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Yeah, I'd e worried if I were a POR fan.
On the other hand I'd also probably talk myself into the fact that he's only 19 still and the 3rd youngest player in the league.
 

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Vonleh was 19 years-old last year. I wouldn't read too much into his PT. Most scouts acknowledged that he probably left a year or so too early from a development standpoint.
 
His PT is part of it.  The other part is that they're giving up on him after seeing him play for a year.  Batum isn't some huge prize, so if they felt Vonleh had a decent chance to be good, I don't think they trade him.
 

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“@WojYahooNBA: Sources: Lakers, Kings exchange framework of trade centered on DeMarcus Cousins today, discussions could intensify Thursday. Story soon.”
 

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“@WojYahooNBA: Sources: Lakers, Kings exchange framework of trade centered on DeMarcus Cousins today, discussions could intensify Thursday. Story soon.”
 
If so, that means the Lakers have to select whomever the Kings would want at number two be it Okafor, Russell or Porzingis.  The Lakers cannot send this pick because Philly already has their 2016 first round pick.
 

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If so, that means the Lakers have to select whomever the Kings would want at number two be it Okafor, Russell or Porzingis.  The Lakers cannot send this pick because Philly already has their 2016 first round pick.
They're able to trade the pick because the 2016 has protections I believe.  Otherwise they're able to just complete the trade immediately after the draft or after the pick has been made.  
 

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They're able to trade the pick because the 2016 has protections I believe.  Otherwise they're able to just complete the trade immediately after the draft or after the pick has been made.  
The pick is protected in the top three but you may be right.  
 

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What in the hell could LA trade that would be worth Cousins?
The #2 alone isn't even close to enough to me, and they can't trade another pick until at least 2018 and their roster is garbage.
I guess maybe the 2, Randle, cap relief and a 2018 1st?
 
Edit- Read the Wojo piece, and it is dumb.
Sacramento- wants 2, Randle, Clarkson, future picks and to make LA eat Carl Landry's deal.
LAL- Refuse to give up Randle, reluctant to include Clarkson.
 
So basically.... SAC would trade Cousins to LAL for good value, Lakers want him for nothing. Not sure that looks like much of a likelihood.
 

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How the fuck do the Lakers ALWAYS pull this shit off. They never have any fucking assets, yet they constantly trade for superstars and get them for garbage in return. It's really rather annoying.
 

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How the fuck do the Lakers ALWAYS pull this shit off. They never have any fucking assets, yet they constantly trade for superstars and get them for garbage in return. It's really rather annoying.
If they really did trade 2, Randle, Clarkson and future picks, that's pretty strong value. Far better than the rumored Celtics offer I'd say.
 

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If they really did trade 2, Randle, Clarkson and future picks, that's pretty strong value. Far better than the rumored Celtics offer I'd say.
Randle has not proven jack squat and is a gigantic question mark after that injury and Clarkson looked decent last year but nothing too special. The only thing of value I see is the pick.

Just an FYI I wasn't saying the Celts offer was better, just that I still think that's not close to a good enough offer.
 

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Randle has not proven jack squat and is a gigantic question mark after that injury and Clarkson looked decent last year but nothing too special. The only thing of value I see is the pick.

Just an FYI I wasn't saying the Celts offer was better, just that I still think that's not close to a good enough offer.
I don't think most if any NBA talent evaluators drop their opinion of a top 7 pick because of a broken leg that by all accounts healed on schedule without incident. I think that is exactly the kind of deal that makes sense for a Cousins trade. Basically getting 2 top 10 picks of young guys under team control long term, a 3rd fairly promising guy making no money and under team control, a future 1st, and a big time salary dump.
It's probably better than the deal MIN got for Love if we want to compare past deals.
#2 is roughly equivalent to Wiggins, Randle is a much better asset than Bennett, and Clarkson is roughly equivalent as a chip to Thad Young.
I'd say on the whole that is even or tilts toward the possible Laker package, with the extra 1st and contract dumpage offsetting the increased value of Cousins having a long term deal.
I'm not sure what you think SAC would get if they trade Cousins. Not many teams have multiple top of the draft young pieces, and the only one that I can think of (Philly) is unlikely to package them up for a win now in Cousins.
 

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If it becomes clear that the Lakers are going to get Cousins, I would love the Celts to be that 3rd team and try to get their hands on Clarkson.  The kid can score, and you put him next to Smart and you have a hell of a back court for the future.  When he got a full time role as a rookie he was averaging almost 1-16-4-5-1(almost no blocks).  He is a near perfect compliment to Smart, he will only get better as a scorer, and he can handle the ball as well.
 
Now I know he is not the can't miss budding superstar that everyone wants, but he'd be a hell of a player to add to the roster, and could become more.  
 
I would also love to see the C's try and target Dieng.  I got a ton of shit last year for wanting him over Love due to control and cost to acquire, and I know he had not the breakout year last year due to being jerked around with playing time, but if we could get him for a pick or so I would love to see it happen
 

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Boogie, Bryant and Byron should lead to some fun times in LA. Not for Lakers fans, mind you, but every other type of NBA fan.
 

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Yeah, I'm confused as to why Woj thinks that particular group would appeal to Love, especially since the chances of Love, Lopez and Pierce being healthy come playoff time is about 1%.
It would make a great 3-on-3 half court team though you gotta admit.
 

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How the fuck do the Lakers ALWAYS pull this shit off. They never have any fucking assets, yet they constantly trade for superstars and get them for garbage in return. It's really rather annoying.
As fun as it was watching the Celtics make the playoffs this year, if they had been the ones tanking down to the #2 spot, they'd be in position to make this deal as well. The #2 overall pick plus nice extras can get talks started for most players in the league outside the absolute superstars. #16 and #28? Not so much.
 

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How the fuck do the Lakers ALWAYS pull this shit off. They never have any fucking assets, yet they constantly trade for superstars and get them for garbage in return. It's really rather annoying.
Kinda funny coming from a Celtics fan who have off the top of my head......

Traded Ed Macaulay for Bill Russell......

A draft pick, The Big Lazy, and a bunch of crap for Ray Allen and Kevin Garnett

Rick Robey for Dennis Johnson

Joe Barry Carroll and Rickey Brown for McHale and Parrish

Not to mention Gerald Henderson for the pick used on Len Bias


Ummmm, I don't think Celtics fans should be scratching their heads when the Lakers win on a deal.
 

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Ummmm, I don't think Celtics fans should be scratching their heads when the Lakers win on a deal.
Boston sports fans, eternal victims.
 

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The biggest fear is setting here in Portland. Hearing that Aldridge may be leaning towards signing with the Lakers. Blazer fans already losing it just thinking about it.
 

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The biggest fear is setting here in Portland. Hearing that Aldridge may be leaning towards signing with the Lakers. Blazer fans already losing it just thinking about it.
Lakers or not, I think the Batum trade signals that Aldridge is gone. Which is good for the Cs, they need a west team or two to fall back for Minny to climb into the top 10 in the west (which means the Cs get their first round pick, provided they also finish ahead of the 9 seed in the east).
 

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The biggest fear is setting here in Portland. Hearing that Aldridge may be leaning towards signing with the Lakers. Blazer fans already losing it just thinking about it.
Yeah, I think it's a done deal with the Batum trade. I feel bad for the Blazers about this. They deserve a nice thing to happen to them for once.
 

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Is LMA a free agent yet? I assumed he was an opt-out like Love, but it looks like he's unrestricted. Is that correct?
 

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according to Woj, Luke Ridnour has been traded 3 times in the last 24 hours:
 
from Orland to Memphis
 
https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/status/613728199697125376
 
this morning from Memphis to Charlotte for Matt Barnes
 
https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/status/613728199697125376
 
from Charlotte (plus a 2016 2nd) to OKC for Jeremy Lamb
 
https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/status/614109043804798976
 

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1) When will FAs get their contracts for the new season? When will the big contracts (like LMA, Kevin Love, etc.) happen?
 
2) When will trades (if they happen) go through? All the time? (Not when it´s allowed but when do they happen most of the time..)
 
3) Why won´t a FA like LMA (i guess he is about 30 years old, earned about 60mil. in the NBA and 25-40mil through endorsements without looking anything up) sign a team friendly contract with a contender that needs a PF/C, preferably in the East (say, Cleveland)? Basically, what TD, Nowitzki, etc. are doing when they are 36+ and earned 100mil US-Dollars more than what LMA has earned until today. I mean, there must be All-Stars that earn 120+millions until they are about 32 years old, are still in their MVP prime years and just want to have the chance at five more titles with any team. Will the Players Union have a word about it with you? You could have other motives than just money, right? Right?
 

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ESPN reporting that Kings owner is so pissed over potential Cousins trade that he may fire Karl. What a mess of a franchise.
 
LINK: http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/13148737/sacramento-kings-owner-vivek-ranadive-considering-firing-coach-george-karl
Why would anyone hire Karl in the first place? His teams play decent basketball for a few months then he alienates his best players by blaming every loss on them, tries to trade them, then they start tweeting about snakes.
Of all of them Boogie had the best snake tweet:
 
https://twitter.com/boogiecousins/status/613225835365949440
 

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https://twitter.com/JeffZillgitt/status/614200200933048320
 
Good start for Silver
 

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Blacken said:
Yeah, I think it's a done deal with the Batum trade. I feel bad for the Blazers about this. They deserve a nice thing to happen to them for once.
This hurts the Celtics as Portland was one of the teams we counted on to knock Dallas out of the playoffs next season to secure their pick in the lottery. Not a super big deal but something that we could look back on down the road especially if another WC team projected to be ahead/even with Dallas takes a step back.
 

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In not so shocking news Roy Hibbert opts into his $15.5M for the season.
https://twitter.com/ZachLowe_NBA/status/614267778665684996
 

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This hurts the Celtics as Portland was one of the teams we counted on to knock Dallas out of the playoffs next season to secure their pick in the lottery. Not a super big deal but something that we could look back on down the road especially if another WC team projected to be ahead/even with Dallas takes a step back.
We also have a Minny pick that is in the 1st round if they sniff the playoffs...
 

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the Wolves are still the worst team in the West. They could pass the Kings and Nuggs if those teams dump their best players.
 

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I don't love Avery Bradley, like at all, but I'm going to be pissed off when he's traded to Cleveland for a 2027 protected first rounder.
 

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LeBron opting out. Per Twitter
The low-information crowd is already hurring about how he's a quitter. Instead of re-upping for more money.
 

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I don't love Avery Bradley, like at all, but I'm going to be pissed off when he's traded to Cleveland for a 2027 protected first rounder.
Why? What am I not seeing about Bradley's skillset that makes him a useful NBA player at anything above the minimum?
 

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Why? What am I not seeing about Bradley's skillset that makes him a useful NBA player at anything above the minimum?
You mean all those long 2s might not be the best idea?
 

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I don't love Avery Bradley, like at all, but I'm going to be pissed off when he's traded to Cleveland for a 2027 protected first rounder.
Bradley is ideal for what Cleveland needs next to Kyrie. He can defend either guard spot aggressively without having to worry about exerting energy on offense as he'd be strictly a weak-side spot up shooter. This role plays to all of his strengths while masking his weaknesses. Kyrie with Bradley/Shumpert at the 2 goes a long way toward LeBron getting his next ring but you'd have to get a 3rd team involved since Cleveland has nothing to give up that we'd really want.

On this Celtics team he needs to score on his own and be more of an offensive threat thus taking away the energy he'd be better served to do what he does best at the defensive end.
 

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Bradley is ideal for what Cleveland needs next to Kyrie. He can defend either guard spot aggressively without having to worry about exerting energy on offense as he'd be strictly a weak-side spot up shooter. This role plays to all of his strengths while masking his weaknesses. Kyrie with Bradley/Shumpert at the 2 goes a long way toward LeBron getting his next ring but you'd have to get a 3rd team involved since Cleveland has nothing to give up that we'd really want.

On this Celtics team he needs to score on his own and be more of an offensive threat thus taking away the energy he'd be better served to do what he does best at the defensive end.
 
I agree - he's a great fit in Cleveland.  I wonder how likely this is (ie does Cleveland see him as a good fit? can Cleveland afford his $8 million?  do they have anything useful to offer for him?)  I guess the argument against, from Clevelend's point of view, would be... well, lots of players can fit in next to LeBron and Kyrie.  To which I would respond... "Dion Waiters". :)     
 

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Bradley is ideal for what Cleveland needs next to Kyrie. He can defend either guard spot aggressively without having to worry about exerting energy on offense as he'd be strictly a weak-side spot up shooter. This role plays to all of his strengths while masking his weaknesses. Kyrie with Bradley/Shumpert at the 2 goes a long way toward LeBron getting his next ring but you'd have to get a 3rd team involved since Cleveland has nothing to give up that we'd really want.

On this Celtics team he needs to score on his own and be more of an offensive threat thus taking away the energy he'd be better served to do what he does best at the defensive end.
 
Agreed.  He is also a great example of a guy who is better than most stats will show, because what he does (solid man d, some spacing, versatile role-wise) isn't captured in most numbers (you'd think +/- is best shot, and interesting he had a good RPM in his FA year, though not last year).   If he is a spot-up shooter, as he was for a good chunk of his FA year, he's ok offensively.  If he has to create, he's just not.  But we're talking about a situation that guarantees the former not the latter.
 
Not sure he is impactful enough to go a long way to the next ring, but maybe so:  he'd have been what, the third best guy on the court for Cleveland in this year's finals?  Sad commentary, but if you imagine he's replacing Della and JR Smith, he's a clear upgrade.
 

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Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine  1m1 minute ago
Story going online now: ESPN sources say Nets and Grizzlies recently discussed a Joe Johnson-to-Memphis trade
 
 
Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine  18s18 seconds ago
Sources say teams could not find workable trade framework, but Nets came away encouraged they'll ultimately find trade taker for J-Johnson
 
If the Nets ultimately trade Joe Johnson and Brook Lopez doesn't re-sign, I will be extremely excited.  The prospects of next year's unprotected pick being at least top 5 would look very good.
 

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If the Nets ultimately trade Joe Johnson and Brook Lopez doesn't re-sign, I will be extremely excited.  The prospects of next year's unprotected pick being at least top 5 would look very good.
This perfect storm continues to play out as scripted. Danny with his second Auerbachian trade.

Maybe a 12-18 month delay in the sale/transfer of ownership to finish the deal.


Edit: it isn't only next summer. We not only have the Nets unprotected 1st in '16 and '18 but also the option to swap picks in '17. If this sale continues to be in the works we are looking at the possibility of 3 consecutive years of high lottery picks regardless of where the Celtics finish in the standings.

Edit2: I hadn't heard anything but Alan Anderson can also opt-out of his deal. With the Plumlee dump, the JJ talk along with all the other uncertainties surrounding this franchise Brook Lopez and Anderson may question whether they want to return to this mess.
 

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New York Knicks brass will head to Los Angeles this week to meet withLaMarcus Aldridge and DeAndre Jordan, according to league sources.
The Knicks' contingent is believed to include president Phil Jackson, GM Steve Mills and head coach Derek Fisher.
With Wednesday being the first day teams are able meet with free agents, both meetings are expected to be completed before Friday.
While the Knicks are considered long shots to land either Aldridge or Jordan, sources said they are in each players top four.
 
http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/knicks/post/_/id/62445/sources-knicks-to-meet-with-aldridge-jordan-in-l-a
 

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https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/status/615590291102306304
 
If the Knicks keep us from overpaying Greg Monroe I'll be ecstatic.
 

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Cellar-Door said:
https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/status/615590291102306304
 
If the Knicks keep us from overpaying Greg Monroe I'll be ecstatic.
 
With the added bonus of potentially helping them become mediocre enough to surpass the Nets.