Offseason Thread - Betty when you call me, you can call me Al

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luckiestman

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C Joel Embiid
PF Al Horford
SF Tobias Harris
SG Josh Richardson
PG Ben Simmons

Bench - Mike Scott, Kelly Olynyk (rumored to be in deal), Zhaire Smith, Jonah Bolden, Matisse Thybulle

Looks pretty damn good.

Cs will run this team off the court
 

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Thybulle and Zhaire Smith are basically both rookies, but they are two of the best defensive prospects at guard to come along over the past couple of years.
Thought about Thybulle, but he's big-ish...my concern with them is about quicker guards. Could be one of those guys is the answer, certainly some great college defense there but Thybulle was a 3 in college, not guarding point guards. The roster has amazing length---that may be sufficient, just thinking about what the deficiencies may be
 

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I am sure it was; I didn't word it correctly.
I meant are either of them better than Smart was coming out of college.
Sorry for the poor wording.
Oh, sorry, I was really confused. I think some would say yes to Thybulle, but it depends on how much you want to discount his stats due to playing in the zone. I’d say no- if Smart plays four years like Thybulle, he’d have been putting up crazy numbers too (not the blocks like MT, but still). Plus, Marcus was a much better offensive prospect than either.
 

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Oh, sorry, I was really confused. I think some would say yes to Thybulle, but it depends on how much you want to discount his stats due to playing in the zone. I’d say no- if Smart plays four years like Thybulle, he’d have been putting up crazy numbers too (not the blocks like MT, but still). Plus, Marcus was a much better offensive prospect than either.
Yeah, I knew he was the better offensive prospect. Thanks for the comparison on the defensive side.
 

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So Milwaukee and Philly both look like they’ll be better than Boston next season, with the Nets probably right around Boston’s level (and obviously better than that once KD returns, if he does so fully) and Toronto being a wild card depending on Kawhi.

Seems pretty clear at this point even with Kemba Celtics are looking at another 4-5 seed unless things go really bad at one of the aforementioned teams, no?
 

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KD & Kyrie took paycuts for Jordan per Woj:
Free agents Kevin Durant and Kyrie Irving are taking less than the max to allow DeAndre Jordan to get the $10M annual salary with Brooklyn, league sources tell ESPN.
 

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Do they know Jarrett Allen is already on the team?
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Free agents Kevin Durant and Kyrie Irving are taking less than the max to allow DeAndre Jordan to get the $10M annual salary with Brooklyn, league sources tell ESPN.
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I legit thought he'd get the room exception max.
Garrett Temple grabbed that already.

This has to be a sign and trade.

I'm stunned by this contract.

edit: wow KD and Kyrie took discounts, and Deandre was the target? OK. Dear Brooklyn, if you'd like to do a Kyrie sign and trade and include Jarrett Allen coming back, that would be great. Thanks.
 

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So Milwaukee and Philly both look like they’ll be better than Boston next season, with the Nets probably right around Boston’s level (and obviously better than that once KD returns, if he does so fully) and Toronto being a wild card depending on Kawhi.

Seems pretty clear at this point even with Kemba Celtics are looking at another 4-5 seed unless things go really bad at one of the aforementioned teams, no?
It all hinges on Brown, Tatum and GH I think. I could see just about anything from a one seed if everything works out, to an 6-8 seed if nobody improves again.
 

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So Milwaukee and Philly both look like they’ll be better than Boston next season, with the Nets probably right around Boston’s level (and obviously better than that once KD returns, if he does so fully) and Toronto being a wild card depending on Kawhi.

Seems pretty clear at this point even with Kemba Celtics are looking at another 4-5 seed unless things go really bad at one of the aforementioned teams, no?
Or one of Tatum/Brown takes a huge leap forward or one of the rookies ends up being much better than expected.
 

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So what was the point of not just renouncing Rozier and signing Kemba outright now?

What are the cap implications with no corresponding Kyrie S&T?
 

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Garrett Temple grabbed that already.

This has to be a sign and trade.

I'm stunned by this contract.

edit: wow KD and Kyrie took discounts, and Deandre was the target? OK. Dear Brooklyn, if you'd like to do a Kyrie sign and trade and include Jarrett Allen coming back, that would be great. Thanks.
Seems like this has to mean KD and Kyrie told Nets they wanted Jordan as the third, doesn't it? If he's just a tax on signing them you do it. Even if you have to lie and tell them "no, really, we want all three of you" and wait until they realize Jordan is done you still do it just to get those two on the roster.

What is Miami doing, exactly? They now have 30 year old Butler (third team in a year), Winslow, and a bunch of flotsam (sorry, Hassan) right?
 

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So what was the point of not just renouncing Rozier and signing Kemba outright now?

What are the cap implications with no corresponding Kyrie S&T?
Flexibility, costs nothing, and keeps us over the cap so if we can stay there we get the full MLE. Since Horford just signed in space it seems unlikely to make a difference, unless some team over the cap really wants to give a huge deal to Marcus Morris.
 

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Seems like this has to mean KD and Kyrie told Nets they wanted Jordan as the third, doesn't it? If he's just a tax on signing them you do it. Even if you have to lie and tell them "no, really, we want all three of you" and wait until they realize Jordan is done you still do it just to get those two on the roster.

What is Miami doing, exactly? They now have 30 year old Butler (third team in a year), Winslow, and a bunch of flotsam (sorry, Hassan) right?
Yes. I meant Kyrie and KD took less and the guy they chose to do that for was Deandre. Not that Brooklyn made that choice.

But Brooklyn please, still, y'all don't need Jarrett Allen now right?
 

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C Joel Embiid
PF Al Horford
SF Tobias Harris
SG Josh Richardson
PG Ben Simmons

Bench - Mike Scott, Kelly Olynyk (rumored to be in deal), Zhaire Smith, Jonah Bolden, Matisse Thybulle

Looks pretty damn good.
That's basically 4 power forwards starting plus Richardson. Can't run. Can barely shoot.
They will get run out of buildings.
 

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Six

Edit: Frank Jackson, J.J. Redick, Brandon Ingram, Zion Williamson, Jahlil Okafor, Trajan Langdon
They really need to relocate from their football market to Raleigh. Would do so much better ticket-wise.
 
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Sure seems to this outsider that the NBA is broken. Some players decide that some teams are just going to have to suck (and vice versa).

Baseball's better.
 

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Indiana had a very nice night. Adding Brogdon and Lamb is really going to help them a lot. I think Brogdon and Oladipo will play well together once he's healthy. They finally have enough backcourt scoring to compliment Turner and Sabonis. I think they are a better team than the Celtics.
 

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That's basically 4 power forwards starting plus Richardson. Can't run. Can barely shoot.
They will get run out of buildings.
Huh?
Embiid and Horford are decent runners for bigs, the other 3 fly for their size. They have 37/37/36 3pt shooting from 2-4. They will be just fine. They'll score and defend.
 

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Yeah, on paper they look as good as Boston did before last season.

I kid, I kid!!
 

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Sure seems to this outsider that the NBA is broken. Some players decide that some teams are just going to have to suck (and vice versa).

Baseball's better.
I know right? Almost like the league is moving more to a modern business where employees actually get to pick where they work and choose if they want to move to another company to work with friends in a better situation for them. So much better to just take away their freedoms to choose so billionaires can dictate where they live and who they can play with.
 

Ale Xander

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Huh?
Embiid and Horford are decent runners for bigs, the other 3 fly for their size. They have 37/37/36 3pt shooting from 2-4. They will be just fine. They'll score and defend.
"for" bigs
"for" their size

That's the point. They're too heavy. Playing 3 guys out of position. This is 2019, not 1989. They''d be better suited to move Harris to the bench as a 6th man, and start a quicker player.

As a Celtics fan, I'm happy they're losing Butler and Redick.
 

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I know right? Almost like the league is moving more to a modern business where employees actually get to pick where they work and choose if they want to move to another company to work with friends in a better situation for them. So much better to just take away their freedoms to choose so billionaires can dictate where they live and who they can play with.
It’s nothing like a modern business because modern business don’t have artificial salary caps and maximum contracts. Baseball, with no such (well, at least fewer) restrictions, is actually more like a modern business in that sense.
 
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