Official Patriots 2024 Draft Pick Watch Thread (#3)
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Also. We may want to tank and root for losses. But no coach is going to tell his team to purposely tank. As it no only affects the team but the players who may be FA (ie a player will lose money). The average NFL career is already way shorter than any other sport so wanting players to tank can result in them losing millions of dollars in their next and perhaps (final) contract.
This team isn't horrible (top down) like CAR where the actual roster is so bad that its not them actually tanking. I mean why would CAR even want to tank when they do not even have their first round pick this year.?
The history of QB's going #2 overall is pretty abysmal. (McNabb, gabriel and a bunch of duds IIRC)
Mirer
Leaf
Mariota
Trubisky
Wilson
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Mariota
Trubisky
Wilson
etc.
What the fuck does this have to do with the price of tea in China? No one is suggesting that the Pats' coaches should instruct the team to tank.
too early to worry about the tiebreaker, Patriots I believe could be in 3rd by end of tomorrow.
Sure, but the Commanders are very unlikely to win again. The Pats have a good chance to beat the Jets. The trend isn't good.
Pats should just win out at this point. Move down as far as they can so that they can pick at a spot where good QBs usually get picked.
I'm starting to learn that from reading this thread. The focus should be on the 6th round because they've had success there before.
My point is some fans are reacting like BB and the Pats committed some capital offence by winning.
when thats not how they (BB) operates.
https://www.bostonglobe.com/2023/12/13/sports/dont-bring-your-tanking-aspirations-into-patriots-locker-room/
No matter what people say or seem to imply, absolutely no one expects the Pats to intentionally tank.
Good job good effort, BB.
Popovich never made coaching decisions that led the Spurs to tank as much as possible in a lost season, right?
BB was probably going to trade down anyways, what does it matter if he's trading the #6 pick instead of the #3 pick, it's going to net him what, one fewer 7th rounder?
Popovich never made coaching decisions that led the Spurs to tank as much as possible in a lost season, right?
BB was probably going to trade down anyways, what does it matter if he's trading the #6 pick instead of the #3 pick, it's going to net him what, one fewer 7th rounder?
Tanking in the nfl is for losers.this isn’t the nba. The pats will still end up with a top 5ish pick and JD will most likely be there.
Some here who root hard for Bill to continue on as HC also root for the pats to lose. Losing out is quite possibly the worst outcome if you believe Bill is better than Maye. I get that there are many here who believe Maye is better than Bill. But for those who want Bill to stay winning a game in prime time on Christmas Eve isn’t the worst thing.
Some here who root hard for Bill to continue on as HC also root for the pats to lose. Losing out is quite possibly the worst outcome if you believe Bill is better than Maye. I get that there are many here who believe Maye is better than Bill. But for those who want Bill to stay winning a game in prime time on Christmas Eve isn’t the worst thing.
I really don’t think Kraft’s decision on Bill hinges on whether or not they play hard and end up 3-14 or play hard and end up 6-11. There was a world where the Pats end up with a top 2 pick but don’t lose out in embarrassing fashion.
Disagree on Daniels likely being available at 5, and honestly I don’t know if Bb would pull the trigger on him if he were. He’s a weird fit for the Pats and I could easily see Bill going Fashanu or some defensive player if Harrison, Maye and Williams are all off the board as expected
I’m probably amongst the last fans on the “keep Bill” bandwagon but absent a huge upgrade at QB, next year is likely another lost season and I can’t imagine him staying for 2025 if that’s the case.
Selecting at 4 feels like a particularly cruel punishment having to watch Williams, Harrison Jr., and Maye all go directly before you.
Would like to see Bill get to draft Brock Bowers in his continued efforts of acquiring TEs and hoping one of them turns into Gronk or Hernandez.
Would like to see Bill get to draft Brock Bowers in his continued efforts of acquiring TEs and hoping one of them turns into Gronk or Hernandez.
My guess, with Maye and Williams likely out of the question now, is if Bill’s still here they trade back for a ton of picks, draft one of the “second-tier” QB’s in the middle of the first, draft Egbuka or Odunze late in R1 by moving around the board with the pieces they get, and then fill out the OL in R2 and R3.
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FYI Tankathon has a new feature, shows who to root for, for SOS.
https://www.tankathon.com/nfl/tiebreaker_rooting
You can type in Patriots abs Commies
The two most influential games are Seattle over Pitt next week and Falcons over NO final week
https://www.tankathon.com/nfl/tiebreaker_rooting
You can type in Patriots abs Commies
The two most influential games are Seattle over Pitt next week and Falcons over NO final week
But they beat NE head to head so they should be ahead of the Pats in the overall NFL standings. Unless I don’t understand how this works. (Totally possible)
I’m curious as to why. It matters when moving UP in the standings (that is, it’s the first tiebreaker for playoffs) but not when moving DOWN? Shouldn’t it be: here’s how the standings work, whether we are looking at places 7-8 or places 30-31?
Head to head only matters if the teams tie for SoS, which is unlikely and not the case here. Not sure why this is the rule.
Ok got it. That’s weird though why the standings order would be determined differently at the bottom of the standings than it is at the top.
KC-LV and PHI-NYG games today have no bearing on relative SOS. Assuming SF wins tonight, WAS and NE will be tied for SOS (133-122) and, because WAS beat NE, NE will have the #3 pick based on H2H results (3rd tiebreaker). If BAL wins, WAS retains the #3 spot based on worse SOS.
Week 17 games (WAS/NE SOS impact, excl ARI-PHI*, CAR-JAX**, NE-BUF and WAS-SF games)
NYJ-CLE (Thu) - root for CLE
DAL-DET (Sat) - root for DAL
NO-TB (Sun) - root for TB
MIA-BAL (Sun) - root for BAL
PIT-SEA (Sun) - root for SEA
LAC-DEN (Sun) - root for DEN
CIN-KC (Sun) - root for CIN
ATL-CHI, LV-IND, LAR-NYG, TEN-HOU, GB-MIN (Sun) - no impact
* game has no impact on relative SOS but an unlikely ARI win pushes ARI to 4 if WAS & NE lose their games
** game has no impact on relative SOS but if CAR wins both remaining games, then it may impact draft slots with WAS/NE if they lose out
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Unless you think Mac is back, they are absolutely bringing someone else in to seriously compete for the starting job.
What is your thought on the mechanic required to bring Fields to NE. Bill as coach? Bill as GM? Someone else as GM? Someone else as coach? Is CHI moving up in the draft and offering Fields as part of the package and, if so, what would else would NE be getting?
CHI is currently picking 1, 8 and 72, 109 and 128 in the top 4 rounds. NE is currently picking 4, 35, 68 and 103 in the top 4 rounds.
While there may or may not have been a significant amount of thought involved on your end, a 8/72/2025 2nd/Fields ($6mm salary) for 4/Jones ($5mm salary) trade could work if there is a new GM/coach who wants to acquire a bunch of picks and start anew at QB, assuming Williams, Maye and Daniels are all off the board by the 4th pick. I'd probably still take Alt or Harrison in the 4 spot though, since I think there's a big dropoff after 6. I don't imagine that Bill the GM is trading for Fields under any circumstances.
My guess is that the playoffs are a reward for your play that specific season and if you beat the team you’re tied with you get that reward. But for the draft it’s about the strength of your team as a whole so they look larger picture.
And H2H can still matter. Pats and Commanders are only separated by a game.
That said if it goes to H2H, does better pick go to loser or winner?
Jayden Daniels is not a second tier QB. By the time the draft rolls around you’ll see him mocked by some folks ahead of Maye
I am perfectly happy with Daniels. A win against the Jets could be disastrous though. If they believe in any of the 3 I’m all for mortgaging some future picks to get one.
Reading whiny, petulant rants by people mad that BB and the Patriots won a football game is something that enhanced my experience of being a Pats fan over the last two decades, so a big thanks to everyone doing it here.
Wow, we are just gonna let a soden drive by - which is usually reserved for game threads - go unremarked in a normal thread? I need that shit like I need to guzzle a bucket of bleach.
Hey, the Phins actually beat a team with a winning record yesterday. Let him have his fun.
Re: using SOS as a tiebreaker…. I mentally game played alternatives a bit and I actually think it’s perfect.
if you allow something like H2H or say, record in conference…. Then you really lead to scenarios where tanking can directly change gameplay. I think having a “random” tiebreaker like SOS minimizes chances of manipulation as much as is practical.
if you allow something like H2H or say, record in conference…. Then you really lead to scenarios where tanking can directly change gameplay. I think having a “random” tiebreaker like SOS minimizes chances of manipulation as much as is practical.
Yeah this might be like the Cs taking Tatum at #3. Daniels could be the guy that they want anyway. I'll save my consternation for when they drop to 5.
Given how BUF looked vs. LAC and how pissed off this team is I wouldn't rule out winning the last 2 and ending up with a pick in the 7-10 range at this point.
Funny the first part of the NE Dynasty had an us against them mentality because no one in the media believed in them, now they have an us against our fans mentality because a large contingent wants them to tank.
Funny the first part of the NE Dynasty had an us against them mentality because no one in the media believed in them, now they have an us against our fans mentality because a large contingent wants them to tank.
It's funny that people say this when the NFL is the only major sport without a draft lottery AND the one with the quickest turnaround for rosters. If you tank in another sport you might not get the pick you're hoping anyway and playing losing basketball can be infectious. In football you'd actually get the pick you "deserve" plus nearly your entire roster will turn over 3 years from now when you might be good again so anything the players learned good or bad will be off the team. There's really no penalty.
