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Guess OBJ looked awesome in that workout, because even his time with the Rams has been vastly overrated in hindsight. I think at best he's a number two on a non contender at this point.
 

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Guess OBJ looked awesome in that workout, because even his time with the Rams has been vastly overrated in hindsight. I think at best he's a number two on a non contender at this point.
The last time he was on the field he was a number two on a Super Bowl team behind Cupp in both targets and receptions in all 3 playoff wins. He was a crucial pick up for them that year.
 

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His 17 game projected stats with the Rams in the regular season were 60 catches for 650 yards. Meh.
Right but once he was acclimated with their system and gained chemistry with Stafford he was really really good in the playoffs.
 

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Right but once he was acclimated with their system and gained chemistry with Stafford he was really really good in the playoffs.
Yes, 21 catches on 26 targets for 288 yards and 2 TD. Projections on a 4 game sample are skewed but over 17 games this would equate to 89 catches on 110 targets for 1200 yards and 8.5 TDs.
 

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Yes, 21 catches on 26 targets for 288 yards and 2 TD. Projections on a 4 game sample are skewed but over 17 games this would equate to 89 catches on 110 targets for 1200 yards and 8.5 TDs.
The 49ers game is carrying a huge portion of the load on those stats. I don't know, not a huge fan of buying high on one truly great game out of a 3 and a half game sample size two years ago before an ACL tear.
 

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The 49ers game is carrying a huge portion of the load on those stats. I don't know, not a huge fan of buying high on one truly great game out of a 3 and a half game sample size two years ago before an ACL tear.
My feelings exactly. The other 3 games in the playoffs average out to 4 receptions for 59 yards per game. Kupp had gone off for 120 yards in the two regular season matchup between the 49ers/Rams and was on his was to 144 yards in this playoff game. The 49ers threw resources trying to bottle him up, and OBJ/Rams did a good job taking advantage.

Right but once he was acclimated with their system and gained chemistry with Stafford he was really really good in the playoffs.
I don't buy it. He only had two games with the Rams where he topped 39 yards receiving in the regular season - 81 and 77 yards - and they were both in the first 4 weeks of his arrival. He was averaging 3 receptions for 25 yards a game - despite seeing 6 targets a game - for the last month of the regular season when he knew the system better. Those are pretty putrid numbers.

Since that season, he's flipped to the wrong side of 30. He also tore his left ACL for a second time. We have doctors all over the place here, but its my recollection that recovering form after one ACL injury is feasible. Tearing the same ACL again is kind of a death sentence. I tore mine years ago - I'd say I'm almost the exact same physical specimen as NFL athletes - and I still think about it and feel it anytime I do quick lateral movements.

For $15M a season, you expect a WR to reasonably perform like a #1. Aside from that one outlier of a playoff game - where his counterpart went for 144 yards - the dude hasn't topped 90 yards since week 6 of the 2019 season almost half a decade ago.

Maybe he finds his form. But I'm betting against it.
 

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The 49ers game is carrying a huge portion of the load on those stats. I don't know, not a huge fan of buying high on one truly great game out of a 3 and a half game sample size two years ago before an ACL tear.
Agreed - this feels like a moderate-to-heavy overpay. Agent earned his paycheck; Lamar should take notice.
 

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I'm a bit excited to know what @johnmd20 thinks about this signing.

For me, this is a massive overpay and the chances OBJ stays healthy, and then content to be the 3rd option (running team first, TE Andrews passing option second, OBJ third) remains to be seen. Oh, and Baltimore doesn't have a starting caliber QB yet.

This has shitshow written all over it.
 

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I'm a bit excited to know what @johnmd20 thinks about this signing.

For me, this is a massive overpay and the chances OBJ stays healthy, and then content to be the 3rd option (running team first, TE Andrews passing option second, OBJ third) remains to be seen. Oh, and Baltimore doesn't have a starting caliber QB yet.

This has shitshow written all over it.
This signing isn't as bad as the Kenny Golladay deal, which is quite possibly the worst deal in history for a WR. That was also four years, this is only one year.

It's a terrible signing because OBJ is the most overrated player in the NFL and it is a ridiculous contract for his current skills but it's also only one year, so it's not an all time bad deal. OBJ is washed and his body is broken, he's on the wrong side of the age curve, and will not have played competitive football for literally 19 months when the season starts. That is a crazy amount of time to not have played. He's also a head case. He didn't lose it in LA because things were going well and they won the SB.

Wait until Baltimore runs 64% of the time and Huntley is doing rollout options with OBJ getting 3 targets a game. It'll be fine. What an odd choice for Baltimore.
 

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This signing isn't as bad as the Kenny Golladay deal, which is quite possibly the worst deal in history for a WR. That was also four years, this is only one year.

It's a terrible signing because OBJ is the most overrated player in the NFL and it is a ridiculous contract for his current skills but it's also only one year, so it's not an all time bad deal. OBJ is washed and his body is broken, he's on the wrong side of the age curve, and will not have played competitive football for literally 19 months when the season starts. That is a crazy amount of time to not have played. He's also a head case. He didn't lose it in LA because things were going well and they won the SB.

Wait until Baltimore runs 64% of the time and Huntley is doing rollout options with OBJ getting 3 targets a game. It'll be fine. What an odd choice for Baltimore.
Such a weird decision by both parties, although of course OBJ is just chasing the $, as he should.
 

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Structure is interesting. Kind of feels like a "if Lamar is back we'll overpay to get a WR, if Lamar sits out or is traded the year is probably lost, but we can move OBJ for something on his nothing base salary to help rebuild"
 

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Such a weird decision by both parties, although of course OBJ is just chasing the $, as he should.
I think the decision by Odell makes a lot of sense. He's getting a ton of money, more than he's worth.

Lord knows what the hell the Ravens are doing, tho.
 

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I think the decision by Odell makes a lot of sense. He's getting a ton of money, more than he's worth.

Lord knows what the hell the Ravens are doing, tho.
It makes sense from a $ perspective, but seems like he'll be unhappy when he's not getting targets
 

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It makes sense from a $ perspective, but seems like he'll be unhappy when he's not getting targets
The structure of the deal with so much bonus $ would seem to give him a major incentive to make himself a PITA to get released during the season. He loses a bit of salary with a release but then has the opportunity to sign on with another team.
 

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Structure is probably for cap purposes. Announced as a one year deal but could be dummy year or two in there to spread the signing bonus out.

I'm with those that feel that is a lot of guarantee for a guy that hasn't played in a year and averaged 38 yds/gm the year before.
 

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Not sure why there’s confusion on the part of what the Ravens are doing: placating Lamar.

“We won’t give you a fully guaranteed deal, but we’ll change OCs and get you Odell Beckham.”

Worst case scenario is Lamar skips out on them and they have OBJ catch passes from Huntley for a year and everyone forgets about it.

Best case scenario is Lamar is happy, resigns with the team, and they still move on from OBJ after this season.
 

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Not sure why there’s confusion on the part of what the Ravens are doing: placating Lamar.

“We won’t give you a fully guaranteed deal, but we’ll change OCs and get you Odell Beckham.”

Worst case scenario is Lamar skips out on them and they have OBJ catch passes from Huntley for a year and everyone forgets about it.

Best case scenario is Lamar is happy, resigns with the team, and they still move on from OBJ after this season.
Placating Lamar by not paying him but giving his money to a guy who hasn't played a snap is over 12 months is just great business.

Anyway, Lamar isn't the answer for the Ravens or any team in the NFL. His game style isn't a long term one and it would be very tough to commit to him for a lengthy period of time. Which is why the Ravens haven't. He's gotten worse every year for the past 4 years. Last year he was amazing for three games and then ok, poor, or injured for the rest.

Signing Odell is a splash signing because the Ravens won't pay Lamar and they need something shiny and new (I guess new, because Odell isn't shiny anymore) for the fans.
 

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Placating Lamar by not paying him but giving his money to a guy who hasn't played a snap is over 12 months is just great business.

Anyway, Lamar isn't the answer for the Ravens or any team in the NFL. His game style isn't a long term one and it would be very tough to commit to him for a lengthy period of time. Which is why the Ravens haven't. He's gotten worse every year for the past 4 years. Last year he was amazing for three games and then ok, poor, or injured for the rest.

Signing Odell is a splash signing because the Ravens won't pay Lamar and they need something shiny and new (I guess new, because Odell isn't shiny anymore) for the fans.
This is about showing Lamar that they aren’t going to continue to run the same offense with terrible receivers and no help for him outside of Mark Andrews.

I agree that Odell is beyond past his peak, but if Lamar was advocating for him coming to Baltimore, and reports were that Lamar was directly recruiting OBJ, why not kill two birds with one stone? Make Lamar happy and marginally upgrade the receiving corps for a one year premium.
 

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I thought Rashod Bateman had promise and still do if he can get on the field. It'll be too bad if he ends up losing targets to Odell.
 

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ESPN talking Odell, of course, but at least it's fresh news to go over. And at least they aren't showing the catch over and over.

They are highlighting how he was 10th in YAC and yards per reception over 6 years in the NFL. The problem is, those years were 2014 to 2019.

And that sums up Odell. He was awesome, a top tier WR talent. 5 years, two knees, and a bevy of other injuries ago.
 

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Maybe signing OBJ for a year is sending a different message to Lamar.

You're under contract. There isn't a team out there that needs a QB that is going to give two first round picks for you. We'll see you in camp. We're looking forward to seeing you and OBJ play for the next year, where you're both going to be under contract on one year deals.

If you want to talk a longer deal, you know where to find us. Be nice if you had an agent.
 

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Seems like a reasonable flier on a guy that has talent and just hasn't put it together or stayed healthy. Crazy how ephemeral these careers are. Would be cool to see him put it together, but he's also basically one bad camp from being out of the league.
 

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Seems like a reasonable flier on a guy that has talent and just hasn't put it together or stayed healthy. Crazy how ephemeral these careers are. Would be cool to see him put it together, but he's also basically one bad camp from being out of the league.
Started 15 games last year so guessing he wasn’t very good? I’m always a fan of taking a low risk flyers on former top picks. More often than not, it won’t work out but the upside is tantalizing.
 

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Lamar Jackson looking on, wondering what it is he has done. Him not finishing the season two years in a row has scared everyone off.
 

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Eagles and Jalen Hurts reached agreement on a five-year, $255 million extension, including $179.304 million guaranteed, per source.
So if it's an extension, he is still playing 2023 at a $4.789m cap hit. I was wondering if Howie would rip up his existing deal for a lower cap hit across the board. Guess not. We'll have to see the breakdown, though.

It will be interesting to see what they do with De'Vonta Smith, who is about to get VERY expensive. Everyone talks about Burrow-Chase-Higgins and how the Bengals are going to make that work, but the Eagles are in a pretty similar situation with Hurts-Smith-AJ Brown (Although Brown has been paid and Higgins hasnt)
 

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Lamar Jackson looking on, wondering what it is he has done. Him not finishing the season two years in a row has scared everyone off.
Hasn’t Lamar been demanding a 100% guaranteed contract like DeShaun though? Would the Ravens be willing to offer this same contract to Lamar? I would think so. I’m not sure Lamar would take it based on the reporting so far though.
 

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Lamar Jackson looking on, wondering what it is he has done. Him not finishing the season two years in a row has scared everyone off.
More the tag I would guess.
Also.. even if you're interested, with the tag on him there is no real incentive to do anything before the draft. If you're willing to lose two 1sts, you want to have them both be from years you have the star QB for. If you're looking to make a trade, well the leverage for BAL doesn't go up over time.

Hasn’t Lamar been demanding a 100% guaranteed contract like DeShaun though? Would the Ravens be willing to offer this same contract to Lamar? I would think so. I’m not sure Lamar would take it based on the reporting so far though.
Not clear, but he's indicated that is not true. It's clear he wants a LOT of guarantee, and he wants real guarantee, He ripped someone (Schefter I think?) who posted a clear Ravens leak that he turned down some big guarantee, by coming back with what the actual "full guarantee" was.
 

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So if it's an extension, he is still playing 2023 at a $4.789m cap hit. I was wondering if Howie would rip up his existing deal for a lower cap hit across the board. Guess not. We'll have to see the breakdown, though.

It will be interesting to see what they do with De'Vonta Smith, who is about to get VERY expensive. Everyone talks about Burrow-Chase-Higgins and how the Bengals are going to make that work, but the Eagles are in a pretty similar situation with Hurts-Smith-AJ Brown (Although Brown has been paid and Higgins hasnt)
DeVonta has two years remaining plus the fifth year option though. That's a pretty long time.
 

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That's assuming he doesn't force their hand. Another year like last year could change things.

That said, it's a good problem to have.
Smith had the luxury of AJ Brown being on the team last year, tho. Call it the Antonio Brown effect. Juju's second season's numbers look broken but that was because AB was getting all the attention. Since then, Juju has been good. At best.

It's the same thing in Philly. Smith is great, but I'm not sure he will have a lot of room to gripe.
 

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Smith had the luxury of AJ Brown being on the team last year, tho. Call it the Antonio Brown effect. Juju's second season's numbers look broken but that was because AB was getting all the attention. Since then, Juju has been good. At best.

It's the same thing in Philly. Smith is great, but I'm not sure he will have a lot of room to gripe.
He also posted a 64/916/5 line his rookie season, in a year where Dallas Goedert was the only other target worth throwing to. This was also under a rookie HC, OC, and (essentially) QB.
 

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He also posted a 64/916/5 line his rookie season, in a year where Dallas Goedert was the only other target worth throwing to. This was also under a rookie HC, OC, and (essentially) QB.
Smith is great. But he's not, "I want a new deal in the 3rd year of my rookie contract," great. That's all. I just don't see him grumbling and it getting anywhere.
 

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Lamar Jackson looking on, wondering what it is he has done. Him not finishing the season two years in a row has scared everyone off.
It has to also be the lack of an agent. I'm sorry to say that is hindering him considerably. You need someone to be out there working the angles and playing the game with front offices and the media. (This has been covered but it only seems to be getting worse.). Agents have made their profession valuable. The 10% or whatever stings, but is likely worth it.

Congrats to Hurts, by the way. He's an absolute model for perseverance if a college QB ever feels aggrieved.
 

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Smith is great. But he's not, "I want a new deal in the 3rd year of my rookie contract," great. That's all. I just don't see him grumbling and it getting anywhere.
Well, no one's eligible for a new deal in their third year. If he takes another step though, he'll be right up there with the guys who got extended after their third years.
 

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Probably some high picks. I can’t imagine they’d give him the deal he wants, which is reportedly in excess of the Roquan Smith contract. White just isn’t a reliable enough player to justify that kind of investment.
I can't imagine a player more taylor made to drive Bill crazy on defense than Devin White. Want no part of him.