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Bismack Biyombo not offered the QO.
Zach Lowe says BOS hasn't shown much interest yet, but also from the sound of it, he'll probably not get interest until bigger FA have signed.
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Biyombo is pretty awful and one-dimensional. He's an undersized 5 that can rebound and block shots a little, but can't defend on high screens and is an absolute zero offensively. We don't need anymore limited backup bigs.
 

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Biyombo is pretty awful and one-dimensional. He's an undersized 5 that can rebound and block shots a little, but can't defend on high screens and is an absolute zero offensively. We don't need anymore limited backup bigs.
He is actually pretty good on high screens. Though he is definitely worthless of offense. I'd say he's a decent fit for our frontcourt since we have currently no player on the roster over 6'4 who can defend.
Zach Lowe had a nice breakdown of why he might be a nice risk for how cheap he'll be in this piece: http://grantland.com/the-triangle/the-nba-groupon-games-which-players-are-the-next-free-agent-steals/
He's one of the better rim protectors in the league, and a good switch defender who sets good screens and gets offensive rebounds, for the $4M or so a year he's likely to get that can be really useful.
 

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Here's a question.
 
If the C's fail epically in their offseason, don't land any big free agents or trade for an impact player, would it make sense to take Joe Johnson off of Brooklyn's hands to pump up that 2016 first?  Maybe send them Wallace and some crap?
 
I'm hoping it doesn't come to that, but is there any scenario where it makes sense? 
 

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Eddie, sadly that does make some sense, but I also think that's why Brooklyn wouldn't do it.
 

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Eddie Jurak said:
Here's a question.
 
If the C's fail epically in their offseason, don't land any big free agents or trade for an impact player, would it make sense to take Joe Johnson off of Brooklyn's hands to pump up that 2016 first?  Maybe send them Wallace and some crap?
 
I'm hoping it doesn't come to that, but is there any scenario where it makes sense?
Boston doesn't need to. The Nets will find someone to give them salary relief for Joe Johnson and Deron Williams. The owner would like to clean up the payroll to facilitate a quicker sale. Having a team with only one long term deal makes it attractive for a new ownership group looking to make a free agency splash.
 

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Eddie Jurak said:
Here's a question.
 
If the C's fail epically in their offseason, don't land any big free agents or trade for an impact player, would it make sense to take Joe Johnson off of Brooklyn's hands to pump up that 2016 first?  Maybe send them Wallace and some crap?
 
I'm hoping it doesn't come to that, but is there any scenario where it makes sense? 
how about Ty Lawson, Roy Hibbert, or David Lee as backup plan using the trade exceptions or Gerald Wallace expiring contract plus Babb, Pressley and other flotsam?
 

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how about Ty Lawson, Roy Hibbert, or David Lee as backup plan using the trade exceptions or Gerald Wallace expiring contract plus Babb, Pressley and other flotsam?
 
Only Ty Lawson fits within the trade exception.  Hibbert and Lee make too much next year to fit into Rondo's $12.9mm trade exception.
 
EDIT:  One guy that fits nicely - Rudy Gay.  This would permit SAC to pursue Rondo. 
 

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This one isn't surprising since Monroe seems to have been dead-set on NYK since the winter, but I expect there will be a rude awakening in the coming days for anyone who thought a little playoff run, good young coach and middling assets would be enough to draw any significant free agent attention.
 

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This one isn't surprising since Monroe seems to have been dead-set on NYK since the winter, but I expect there will be a rude awakening in the coming days for anyone who thought a little playoff run, good young coach and middling assets would be enough to draw any significant free agent attention.
Anyone who thought that simply hasn't been paying attention to the NBA. The top tier guys ignore us, the second tier guys sometimes maybe allow us to meet with them.......and we end up with Marquis Daniels masquerading as Al-Farouq Aminu.

Ainge always recognized this which is why he's valued large expiring contracts over cap space in utilizing LaFrentz to acquire Ratliff which was critical in the Garnett deal. This was always going to be a long rebuild.....fortunately the demise of the Russian currency and Prokhorov looking to get out of Brooklyn has given us hope for the relatively near future.
 

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HRB, are you saying this has an impact outside of max contract guys? Are players taking less to sign with someone other than Boston?
 

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Zero interest in Monroe, especially with his demands that he wants to be able to opt out when the cap jumps.
 

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Only Ty Lawson fits within the trade exception.  Hibbert and Lee make too much next year to fit into Rondo's $12.9mm trade exception.
 
EDIT:  One guy that fits nicely - Rudy Gay.  This would permit SAC to pursue Rondo. 
 
 
Rudy Gay is the only way that the Kings land Rondo. If they ship out his buddy they probably aren't going to get him. (I think Karl prefers Lawson anyway.)
 

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The Sacramento Kings are probing University of Kentucky coach John Calipari about his interest in taking over the franchise's front-office and coaching jobs, league sources told Yahoo Sports.
 
Calipari has been communicating with owner Vivek Ranadive and other members of the Kings ownership group in recent weeks, league sources said. Calipari has listened to scenarios with which the Kings could offer him complete control of the franchise's fledgling basketball operations to go along with coaching, league sources said.  [SIZE=15.0000009536743px]No formal offer has been made to Calipari, and Kings ownership understands that it will take a multiyear financial package of $10 million-plus annually to get Calipari to seriously consider leaving Kentucky, sources said.[/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=15.0000009536743px]Sacramento ownership, dismayed over Karl's fractured relationship with Cousins, has had lawyers studying Karl's contract, trying to determine if there's a way to terminate him for "cause," and free themselves of the three years, nearly $10 million left guaranteed on his deal, league sources told Yahoo Sports. If the Kings cannot convince Calipari to come to Sacramento – or never make a formal offer – Karl could simply remain as coach.[/SIZE]
Sacramento's case on trying to get out of paying Karl his contract would be based in part on his involvement in mounting a campaign to get Cousins traded, sources said. The possibility of getting Karl ousted without pay is remote.
 
 
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So he'd turn down the chance to coach LeBron and a ton of money, then take up Boogie and the Kings? That's...odd.
 

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HRB, are you saying this has an impact outside of max contract guys? Are players taking less to sign with someone other than Boston?
Agents don't get paid their commission to earn their clients less. Aside from home grown stars who don't want to uplift their family like Wade and Duncan who ever takes less money to play one place over another? The less desirable destinations (I include Boston on this list) do have to overpay or not acquire the player they want....this is why the Ramon Sessions got 4/$16m from Minnesota back when that wasn't backup guard money, it's why the Celtics lost out on Antonio McDyess who would rather live in Detroit 7 months a year, and why we had to include a 15% trade kicker to Mark Blount's deal to avoid losing him to the two teams who offered him the full MLE back then.

It isn't even as much as having to pay them more......we have to get on their destination wish list which is extremely rare and a last resort for a guy like Monroe who has us on his list as protection of being low-balled out of the top market. The minute it's clear he won't be lowballed it's announced he won't be meeting with the Celtics. We do have the opportunity to massively overpay someone like Tobias Harris or Robin Lopez or even Paul Millsap.......that's just the market we are in and why FA hasn't been something worth pursuing at the cost of having to pass on max guys currently under contract like Garnett and Ray Allen were.
 

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So he'd turn down the chance to coach LeBron and a ton of money, then take up Boogie and the Kings? That's...odd.
He'd get a chance to build it his way instead of LeBron's way which suits his personality much better. With the salary cap/tax increasing next summer this could be a VERY interesting situation for his UK guys......he would already begin with Boogie and WCS. This would be great for the league and its entertainment value.
 

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So he'd turn down the chance to coach LeBron and a ton of money, then take up Boogie and the Kings? That's...odd.
Well it probably comes down to front office control and relationship with the owner. I bet he says no for the same reason he said no to CLE. The owners are nutjobs who are very hands on.
 
 
EDIT- As I was posting this.... Luke Ridnour has been traded again! To Toronto for the draft rights to some Croatian guy they drafted 3 years ago.
 

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He'd get a chance to build it his way instead of LeBron's way which suits his personality much better. With the salary cap/tax increasing next summer this could be a VERY interesting situation for his UK guys......he would already begin with Boogie and WCS. This would be great for the league and its entertainment value.
 
And Rondo would likely go there as a FA.  Even though Rondo left before Cal went to UK, my understanding is that they are friendly.
 

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The less desirable destinations (I include Boston on this list) do have to overpay or not acquire the player they want....
 
 
I've never bought into the notion that there's some inherent problem in Boston that would prevent them from  attracting free agents.  These things are fluid.  Guys want to win.  That's why the Sox and Patriots are both among the most desired destinations for free agents.  The one period in the NBA free agent era when the C's were really relevant, they had no problem getting Rasheed Wallace, Sam Cassell, PJ Brown, Stephon Marbury, etc. to endure the long winters.  Greg Monroe?  I dunno.  I'm not sure how hot they really were after another defensively challenged PF.
 

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I've never bought into the notion that there's some inherent problem in Boston that would prevent them from  attracting free agents.  These things are fluid.  Guys want to win.  That's why the Sox and Patriots are both among the most desired destinations for free agents.  The one period in the NBA free agent era when the C's were really relevant, they had no problem getting Rasheed Wallace, Sam Cassell, PJ Brown, Stephon Marbury, etc. to endure the long winters.  Greg Monroe?  I dunno.  I'm not sure how hot they really were after another defensively challenged PF.
Sure, washed up bench players who are ring chasing would come here or go anywhere.....we know that. Take the ring chasing out of the equation and none of those players are in Boston nor would we have wanted them here.

Kevin Frickin Garnett initially refused to leave Minnesota to come to Boston.....and had to be convinced by the Ray Allen acquisition to finally agree to it. C'mon now it's been going on forever here and doesn't show any signs of slowing down as the salary cap will skyrocket from $68m to $107m. Even a max offer to Tobias Harris is likely to be matched by Orlando as it will equate to what a $9.5-10m contract is today once the cap fully matures. Ainge could do that to show people he's going after guys aggressively but Orlando moves him at the deadline last February if they hadn't committed to not allowing him to walk for nothing.
 

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And Rondo would likely go there as a FA.  Even though Rondo left before Cal went to UK, my understanding is that they are friendly.
I really doubt this. Cal has too many of HIS point guards out there to run his team/system. There is already Bledsoe talk and Cal isn't even there yet.
 

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Agents don't get paid their commission to earn their clients less. Aside from home grown stars who don't want to uplift their family like Wade and Duncan who ever takes less money to play one place over another? The less desirable destinations (I include Boston on this list) do have to overpay or not acquire the player they want....this is why the Ramon Sessions got 4/$16m from Minnesota back when that wasn't backup guard money, it's why the Celtics lost out on Antonio McDyess who would rather live in Detroit 7 months a year, and why we had to include a 15% trade kicker to Mark Blount's deal to avoid losing him to the two teams who offered him the full MLE back then.
The Celtics didn't lose McDyess to Detroit because Detroit was desirable. They lost out on him because he despised the Celtics' two star players and he preferred to play for their biggest competitor.
 

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Sure, washed up bench players who are ring chasing would come here or go anywhere.....we know that. Take the ring chasing out of the equation and none of those players are in Boston nor would we have wanted them here.

Kevin Frickin Garnett initially refused to leave Minnesota to come to Boston.....and had to be convinced by the Ray Allen acquisition to finally agree to it. C'mon now it's been going on forever here and doesn't show any signs of slowing down as the salary cap will skyrocket from $68m to $107m. Even a max offer to Tobias Harris is likely to be matched by Orlando as it will equate to what a $9.5-10m contract is today once the cap fully matures. Ainge could do that to show people he's going after guys aggressively but Orlando moves him at the deadline last February if they hadn't committed to not allowing him to walk for nothing.
So why do the Patriots and Red Sox not have this problem?
 

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Celtics fans got used to the doom and gloom story that the former owners pummeled the media with for 15 years to excuse their incompetence and penny pinching. Free agency only really arrived in the NBA in the early 90s (prior to that the system had a built in compensatory measure, and even when that passed teams held a right of first refusal similar to the current RFA system). By the time it hit the NBA the Celtics were owned by Thanks Dad!, the east coast version of Donald Sterling. People need to get over the doom and gloom thing.

The biggest problem the Celtics have in recruiting stars is that they're a ten man bench without any legitimate NBA starters (Smart will get there eventually), and that's a tough sell. "Hey, come play in Boston and help us to tread water in hopes that we can recruit another guy!"
 

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So why do the Patriots and Red Sox not have this problem?
Well, for one, the NBA is distinct in that there is a cap on contract offers; when max-level players are being offered the same amount of money from several teams, they are more likely to focus on secondary preferences like city nightlife, weather, etc.   Within the confines of the salary cap, the Patriots can offer players whatever they want; and the Sox can offer 5/$95m to Pablo freakin' Sandoval.  Not hard to convince players to play in Boston when you can outbid other teams.
 

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So he'd turn down the chance to coach LeBron and a ton of money, then take up Boogie and the Kings? That's...odd.
 
Absent an NCAA investigation at KY, hard to believe he's truly serious about this.

Of course, given Cal's history (and I am a fan, as I think all college teams 'cheat') such an investigation can't be ruled out either
 

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Well, for one, the NBA is distinct in that there is a cap on contract offers; when max-level players are being offered the same amount of money from several teams, they are more likely to focus on secondary preferences like city nightlife, weather, etc.   Within the confines of the salary cap, the Patriots can offer players whatever they want; and the Sox can offer 5/$95m to Pablo freakin' Sandoval.  Not hard to convince players to play in Boston when you can outbid other teams.
 
 
The Giants supposedly gave Sandoval the same offer.  Hanley took a below market deal -- he specifically sought out the Red Sox.  Guys go the Pats for below market deals all the time, Darelle Revis last year being the most recent example.
 
Right now, no, I doubt Jimmy Butler and Greg Monroe would come here unless it was for way more money.  But that's because of the current roster, not because it gets cold, or because we had busing 40 years ago. 
 

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Celtics set up meeting with Jimmy Butler but he postponed it.  
 http://www.masslive.com/celtics/index.ssf/2015/06/nba_free_agency_rumors_2015_ji.html
 
Ainge to fans: "Hey, at least we tried to make a big move. See, we met with Jimmy Butler but he chose to go back to Chicago." 
It's all he really can do is throw maxes at as many guys as possible in the hope one bites. This is a rough offseason, lot of teams willing to give maxes to re-sign guys because they know the cap is going up. So teams like CLE and CHI who might have had real trouble matching a max offer won't think twice, and with the cap going up less teams are looking to move out guys on the overpaid side. It's just a perfect storm for not being able to get anybody.
 

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The Giants supposedly gave Sandoval the same offer.  Hanley took a below market deal -- he specifically sought out the Red Sox.  Guys go the Pats for below market deals all the time, Darelle Revis last year being the most recent example.
 
Right now, no, I doubt Jimmy Butler and Greg Monroe would come here unless it was for way more money.  But that's because of the current roster, not because it gets cold, or because we had busing 40 years ago. 
It's because a max FA like Butler would be passing on a 5th year and a larger contract. When a player like Monroe (or Aldridge) does this the vultures in NY and LA or a successful home town team like the Spurs come calling. The best player we've acquired in the past 30 years refused to come here even though he didn't have a no-trade clause......but we can continue beating this horse dead every summer.
 

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It's because a max FA like Butler would be passing on a 5th year and a larger contract. When a player like Monroe (or Aldridge) does this the vultures in NY and LA or a successful home town team like the Spurs come calling. The best player we've acquired in the past 30 years refused to come here even though he didn't have a no-trade clause......but we can continue beating this horse dead every summer.
Again, what specifically is the issue the Celtics have that the Red Sox and Patriots do not?
 

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"The best player we've acquired refused to come here" is a great sentence. I mean, he came here, right?
 
How many times has Boston had cap space to offer a top free agent? How many times have they been a decent team in that time?

We are dealing with really, really small samples here....very few teams have signed top free agents in the NBA's short history of free agency.
Yeah, we had to trade for a Top-20 All-Time scorer to get someone to leave the Timberwolves. When the deal was ready to get done prior to that Garnett said No. Well let's sit back and watch this summer and next summer load up with the Cap Space we have......wake me up when it happens I'll be napping. ;)
 

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Yeah, we had to trade for a Top-20 All-Time scorer to get someone to leave the Timberwolves. When the deal was ready to get done prior to that Garnett said No. Well let's sit back and watch this summer and next summer load up with the Cap Space we have......wake me up when it happens I'll be napping. ;)
Yes, they had to show they were a legit contender to get him to leave the place he had spent his whole career and become fond of. So what?
 

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Again, what specifically is the issue the Celtics have that the Red Sox and Patriots do not?
The Red Sox is a clear difference as it is a non-cap league, so spending power makes a huge difference in terms of both usually being the clear most money, and the ability to stack the roster with other top money players.
 
As to the Patriots, they are the most successful franchise in their sport, and they still rarely sign the biggest free agents, now it could be that they simply prioritize value and that is why they rarely sign big FAs. The exception would be Revis, but that is a strange case, he was cut when most teams had already locked up most of their cap space, and he came here with the hope of getting a ring. Once he did, he left for a better offer in NY, whether it was all money (probably) or at least partially a preference for one of the big nightlife/media cities is unclear.
 
Edit- I don't agree with the idea that FAs will NEVER sign in Boston, but at the same time in the NBA, top stars are looking for particular cities since the money is equal, with other considerations being championship potential (we're not in that category) and other stars on the roster (nope). Few real stars want to go to a less attractive city, with unattractive teammates, no matter what the history or coaching situation. Add in that there are a number of teams where the tax situation makes the same contract more valuable and it makes it harder to compete.
 

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Again, what specifically is the issue the Celtics have that the Red Sox and Patriots do not?
What big name high dollar FA have come to the Patriots? The Red Sox players don't have to spend November through March dealing with Boston winters.

The Celtics lose in nightlife and weather against the teams they are competing against (they don't compete against the Pats or Sox)......nightlife is critical in the luring of 25-year old multi-millionaires and our winters really suck.
 

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I've never bought into the notion that there's some inherent problem in Boston that would prevent them from  attracting free agents.  These things are fluid.  Guys want to win.  That's why the Sox and Patriots are both among the most desired destinations for free agents.  The one period in the NBA free agent era when the C's were really relevant, they had no problem getting Rasheed Wallace, Sam Cassell, PJ Brown, Stephon Marbury, etc. to endure the long winters.  Greg Monroe?  I dunno.  I'm not sure how hot they really were after another defensively challenged PF.
when they showed up, they were a shell of themselves (throw in Shaq, Jermaine O'Neal, etc)...Celts got a bunch of passed their prime guys to take $ to come here...no one nearing the end of their prime came to Boston to chase a championship
 

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Again, what specifically is the issue the Celtics have that the Red Sox and Patriots do not?
NBA players are an anomaly, generally speaking NFL/NHL/MLB players don't put as great a weight (if any) on playing in warm weather/big cities as the NBA guys.  Absurd to me how much that drives NBA players.
 

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The Red Sox is a clear difference as it is a non-cap league, so spending power makes a huge difference in terms of both usually being the clear most money, and the ability to stack the roster with other top money players.
Hanley Ramirez took less to come here. The A's outbid us on Adrian Beltre. The extension Schilling agreed to when he agreed to come was way below market.

The Rockets had never signed a big FA. Then they traded for James Harden. The next season, they signed Dwight Howard.
 

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Good players don't want to come to bad teams. Market is being overblown here. The Lakers were turned down by every major free agent last year and will probably be turned down by every free agent this year.

Edit- if the NBA was played in the summer like MLB than players would be more open to Boston.
 

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Edit- I don't agree with the idea that FAs will NEVER sign in Boston, but at the same time in the NBA, top stars are looking for particular cities since the money is equal, with other considerations being championship potential (we're not in that category) and other stars on the roster (nope). Few real stars want to go to a less attractive city, with unattractive teammates, no matter what the history or coaching situation. Add in that there are a number of teams where the tax situation makes the same contract more valuable and it makes it harder to compete.
This is clear with the Lakers recent track record of unparalleled success in the free agent market...

People get so caught up in the attitudes of the children of the 70s combined with years and years of propaganda driven into their heads by Sterling Lite that they're not seeing the forest for the trees. Players, the ones you should want anyway, want to win, and will go wherever they can to get it. James bailed on his hometown to go someplace to win rings, and returned there once they had an all star and a #1 pick to trade for another, leaving him in position to keep playing for titles.

Boston's problem is literally the lack of starter quality players at the moment. When the project started in earnest a couple of years ago I said that this one wouldn't run as smoothly as the last because they didn't have a top 10 player on the roster to serve as an enticement. Next summer, with the possibility of as many as four lottery picks, they'll have their opening. This summer is a year early.
 

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Anyway, the best news so far this offseason is that LaMarcus Aldridge will likely choose between Portland and San Antonio.  Dallas has been hot after him, but them getting shut out in FA would be fantastic since the C's hold their pick and it is only protected 1-7 (there should be enough talent remaining to avoid falling that far).   Between Dallas. Brooklyn, and our own, very realistic to have 3 picks in the top 15 next year.
 

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Yeah, I keep saying that next summer is their big opening, because if either the Boston pick or Brooklyn pick pay off, they have their Kyrie Irving, and Smart should be an established quality starter, so the big name free agents will look on the destination with a more friendly eye.
 

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I don't really concur with that. It's not as top heavy as 2015, but it's also not an arctic wasteland outside ten or twelve guys the way this year's was.
 

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Some of the late decisions by top-20 guys this year to go back to school really improved the stock of next year's draft tremendously - in particular Jakob Poeltl, Kris Dunn, Domantas Sabonis and Caris Levert - all four should be strong options in the top 15, in addition to what looks like a decent-good cream of the crop in Simmons Labissiere and Jaylen Brown.  
 
Regardless, hard to know too much prior to the season, as the consensus at this time last year was that this year's draft was not nearly as good as last year's in terms of elite prospects, which turned out not to be true when Russell came out of nowhere, and Towns improved tremendously, etc.  
 

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Some of the late decisions by top-20 guys this year to go back to school really improved the stock of next year's draft tremendously - in particular Jakob Poeltl, Kris Dunn, Domantas Sabonis and Caris Levert - all four should be strong options in the top 15, in addition to what looks like a decent-good cream of the crop in Simmons Labissiere and Jaylen Brown.  
 
And all the Euros who pulled out of the draft.