the run or about 50 miles on the bike. Nothing that I have tried prevents them, and I have tried too many remedies to remember. It's a condition of some sort that is very hard to overcome and physiologists don't yet fully understand. James is, clearly, in tremendous physical condition; the conditions on court last night just overwhelmed his physiology. Were he accustomed to playing in those conditions, it is less likely he would have cramped up so badly.
So the a/c is fixed:
http://espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2014/story/_/id/11042810/san-antonio-spurs-say-air-conditioning-their-arena-repaired
But they have to set it at 80 not 70 on Sunday, right? Or maybe 81? or 82?
http://espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2014/story/_/id/11042810/san-antonio-spurs-say-air-conditioning-their-arena-repaired
But they have to set it at 80 not 70 on Sunday, right? Or maybe 81? or 82?
I dont think its for crime bosses. Its literally for top thieves who act as informal leaders of the thief clans, usually having a lot of experience within a jail.Kremlin Watcher said:
Thieves steal and areproud of it , crime bosses, as in mafia bosses arent about stealing as much as other illegal activities but they mostly start from protection rackets. Its a different value system than the thief code.
I am not a lebron fan, but the shit he takes for cramping is idiotic. If you cramp, you cramp.
However, i agree with those who talk about peds. That body aint natural.
However, i agree with those who talk about peds. That body aint natural.
It probably is a little idiotic. Still, it's funny.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2088309-lebron-james-cramps-in-game-1-of-nba-finals-inspire-lebroning-meme?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=editorial&hpt=hp_t2
In a related note, Jonathan Martin is slightly tone deaf.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2088309-lebron-james-cramps-in-game-1-of-nba-finals-inspire-lebroning-meme?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=editorial&hpt=hp_t2
In a related note, Jonathan Martin is slightly tone deaf.
Too bad we are not talking about the game at all.
Here are some statistical observations about Game 1, particularly with respect to the Spurs: http://www.poundingtherock.com/2014/6/7/5787502/nba-finals-spurs-heat-game-1-notes-thoughts. Obviously, some of the statistics are a bit skewed with LBJ not playing as much as he ordinarily would. A couple of notes.
It seems like the Spurs are the best with Diaw and Manu on the floor together. Duncan-Diaw-Leonard-Ginobili-Parker finished plus-22 in 8:23 over four separate shifts; Duncan-Diaw-Green-Ginobili-Parker was plus-8 in 5:08. I thought the Spurs have a lot of trouble scoring unless Parker and Manu were on the floor at the same time.
I read somewhere that Rashard Lewis was something like -20 in 30 minutes. He may have been able to bother David West one-on-one, but from the replays I saw, he seemed disinterested in making rotations.
On a positive note for the Heat, they outscored the Spurs by 38 pts per 100 possessions in the 14 minutes that LBJ played in the second half.
Some more statistics here: http://www.48minutesofhell.com/the-margin-san-antonio-spurs-110-miami-heat-95
Here are some statistical observations about Game 1, particularly with respect to the Spurs: http://www.poundingtherock.com/2014/6/7/5787502/nba-finals-spurs-heat-game-1-notes-thoughts. Obviously, some of the statistics are a bit skewed with LBJ not playing as much as he ordinarily would. A couple of notes.
It seems like the Spurs are the best with Diaw and Manu on the floor together. Duncan-Diaw-Leonard-Ginobili-Parker finished plus-22 in 8:23 over four separate shifts; Duncan-Diaw-Green-Ginobili-Parker was plus-8 in 5:08. I thought the Spurs have a lot of trouble scoring unless Parker and Manu were on the floor at the same time.
I read somewhere that Rashard Lewis was something like -20 in 30 minutes. He may have been able to bother David West one-on-one, but from the replays I saw, he seemed disinterested in making rotations.
On a positive note for the Heat, they outscored the Spurs by 38 pts per 100 possessions in the 14 minutes that LBJ played in the second half.
Some more statistics here: http://www.48minutesofhell.com/the-margin-san-antonio-spurs-110-miami-heat-95
I doubt it. Unless you think his cracked out mom saved her pennies for high grade Hgh. I saw him in high school and he was at least 240 as a Jr. I had seen tons of video of him and his length hid how thick he was. He is one of a kind. But highly unlikely he is cleanNick Kaufman said:
I suspect he has achey knees from playing basketball in a rush end's body and tries to get really loose and warm and walks the dehydration line.
Yes^^^^^Nick Kaufman said:
If you or I had our life at stake in the ocean with land 200 yards away and a cramp similar to what LeBron had.......we wouldn't survive, period.
I don't think Lebron would catch as much shit for the cramps if he controlled his facial expressions a bit. He makes it seem like dying, and that's what fuels a lot of these memes. It's the face of total agony.
Cramps feel similar to a compound fracture......which is pretty darn close to total agony.Boston Brawler said:
Maybe I'm underestimating the cramp then.
All I'll say is that I saw plenty of injuries in my year long vacation to the middle east, and a lot of guys with actual trauma didn't make faces near as bad as Lebron. Maybe it was shock...
Edit: I'm not trying to turn this into a toughness thing either. Now I'm genuinely curious.
All I'll say is that I saw plenty of injuries in my year long vacation to the middle east, and a lot of guys with actual trauma didn't make faces near as bad as Lebron. Maybe it was shock...
Edit: I'm not trying to turn this into a toughness thing either. Now I'm genuinely curious.
That's great but you still choose how you react. He chooses to react to everyhting like an italian soccer player.HomeRunBaker said:
he does not have to dominate to enhance/maintain his legacy. regardless of tomorrow's performance he is entrenched as one of the ~5 best players to ever play. all the haters couldn't be convinced no matter what he does tomorrow night
He can surpass Jordan. If he wins this series it is a comeback for the ages for those that love him, and at the very least those that hate him must be quiet.
Well if you read what's above, I apparently didn't give the cramp enough credit. Who knows?BigSoxFan said:
First a cramp with that magnitude of a muscle contraction isn't anything one can't play through now it's a debilitating long term injury. I'm thoroughly confused.Boston Brawler said:
A. My initial comment was about his facial expression. Never said anything about whether or not the injury was legit, nor how he could have/should have played through it. And then I admitted I might be underestimating the cramp.HomeRunBaker said:
B. In the post you quoted, I was stating how I interpreted another post. Hence the words "not speaking for him here, but I read that as".
Not sure why you're confused.
Edit: clarity
Football players get cramps all the time and then i start to wonder, how this can happen, when you´re trained to do nothing else in your life than run around, pass, jump, dribble and shoot and then you are breaking down. I mean i play football, too, although at a much lower level, and i did get cramps, too, but i train like 2-3 times per week and not 8 times per week. I don´t get it.
Same for a NBA pro, not to say the best in the world. How can you say i have a problem in 90+°F (that´s 32°C? Well you basically have a few football matches at those conditions in the sunlight at noon every season, after going out the night before, having 5 beers and a midnight meeting with your girlfriend), when you are just prepared for that situation? And i wonder why did he not stretch that muscle? I mean, if someone has a cramp in his calf, he would stretch it, so the muscle loosens and the cramp goes away. I didn´t see the match, but in the scene where he makes the basket, stops play and gets taken out, he doesn´t stretch any muscle at all, he just doesn´t put any weight on his leg.
A cramp is a cramp - that´t not an injury and it is gone after it´s gone and your body got enough liquids and you are relaxed again, but it doesn´t mean you will get a cramp again next time you will play in hot conditions.
And it definitely does not hurt like you´re shot in the leg. It hurts a little bit. Then you stretch the muscle and you basically can run again. If it comes back again, you should start to think about getting subbed out.
Same for a NBA pro, not to say the best in the world. How can you say i have a problem in 90+°F (that´s 32°C? Well you basically have a few football matches at those conditions in the sunlight at noon every season, after going out the night before, having 5 beers and a midnight meeting with your girlfriend), when you are just prepared for that situation? And i wonder why did he not stretch that muscle? I mean, if someone has a cramp in his calf, he would stretch it, so the muscle loosens and the cramp goes away. I didn´t see the match, but in the scene where he makes the basket, stops play and gets taken out, he doesn´t stretch any muscle at all, he just doesn´t put any weight on his leg.
A cramp is a cramp - that´t not an injury and it is gone after it´s gone and your body got enough liquids and you are relaxed again, but it doesn´t mean you will get a cramp again next time you will play in hot conditions.
And it definitely does not hurt like you´re shot in the leg. It hurts a little bit. Then you stretch the muscle and you basically can run again. If it comes back again, you should start to think about getting subbed out.
The muscle was still in spasm......you don't stretch a muscle in spasm. Yes it does feel like a bullet in your leg or a compound fracture. I am 100% certain your experience was not the Gastrocnemius muscle in spasm.Schnerres said:
I think some people are confusing a muscle cramp with a calf contraction with the muscle in spasm. It IS also possible he injured the muscle from the contraction tearing muscle fibers......we don't know this from our laptop or mobile device.
I said for those that love him they will make him heroic for coming back from cramps. You can't see it?BigSoxFan said:
"They said he was not a champion!"
(clip of him cramping)
"But he rose to the challenge!"
(montage of him dunking)
HomeRunBaker said:
What i know from my experience and what i just read again is, that if i have a cramp, my muscle is contracted and i need to overstretch it. So if my calf (most of the times in football) is the muscle which hurts because of a cramp, i bend over to my feet and overstretch the backside of my legs, the calf muscle. Then it can relax. That´s it. And there was nothing happening what looked in this match from Lebron. So i don´t know what he had but it did not look like a cramp or at least he did nothing to get it away in the 1st place. The first action should be what i explained - the mid-term actions should then be drinking drinking and drinking lots of water and electrolytes.
(Sry, i´m not that familiar with some of the english vocabulary)