When you don’t bet on them, you signal that you think they will lose. So unless you bet on them to win every week, it provides information. In theory.
The second post in response to the tweet was “this is a huge deal”, but maybe that’s a minority opinion that I was addressing.
I mean, can't have guys throwing together parlays for pocket change. Have to hit him with twice the standard suspension for killing a person, 3 times the suspension for child abuse, 4-8 times the suspension for domestic violence.... yeah.
I don’t get gambling. How can you bet $1,500 but lose $11.1 million? Wouldn’t you just lose the $1,500 you wagered? (Clearly I’m a complete Neanderthal when it comes to this.)
He bets on them to win, but they’re 8 point favorites, up 6 late, and he drops a couple of catchable balls to keep it within the margin?
This is crazy news, so just spit balling.
But why would he do this? He gambled on them to win, not bet on the other team to cover 8 points in your scenario.
It’s not like he literally offered to pay the coach hundreds of thousands of dollars to lose games.
Isn't this the Pete Rose thing? He only bet on his own team? The concern was some greater effort to win in the games you bet on (which is more obviously manipulatable if you're a manager*) or some inside knowledge.
*ed- e.g. emptying the bullpen
*ed- e.g. emptying the bullpen
It’s a slippery slope. One day you’re betting parlays, the next you’re shooting the other team’s safety after a 40 yard run.
View: https://youtu.be/VVrsGHs2MCk
Betting on your team to cover -4.5, on the last play of regulation in a tied game. Any of the snapper/holder/kicker can botch the operation to ensure their ticket stays alive with overtime.
It’s just butterfly effect shit - any betting, even for a favorable outcome, can affect gameplay and create an outcome at odds with the ending without in-game wagering.
Ridley is (a) stupid for risking this over peanuts (to him) in bets, and (b) unlucky to be the guy who got caught to give the NFL a chance to show how serious they are about this. But his punishment doesn't seem overly harsh to me given the stakes at hand, there can't be a perception that players are betting on games, whether they are playing in them or not. Bet on college football or the NBA or something instead if you are an active NFL player.
The NFL sucks about a million different ways but they cannot allow players or coaches to wager on games, even if the league is in bed with casinos and sports books and the like.
The NFL sucks about a million different ways but they cannot allow players or coaches to wager on games, even if the league is in bed with casinos and sports books and the like.
Agreed.
If you work for a casino, you can’t gamble there. Even though the vast majority of employee gaming would be harmless, the risk to the business from the tiny minority is great enough that a prophylactic rule is needed. It’s obviously not a moral judgment about gambling, and employees are free to play elsewhere. But if you break the rule, you’ll be fired, even though other employees have done things more morally culpable, and even things more damaging to the business, without suffering the same punishment.
I don’t see how the NFL’s rule is different. Comparing Ridley’s punishment to, say, Ray Rice’s totally misses the point. This isn’t a moral crusade against gambling; it’s the NFL enforcing a rule that was established for sound business reasons and clearly communicated up front to everyone. (Rachel Bonnetta was saying recently that she can’t gamble on the NFL because she works for NFL Network, so the rule is obviously very broad in scope.)
Rapoport followed up with another tweet saying they are working on a long term deal and will tag him if that doesn't work out.
View: https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1501220463929876485?t=h6jcbzwPXSdwf4vkb1vI8w&s=19
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/mike-gesicki-free-agency-2022-dolphins-apply-franchise-tag-to-former-second-round-pick/
This could get interesting. MIA supposedly tagging Gesicki as a TE. He may file a grievance, given he played 85% of his snaps in the slot.
This could get interesting. MIA supposedly tagging Gesicki as a TE. He may file a grievance, given he played 85% of his snaps in the slot.
This is a really interesting conversation given how TE's are used in today's game. I remember this issue originally coming up when Jimmy Graham was getting the tag; since he functionally was more like a WR. It's a unique quirk with the franchise tag that it ties into designated positions, when those positions are not always cut-and-dry. You can use the same argument between outside linebackers/defensive ends. Functionally, it feels like the NFL doesn't even use the OLB/DE designations anymore, instead using the blanket term of Edge Rusher.
On a related note, I thought it was odd that someone like Kyle Pitts was hyped up as this incredible TE prospect, when he really is just a WR since he is almost never on the line. He's a great young player; but he isn't really much of a TE.
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#Chargers are signing WR Mike Williams to a three-year, $60 million deal with $40 million fully guaranteed at signing, source confirms.
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#Chargers are signing WR Mike Williams to a three-year, $60 million deal with $40 million fully guaranteed at signing, source confirms.
except...
1. They cut him, Hightower is a FA (and may be back)
2. The current version of Wagner is still very good, Hightower is generously league average, realistically he's just not good anymore.
So Seattle voluntarily cutting ties makes him more desirable? He’s the same age as DH, and DH has less mileage due to skipping 2020. My guess is if we watched Seattle as closely as we watched the Pats we’d be fine with moving on too.
I think he was saying the writer is laying it on pretty thick for a respected but not iconic player. He’s Hightower, not Wilfork or Law.
It’s both, really. Very good player. Not a hall of famer, and not someone that teams should be getting into a bidding war over given his age.
6 time first team All Pro. Every other LB with that many All Pro selections is in the Hall.
Things are relative, he's maybe the best player in the history of his franchise.
Also... I get we all love Hightower... but Wagner was and still is a better player.
Though I think he's very much Ty Law. He's an 8 time pro-bowler, he's been 1st team All-Pro 6 times, he was on the Hall of Fame's all decade team for the 2010s. Outside of Patriots fans he's considered not only better than Hightower, but as one of the truly elite defenders of the last decade.
I was noting why Schefter is noting that he's a legend for them. Nothing in the tweet you posted was about his FA value.
Though yes he has far more value than Hightower as he was much better than him last year and has been much better than him throughout their respective careers,
Yeah I'll amend my post to he's a virtual lock.
EDIT:
Cellar-Door:do you think DH is slow?
https://sonsofsamhorn.net/index.php?search/337674/&q=slow&t=post&c[child_nodes]=1&c[nodes][0]=164&c[users]=Cellar-Door&o=date
among others. I think 2021 Hightower's speed and ground coverage relative to his peers is pretty well established.
Funny thing is, at the right price I'd be fine with Hightower back. He's not a terrible player, but he's one of the slower guys at that position league wide, so he needs speed around him. Pairing him up with a bunch of other big slow guys just meant it was much harder to put him in positions to succeed, and more frequently he was getting stuck in terrible matchups.
Yeah Wagner is a much much better player at this stage of his career than Hightower. He’ll be in high demand and High’s market will be extremely limited.
And also, yeah, Wilson and Wagner arriving on the same day in 2012 and leaving on the same day in 2022 is definitely a signifier of an end of an era. The best offensive player of the last ten years and the best defensive player of the last 10 years for Seattle both arrived and left on the same day. That is kind of nutty.
I do not think that is laying it on too thick.
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/seattle-seahawks/tyler-lockett-16793/
a lot probably, that contract is great for the acquiring team
It's not happening before June 1. He'd cost $15M in dead money against the cap and with his cap number for this year $10M, they lose ground trading him then. Post June 1 it's only $3.8M dead money, so it may happen then. The Seahawks aren't the Texans, so I would expect a first rounder, even though Lockett isn't as good as Hopkins.
Lockett turns 30 in September and is a small WR who relies on speed/quickness so I'd be pretty surprised if the Seahawks could get a 1st round pick for him. But I'm sure that's where they'd start and I wouldn't expect them to budge.