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Does he still have MRSA?
 
And if not, has Nick Caserio called his agent yet?
 
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The Browns ESPN page for ST is entitled the Johnny Manziel Camp Daily, which is ridiculous. But in the schadenfreude category (I hate that privileged, entitled brat) things aren't off to a banging start for Johnny Football:
 
http://espn.go.com/blog/cleveland-browns/post/_/id/6872/johnny-manziel-camp-daily-july-27
 
While Hoyer seems to have had a good few days....definitely a guy I'm rooting for, even beyond having guys like Stephen A and Skip Bayless say he needs to step aside for their boy Johnny F.:
 
http://espn.go.com/blog/cleveland-browns/post/_/id/6867/sterling-day-for-brian-hoyer-at-browns-camp
 
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DMW is coming into his 10th season having missed his first 3 games in his career in 2013. 
 
But look at his sacks/tackles production the last three seasons:
  • 2011: 19.5 / 47
  • 2012: 11.5 / 33
  • 2013: 6.0 / 28
One of his comp player is James Harrison. Sure a different kind of a player, but JH's last four years went like this:
  • 2010: 10.5 / 70
  • 2011: 9.0 / 48
  • 2012: 6.0 / 49
  • 2013: 2.0 / 16
These guys decline quickly when their bodies start to go. You can certainly have a Andre Carter type resurgence in the right system, and Denver can provide that, but if DMW continues to have nagging health issues the road back to SB has gotten a bit tougher for the Broncos. 
 
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Not training camp news, but scroll on NESN says NFL will be introducing realtime on-field player tracking this season.
 
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This may just interest me, but Scott Mitchell (remember he turned a few good games in Miami into a starting job somehow in Detroit) is going to be on the Biggest Loser
 

 
If you dont know the Biggest Loser, they like to humiliate you Day 1 for some reason by putting your weight on your chest, hence the 366
 
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wutang112878 said:
This may just interest me, but Scott Mitchell (remember he turned a few good games in Miami into a starting job somehow in Detroit) is going to be on the Biggest Loser
 

 
If you dont know the Biggest Loser, they like to humiliate you Day 1 for some reason by putting your weight on your chest, hence the 366
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They should force him to watch a continuous loop of highlights of this game.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/199512300phi.htm?mobile=false
 
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I dont think that was even his worst.  Here he had a 45% completion, 158 yards, 4 INTs and Zero TDs  I never understood what Detroit saw in him.
 
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I dont think that was even his worst.  Here he had a 45% completion, 158 yards, 4 INTs and Zero TDs  I never understood what Detroit saw in him.
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Oh there were definitely worse games, however the one I mentioned was a playoff game coming off his only good season with Detroit (4300yds 32TD, 92 QB Rating). As to what the Lions saw in him ... after enough years of Rodney Peete, Andre Ware, and Erik Karmer. almost anything looks good.
 
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Dgilpin said:
 
Oh there were definitely worse games, however the one I mentioned was a playoff game coming off his only good season with Detroit (4300yds 32TD, 92 QB Rating). As to what the Lions saw in him ... after enough years of Rodney Peete, Andre Ware, and Erik Karmer. almost anything looks good.
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Barry Sanders deserved better than what that team did around him. 
 
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Damien Woody (388 lb) on the biggest loser, also
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This season?  He should have joined while he was playing, he might have extended his career a few years.
 
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Damien Woody (388 lb) on the biggest loser, also
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wutang112878 said:
 
This season?  He should have joined while he was playing, he might have extended his career a few years.
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In the case that you are not just messing around...
Sure he should have been healthier but it's not as easy as you make it seem (Not disagreeing with your point in other words). Have you ever been 350+ in your life? I have. I never got to 388 but I certainly got close. It's mental. I wish him the best of luck. I know where he has been (to an extent - he HAD to be big for football, I did not HAVE to be big) and, fortunately, I know where he is about to go too. It's hard work and even with diet and exercise it takes a long time to shed 100+ pounds. Maybe this is just a thorny/sensitive issue for me but until you've been there try not to pass too much judgment as to what should have been. I read the article as well and I'll be cheering for him (in spirit - no cable TV at casa SMU). 
For guys like these... we had one foot in the grave.
I don't know what the NFL does to transition players to civilian life (you know what I mean). But I would truly hope former players have access to nutritionists as what they eat to keep up 300+ lbs is not going to work when they are retired and sadly for players like Woody if they don't make some drastic changes they really are in trouble. You'd think this is common sense, right? It's just more complicated than you'd think and the majority of the battle is mental. 
 
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SMU_Sox said:
 
 
 
In the case that you are not just messing around...
Sure he should have been healthier but it's not as easy as you make it seem (Not disagreeing with your point in other words). Have you ever been 350+ in your life? I have. I never got to 388 but I certainly got close. It's mental. I wish him the best of luck. I know where he has been (to an extent - he HAD to be big for football, I did not HAVE to be big) and, fortunately, I know where he is about to go too. It's hard work and even with diet and exercise it takes a long time to shed 100+ pounds. Maybe this is just a thorny/sensitive issue for me but until you've been there try not to pass too much judgment as to what should have been. I read the article as well and I'll be cheering for him (in spirit - no cable TV at casa SMU). 
For guys like these... we had one foot in the grave.
I don't know what the NFL does to transition players to civilian life (you know what I mean). But I would truly hope former players have access to nutritionists as what they eat to keep up 300+ lbs is not going to work when they are retired and sadly for players like Woody if they don't make some drastic changes they really are in trouble. You'd think this is common sense, right? It's just more complicated than you'd think and the majority of the battle is mental. 
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Settle down over there, Jared Fogle.
 
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In the case that you are not just messing around...
Sure he should have been healthier but it's not as easy as you make it seem (Not disagreeing with your point in other words).
I don't know what the NFL does to transition players to civilian life (you know what I mean). But I would truly hope former players have access to nutritionists as what they eat to keep up 300+ lbs is not going to work when they are retired and sadly for players like Woody if they don't make some drastic changes they really are in trouble. You'd think this is common sense, right? It's just more complicated than you'd think and the majority of the battle is mental. 
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I didnt mean to make it sound easy, I know its really not.  I know I struggled to just drop 20 pounds and I know thats not anywhere near as hard as it is once you go up in weight. 
 
As an offensive lineman its kind of a mixed bag in terms of dealing with your weight.  On the one hand as you mentioned you need to maintain a certain weight to play the position, so that makes weight management difficult.  On the other hand though, they have more resources than almost anyone on the planet to help them maintain their weight while they are playing and in some small amount that has to outweigh the challenge of having to maintain a certain weight.  Plus thats your freaking job, to stay in a certain physical condition.  Not to trash on the guy but thats just the reality of his situation, it should have been super important to him and he should of had every resource he needed to help him.  And I totally realize some people are predisposed to having weight problems too and I wouldnt be surprised if Woody fell into this category.
 
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wutang112878 said:
 
I didnt mean to make it sound easy, I know its really not.  I know I struggled to just drop 20 pounds and I know thats not anywhere near as hard as it is once you go up in weight. 
 
As an offensive lineman its kind of a mixed bag in terms of dealing with your weight.  On the one hand as you mentioned you need to maintain a certain weight to play the position, so that makes weight management difficult.  On the other hand though, they have more resources than almost anyone on the planet to help them maintain their weight while they are playing and in some small amount that has to outweigh the challenge of having to maintain a certain weight.  Plus thats your freaking job, to stay in a certain physical condition.  Not to trash on the guy but thats just the reality of his situation, it should have been super important to him and he should of had every resource he needed to help him.  And I totally realize some people are predisposed to having weight problems too and I wouldnt be surprised if Woody fell into this category.
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Sure, but Woody played a dozen years in the NFL and was a starter that whole time. Despite any weight issues, he was athletic enough to play four different spots along the OL. He's hardly a poster child for wasted talent.
 
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I never said that though.  I said that he had all the resources possible to manage his weight while playing, and if he was better at managing his weight while playing he could have possibly played a few more years.  And a big part of that is the athleticism that you mention, for someone his size (height and weight) it was really remarkable.  But if I recall it was a knee injury that ultimately had him retire, and I am sure that injury had nothing to do with his weight but I do believe that not carrying the extra weight then the knee might have been able to last a few more years.
 
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Shayne Graham missed one of the extra long "extra points" tonight. He's the first to miss one. Kind of interesting since they are currently losing 17-16.
 
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Thats true, but I believe thats Darren Fells who is 6 7 and listed at 280.  But it was all about his quickness, Fells never got his shoulders square against him for a fraction of a second.  Clowney almost looked as good as Easley there :)
 
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I dont think that was even his worst.  Here he had a 45% completion, 158 yards, 4 INTs and Zero TDs  I never understood what Detroit saw in him.
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Or Brian Hillock, who will never live down (at least in Baltimore) saying that the fans needed to take a "leap of faith" when he signed Scott Mitchell.

Mitchell lasted a game and a half, the second game being a 7/16, 48 yards with 2 pick stinker.

I believe it was at this time he received the most appropriate nickname ever: "The Water Buffalo."

That should be on the back of his Biggest Loser t-shirt.
 
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Cincinnati WR Marvin Jones broke the 5th metatarsal in his right foot and will be "out a few weeks".  Paging DRS to see what the actual time missed should be.  Will he be back for Week 5?
 
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Can't link as it's from an e-mail from Footballguys, but Jene Bramel (not DRS, but he's generally very good) says no:
 
 
Head coach Marvin Lewis said he'd be out "a few weeks", but our Dr. Jene Bramel and all available information about this break and procedure means it is most likely a "Jones fracture". That would put the optimistic end of his recovery time period at 8 weeks and the more likely window at 10-12 weeks, which would make Jones a candidate for IR, designated to return if the Bengals want to open up a roster spot while Jones recovers. He would miss eight games in that scenario.
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Bramel's twitter:
 
https://twitter.com/JeneBramel/status/498943899139047424
 

Marvin Jones: Broken fifth metatarsal and screw placement usually means Jones fracture. If that's case, 8 wks optimistic, likely 10-12 wks.
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https://twitter.com/JeneBramel/status/498944705854701568
 

Looking at similar timeline to guys like Hakeem Nicks, Julio Jones. Hopefully it goes better than Aaron Dobson, who was more in 16wk range.
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https://twitter.com/JeneBramel/status/498945759665201154
 

Dr. Robert Anderson, noted foot surgeon does many similar NFL cases. Studies quote some athletes back in ~ 8wks. But most commonly 10-12.
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That really sucks. Jones finished third in DVOA last year and it's not just because he played across from Green - he can make plays like these and he's also their best blocking WR. I think they'll try to get him back for New England after the bye, but if that becomes increasingly unlikely as the season approaches they should just short-term IR him as unfortunately he can't be PUPd since he already practiced. Mohamed Sanu has drawn rave reviews in camp but has been overmatched on the outside in his career, so this is a pretty big loss. Thankfully they won't be throwing as much this year and Eifert's projected ascent (highly-drafted TEs recently have taken big leaps in their second year) should hopefully offset some of the loss, but it's still a big one.
 
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Danny Trevathan just got carted off the practice field, per Mike Klis.   That can't be good for the Denver D - They are already pretty thin at linebacker.
 
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These teams seem awfully optimistic about recovery time frames. The Pats would have said "leg injury", "foot injury" or " day-to-day" for the injuries to Trevathan and Jones. These other teams are so specific that we can fact check them. ESPN.com also says that Trevathan's injury is a medial tibial fracture. Not his knee cap. 
 
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