Pats QB Options

[SMU_Sox]

I don't think Jimmy G is particularly good, and worse he can't stay healthy, and as Cam has shown, if you're constantly getting hurt, eventually you don't come back the same from one of them.

This is my take as well. Watching the better teams in the playoffs and aside from maybe Goff they all had top notch QBs.

Final 8:
Tom Brady, Patrick Mahomes, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees (arguably in decline but still).
Goff and Baker Mayfield are the guys not on the list of great to elite QBs.

You can win with a game manager if and only if the cast around him is excellent. You don't have to win with an elite supporting cast if you have an elite QB. It is also easier to consistently make the playoffs with an elite QB. Jimmy G is a game manager. There is nothing inherently special about his game. A middling game manager is an upgrade over Stidham and Hoyer but unless you are getting potentially Stafford (health/back has to check out) or one of the top 3-4 QBs in the draft this year the odds of them competing for anything more than a WC spot are slim to none.

I think my position is pretty clear. I would make a sweetheart deal to ATL at 4 and draft one of Wilson, Fields, or Lance. I don't care if it costs a future 1. Having a possible top 10 kind of talent on a rookie deal is a path to success. Sure it is risky but so is every other strategy at QB.

 

[Mooch]

This is my take as well. Watching the better teams in the playoffs and aside from maybe Goff they all had top notch QBs.

Final 8:
Tom Brady, Patrick Mahomes, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees (arguably in decline but still).
Goff and Baker Mayfield are the guys not on the list of great to elite QBs.

You can win with a game manager if and only if the cast around him is excellent. You don't have to win with an elite supporting cast if you have an elite QB. It is also easier to consistently make the playoffs with an elite QB. Jimmy G is a game manager. There is nothing inherently special about his game. A middling game manager is an upgrade over Stidham and Hoyer but unless you are getting potentially Stafford (health/back has to check out) or one of the top 3-4 QBs in the draft this year the odds of them competing for anything more than a WC spot are slim to none.

I think my position is pretty clear. I would make a sweetheart deal to ATL at 4 and draft one of Wilson, Fields, or Lance. I don't care if it costs a future 1. Having a possible top 10 kind of talent on a rookie deal is a path to success. Sure it is risky but so is every other strategy at QB.

If we're going to go high risk/high reward, my choice is several top draft picks over the next few years for Watson.

 

[tims4wins]

I don’t understand the Newton and Brissett comparison. Brissett isn’t a runner.

That said, I think there is no chance they bring Brissett back. Newton I give about 5-10%.

 

[BigSoxFan]

This is my take as well. Watching the better teams in the playoffs and aside from maybe Goff they all had top notch QBs.

Final 8:
Tom Brady, Patrick Mahomes, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees (arguably in decline but still).
Goff and Baker Mayfield are the guys not on the list of great to elite QBs.

You can win with a game manager if and only if the cast around him is excellent. You don't have to win with an elite supporting cast if you have an elite QB. It is also easier to consistently make the playoffs with an elite QB. Jimmy G is a game manager. There is nothing inherently special about his game. A middling game manager is an upgrade over Stidham and Hoyer but unless you are getting potentially Stafford (health/back has to check out) or one of the top 3-4 QBs in the draft this year the odds of them competing for anything more than a WC spot are slim to none.

I think my position is pretty clear. I would make a sweetheart deal to ATL at 4 and draft one of Wilson, Fields, or Lance. I don't care if it costs a future 1. Having a possible top 10 kind of talent on a rookie deal is a path to success. Sure it is risky but so is every other strategy at QB.

Based on the draft value chart, looks like we'd have to 1800 or so points on the draft value chart. 15/46 get you to 1,490 so, yeah, I think the price is probably 15/46 and a 2022 #1. That would be a steep price for a team with so many holes but one certainly worth paying if you feel you've got your guy at #4.

 

[Over Guapo Grande]

I don’t understand the Newton and Brissett comparison. Brissett isn’t a runner.

That said, I think there is no chance they bring Brissett back. Newton I give about 5-10%.

I mean, compared to TB, Brissett was a runner.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPu8uUB-774

 

[SMU_Sox]

If we're going to go high risk/high reward, my choice is several top draft picks over the next few years for Watson.

I would also love Watson but think he is destined to go to NYJ.

That's why I believe getting that 4th pick is crucial and getting it ASAP even more-so.

I believe NYJ or MIA is going to trade to get Watson. When that happens at least 2 of the top 3 picks will be QB. At that point it will start a run on the big 3. Someone will trade up to 3 for MIA's pick because MIA should be able to get a huge haul for that pick.

I think the draft will go
1. JAX: Lawrence
2. HOU: Fields
3. CAR? DET? DEN? PHI? Wilson/Lance
4. Same as above but maybe also NEP: Wilson/Lance.

I have never advocated for trading up for a QB before. Not even last year. But this year you have 4 legit could-be-other-worldly QBs. This year they have enough draft capital to orchestrate the trade and they have enough cap room to overhaul the entire middle class of the roster as well as sign one big ticket guy. I also think they might be able to trade Gilmore to a contending team for a 2nd or possibly even late first round pick. If they did that they would have 15, 46 and whatever the other pick was as ammo. Heck, with 15, 46, and a future 1 that might be enough to get to 4 alone. In that scenario they would still have a late first or 2nd from Gilmore and their 3rd round comp pick.

You have to assume in my tradeup scenario that BB and co obviously think the QB is "the guy".

I just don't see how you BB gets this team anywhere with Jimmy G. The best case scenario with Jimmy G is he inevitably gets hurt again and the team falls to 5-11 or something bad and they don't have to give up as much capital to get that QB.

Another thing. ATL might consider Gilmore as part of that deal. Yes he needs a new deal and their cap situation isn't great but their new GM might want to make one more run with Ryan and Julio. With a bunch of picks and Gilmore that might be able to work. This is just a side note though as Gilmore doesn't have to be involved to make it work.

 

[Super Nomario]

I mean, compared to TB, Brissett was a runner.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPu8uUB-774

Fun fact: that's the longest run of Brissett's career.

 

[BigSoxFan]

I would also love Watson but think he is destined to go to NYJ.

That's why I believe getting that 4th pick is crucial and getting it ASAP even more-so.

I believe NYJ or MIA is going to trade to get Watson. When that happens at least 2 of the top 3 picks will be QB. At that point it will start a run on the big 3. Someone will trade up to 3 for MIA's pick because MIA should be able to get a huge haul for that pick.

I think the draft will go
1. JAX: Lawrence
2. HOU: Fields
3. CAR? DET? DEN? PHI? Wilson/Lance
4. Same as above but maybe also NEP: Wilson/Lance.

I have never advocated for trading up for a QB before. Not even last year. But this year you have 4 legit could-be-other-worldly QBs. This year they have enough draft capital to orchestrate the trade and they have enough cap room to overhaul the entire middle class of the roster as well as sign one big ticket guy. I also think they might be able to trade Gilmore to a contending team for a 2nd or possibly even late first round pick. If they did that they would have 15, 46 and whatever the other pick was as ammo. Heck, with 15, 46, and a future 1 that might be enough to get to 4 alone. In that scenario they would still have a late first or 2nd from Gilmore and their 3rd round comp pick.

You have to assume in my tradeup scenario that BB and co obviously think the QB is "the guy".

I just don't see how you BB gets this team anywhere with Jimmy G. The best case scenario with Jimmy G is he inevitably gets hurt again and the team falls to 5-11 or something bad and they don't have to give up as much capital to get that QB.

Another thing. ATL might consider Gilmore as part of that deal. Yes he needs a new deal and their cap situation isn't great but their new GM might want to make one more run with Ryan and Julio. With a bunch of picks and Gilmore that might be able to work. This is just a side note though as Gilmore doesn't have to be involved to make it work.

Do you think 1 year of control of a 30 year-old Gilmore gets you a 1st or 2nd round pick? I'm mentally preparing myself for a 3rd/5th type deal. But maybe I'm being too pessimistic.

 

[tims4wins]

Do you think 1 year of control of a 30 year-old Gilmore gets you a 1st or 2nd round pick? I'm mentally preparing myself for a 3rd/5th type deal. But maybe I'm being too pessimistic.

Yeah same here. I doubt they’d even get a low 2.

Edit: they really should have traded him last spring.

 

[SMU_Sox]

Based on the draft value chart, looks like we'd have to 1800 or so points on the draft value chart. 15/46 get you to 1,490 so, yeah, I think the price is probably 15/46 and a 2022 #1. That would be a steep price for a team with so many holes but one certainly worth paying if you feel you've got your guy at #4.

True but if you go by Rich Hill's chart:



15 + 46 = 443. ATL is 491. 491-443 = 48. A future 1 is the value of your current first round pick /2. A future 2nd is the value of your 2nd/2. I think a future 1 should get it done. Now you might be competing with other bids so having another 2nd would help.

 

[SMU_Sox]

Do you think 1 year of control of a 30 year-old Gilmore gets you a 1st or 2nd round pick? I'm mentally preparing myself for a 3rd/5th type deal. But maybe I'm being too pessimistic.

I am not sure. I think it should get you a late 2nd and even a 3rd/5th is better than a comp 3rd edit: in 2022. They can sign someone like William Jackson III too if they want to restock a higher tier CB.

 

[BigSoxFan]

Yeah same here. I doubt they’d even get a low 2.

Edit: they really should have traded him last spring.

That decision still kind of bothers me given the opt outs, QB/skill position, etc. situations. We obviously didn't know that JC would make a mini leap and that JMac would be trash. Would love to know what offers they got before the trade deadline.

 

[OurF'ingCity]

I would also love Watson but think he is destined to go to NYJ.

That's why I believe getting that 4th pick is crucial and getting it ASAP even more-so.

I believe NYJ or MIA is going to trade to get Watson. When that happens at least 2 of the top 3 picks will be QB. At that point it will start a run on the big 3. Someone will trade up to 3 for MIA's pick because MIA should be able to get a huge haul for that pick.

I think the draft will go
1. JAX: Lawrence
2. HOU: Fields
3. CAR? DET? DEN? PHI? Wilson/Lance
4. Same as above but maybe also NEP: Wilson/Lance.

I have never advocated for trading up for a QB before. Not even last year. But this year you have 4 legit could-be-other-worldly QBs. This year they have enough draft capital to orchestrate the trade and they have enough cap room to overhaul the entire middle class of the roster as well as sign one big ticket guy. I also think they might be able to trade Gilmore to a contending team for a 2nd or possibly even late first round pick. If they did that they would have 15, 46 and whatever the other pick was as ammo. Heck, with 15, 46, and a future 1 that might be enough to get to 4 alone. In that scenario they would still have a late first or 2nd from Gilmore and their 3rd round comp pick.

You have to assume in my tradeup scenario that BB and co obviously think the QB is "the guy".

I just don't see how you BB gets this team anywhere with Jimmy G. The best case scenario with Jimmy G is he inevitably gets hurt again and the team falls to 5-11 or something bad and they don't have to give up as much capital to get that QB.

Another thing. ATL might consider Gilmore as part of that deal. Yes he needs a new deal and their cap situation isn't great but their new GM might want to make one more run with Ryan and Julio. With a bunch of picks and Gilmore that might be able to work. This is just a side note though as Gilmore doesn't have to be involved to make it work.

I think this is where I come out too. IMO, they should first explore any realistic chances of getting Watson, but if those don't pan out and they want even a chance of being a realistic contender in the short term, they need to draft a top-4 QB. A lot depends on how BB and the team evaluate this year's crop of QBs, though - if they don't think as highly of them as SMU and others do, I assume they will punt another season and keep their powder dry for later drafts. But at some point they do need to draft or sign the next franchise QB - they will almost certainly not win another SB without one - and every year they don't feels like something of a waste of the last years of BB's coaching career.

 

[SoxinSeattle]

Bill Barnwell on ESPN+ proposes trades for the 17 teams that could/should trade for Watson. I think his Pats proposal is an absolute no brainer and the Texans would have no interest. Is this ok to post here since it's only a small piece of the article?

Patriots send: 15th overall pick and third-round compensatory selection in 2021 draft, 2022 first-round pick, 2023 second-round pick, CB J.C. Jackson, WR N'Keal Harry
Texans send: 2022 sixth-round pick, QB Deshaun Watson, TE Kahale Warring

 

[Three10toLeft]

Am I crazy for thinking Goff is somewhat palatable for the two remaining years on his deal?

From what I read it looks like it’d be about 21.5 million a year for 21 and 22. Draft a project QB that needs some time to develop this offseason or next and roll with Goff. Isn’t 20ish million a year the going rate for a top 16 quarterback at this point?

I doubt it would require much to trade for Goff since the Rams appear to have soured on him and will soon be in their own form of salary cap hell and will need to find relief anywhere they can.

 

[jsinger121]

Goff is trash

 

[Cellar-Door]

Bill Barnwell on ESPN+ proposes trades for the 17 teams that could/should trade for Watson. I think his Pats proposal is an absolute no brainer and the Texans would have no interest. Is this ok to post here since it's only a small piece of the article?

Patriots send: 15th overall pick and third-round compensatory selection in 2021 draft, 2022 first-round pick, 2023 second-round pick, CB J.C. Jackson, WR N'Keal Harry
Texans send: 2022 sixth-round pick, QB Deshaun Watson, TE Kahale Warring

That seems incredibly light. I'd do that in an instant.

Am I crazy for thinking Goff is somewhat palatable for the two remaining years on his deal?

From what I read it looks like it’d be about 21.5 million a year for 21 and 22. Draft a project QB that needs some time to develop this offseason or next and roll with Goff. Isn’t 20ish million a year the going rate for a top 16 quarterback at this point?

I doubt it would require much to trade for Goff since the Rams appear to have soured on him and will soon be in their own form of salary cap hell and will need to find relief anywhere they can.

Goff is trash

Goff is basically Jimmy G. Neither is particularly good, neither is particularly cheap, but if you have no other options and can get him for cheap he's.... ok

 

[jsinger121]

That seems incredibly light. I'd do that in an instant.



Goff is basically Jimmy G. Neither is particularly good, neither is particularly cheap, but if you have no other options and can get him for cheap he's.... ok

I'd pass on Goff and Jimmy G. They are both middling QB's who need a boatload of talent around them to be good. I want another QB that can elevate lessor talent to a higher level and to me neither are that.

 

[Cellar-Door]

View: https://twitter.com/KP_Show/status/1354628857916133376


Interesting, Vegas odds on Stafford to 49ers abruptly dropped. Might be nothing, but usually that kind of move means someone knows something.

 

[JohnnyTheBone]

Jimmy G.... COME ON DOWN!

 

[Cellar-Door]

Jimmy G.... COME ON DOWN!

One would hope not, since even healthy he's an average at best QB, and he's never healthy.

My hope is SF sends him to WAS

 

[lexrageorge]

Garoppolo makes more sense than folks here think. Belichick and McDaniels thought very highly of him, his contract is reasonable, the Pats have tons of cap space and no real reason to save any of it, and JG's contract is easily restructured after a trade. He's unlikely to be any worse than a Ryan Fitzpatrick, and certainly will not be worse than Cam, and his acquisition price will be a lot less than Stafford's.

He's not the next SB winning QB in New England, but he's a decent stopgap option until they can find one in the draft. I'd take him over Wentz any day of the week.

 

[NoXInNixon]

I'd pass on Goff and Jimmy G. They are both middling QB's who need a boatload of talent around them to be good. I want another QB that can elevate lessor talent to a higher level and to me neither are that.

That's great in a vacuum, but you also have to consider the acquisition cost. Goff and JG are mediocre at best but would cost almost nothing to get. The Patriots have lots of holes to fill and can't afford to give up multiple picks to get a top notch QB.

They're going to have to find a diamond in the rough.

 

[jsinger121]

That's great in a vacuum, but you also have to consider the acquisition cost. Goff and JG are mediocre at best but would cost almost nothing to get. The Patriots have lots of holes to fill and can't afford to give up multiple picks to get a top notch QB.

They're going to have to find a diamond in the rough.

QB is the most important position by far in the league today. If the Patriots like one of these top guys and think they will be a super star I have zero problem trading up to get one of them. They can fill the rest of the holes with cheap free agents but getting a future QB is a must in my opinion because without it they are nothing more than a middling team going forward. Just look at the playoffs this year. It was filled with hall of famers (Brady, brees, Rodgers, Wilson) and a bunch of young first round talent guys. They aren’t going to find another Brady in the 6th round again. Get a young QB in the first round on a cheap 5 year contract and build around him for the rest of the roster on higher priced guys.

 

[PedroKsBambino]

Jimmy G is pretty tough to assess--there have been some positive and some negative signs from SF, and the injury history (for a guy who needed reps badly having started out his career as a backup) complicate the analysis further. If the Pats get him that means they really liked him and his potenital and I think it's pretty tough to question that given the way he's been in and out in SF.

Goff, on the other hand, has a pretty uninterrupted track record so he is what he is to a much greater degree. I personally have little hope for him as a frontline guy (I question if he's really able to process and adjust at the level NFL playoff QBs need to), though I acknowledge on-field performance has been better by many more advanced metrics than Jimmy G.

 

[Saints Rest]

If I had to pick from the next tier of vet QB's, assuming that Rodgers, Watson, Stafford, and Prescott aren't available, I'd rank Jimmy G ahead of all (Goff, Wentz, Darnold, etc), mainly because of his knowledge of the JMcD/NEP system.

JG has had 3 injuries that have caused him to miss time:

• 2016 -- AC joint injury. Caused him to miss at least 2.5 games (who knows how many games he would have missed if TB didn't return Week 5)
• 2018 -- torn ACL in Week 3. Causes him to miss the season. But he did make it back in less than a year to play the season opener in 2019 (and the rest of the season).
• 2020 -- high ankle sprain in Week 2 causes him to miss 2.5 games. Returns to play 3.5 games before reaggravating it and being placed on injured reserve.

He seems to be one of those guys who gets injured a few times and then gets labelled as "injury-prone." I feel like that term is about as real as "clutch" -- hard to define or quantify but used indiscriminately to label random events happening to one person.

When JG has been healthy, he has played well -- not top-8 level, but maybe in that next 8, call it second quartile.

 

[BaseballJones]

JG with SF:
31 g, 596-883 (67.5%), 7,352 yds, 46 td, 26 int, 8.3 y/a, 98.1 rating, 68 sacks, 468 sack yds, 131 rush yds, 2 rush td, 17 fumbles, 22-8 record

If you reduce that down to one season, it looks like:
15 g, 298-442, 3,676 yds, 23 td, 13 int, 8.3 y/a, 98.1 rating, 34 sacks, 234 sack yds, 66 rush yds, 1 rush td, 8 fumbles, 11-4 record

So compare that to Cam with NE:
15 g, 242-368 (65.8%), 2,657 yds, 8 td, 10 int, 7.2 y/a, 82.9 rating, 31 sacks, 195 sack yds, 592 rush yds, 12 td, 6 fumbles, 7-8 record

So JG's average season with SF is basically:
515 touches, 3,508 total yards, 6.8 yds per touch, 24 td, 21 turnovers

Cam in NE:
536 touches, 3,054 total yards, 5.7 yds per touch, 20 td, 16 turnovers

 

[DJnVa]

Jimmy G.... COME ON DOWN!

Maybe he goes back to Detroit.

 

[Super Nomario]

If I had to pick from the next tier of vet QB's, assuming that Rodgers, Watson, Stafford, and Prescott aren't available, I'd rank Jimmy G ahead of all (Goff, Wentz, Darnold, etc), mainly because of his knowledge of the JMcD/NEP system.

JG has had 3 injuries that have caused him to miss time:

• 2016 -- AC joint injury. Caused him to miss at least 2.5 games (who knows how many games he would have missed if TB didn't return Week 5)
• 2018 -- torn ACL in Week 3. Causes him to miss the season. But he did make it back in less than a year to play the season opener in 2019 (and the rest of the season).
• 2020 -- high ankle sprain in Week 2 causes him to miss 2.5 games. Returns to play 3.5 games before reaggravating it and being placed on injured reserve.

He seems to be one of those guys who gets injured a few times and then gets labelled as "injury-prone." I feel like that term is about as real as "clutch" -- hard to define or quantify but used indiscriminately to label random events happening to one person.

When JG has been healthy, he has played well -- not top-8 level, but maybe in that next 8, call it second quartile.

He's only started games in 5 seasons, so the fact that he's missed more than half the available time in 3 of those is not ideal.

 

[Silverdude2167]

JG with SF:
31 g, 596-883 (67.5%), 7,352 yds, 46 td, 26 int, 8.3 y/a, 98.1 rating, 68 sacks, 468 sack yds, 131 rush yds, 2 rush td, 17 fumbles, 22-8 record

If you reduce that down to one season, it looks like:
15 g, 298-442, 3,676 yds, 23 td, 13 int, 8.3 y/a, 98.1 rating, 34 sacks, 234 sack yds, 66 rush yds, 1 rush td, 8 fumbles, 11-4 record

So compare that to Cam with NE:
15 g, 242-368 (65.8%), 2,657 yds, 8 td, 10 int, 7.2 y/a, 82.9 rating, 31 sacks, 195 sack yds, 592 rush yds, 12 td, 6 fumbles, 7-8 record

So JG's average season with SF is basically:
515 touches, 3,508 total yards, 6.8 yds per touch, 24 td, 21 turnovers

Cam in NE:
536 touches, 3,054 total yards, 5.7 yds per touch, 20 td, 16 turnovers

JG has lost 5 fumbles in his time in SF, so while his overall fumble #'s are high, that comparison seems a bit jaded to make it worse than it is.

 

[Oppo]

It’s not like he keeps injuring the same site re: injury prone. Otherwise, injuries are pretty random.

This team, as currently constructed (including #15 and cap $), doesn’t need 5k yards and 40 tds from the QB position. With the potential for a top 5 scoring defense, top special teams, Harris running behind a strong OL, and average to above average passing, this team is a legitimate contender, albeit a tier (or 2) below KC currently.

 

[Super Nomario]

JG with SF:
31 g, 596-883 (67.5%), 7,352 yds, 46 td, 26 int, 8.3 y/a, 98.1 rating, 68 sacks, 468 sack yds, 131 rush yds, 2 rush td, 17 fumbles, 22-8 record

If you reduce that down to one season, it looks like:
15 g, 298-442, 3,676 yds, 23 td, 13 int, 8.3 y/a, 98.1 rating, 34 sacks, 234 sack yds, 66 rush yds, 1 rush td, 8 fumbles, 11-4 record

So compare that to Cam with NE:
15 g, 242-368 (65.8%), 2,657 yds, 8 td, 10 int, 7.2 y/a, 82.9 rating, 31 sacks, 195 sack yds, 592 rush yds, 12 td, 6 fumbles, 7-8 record

So JG's average season with SF is basically:
515 touches, 3,508 total yards, 6.8 yds per touch, 24 td, 21 turnovers

Cam in NE:
536 touches, 3,054 total yards, 5.7 yds per touch, 20 td, 16 turnovers

Not apples to apples. Cam didn't have George Kittle and Deebo Samuel; he had one of the worst receiving corps in all of football.

In fairness to Jimmy, a fumble should probably only count as half a turnover.

 

[Mooch]

Garoppolo makes more sense than folks here think. Belichick and McDaniels thought very highly of him, his contract is reasonable, the Pats have tons of cap space and no real reason to save any of it, and JG's contract is easily restructured after a trade. He's unlikely to be any worse than a Ryan Fitzpatrick, and certainly will not be worse than Cam, and his acquisition price will be a lot less than Stafford's.

He's not the next SB winning QB in New England, but he's a decent stopgap option until they can find one in the draft. I'd take him over Wentz any day of the week.

I think Jimmy G's acquisition price will be quite low. So many teams will be up against the cap, his trade value has never been lower and the 49ers are under lots of pressure to make the deal happen before they can acquire Stafford. I wouldn't be surprised if the Pats get him for a 4th round pick at most.

 

[soxhop411]

View: https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1354805124921651200

With the news in the other thread about the pats being unusually aggressive this off-season, I wouldn’t be shocked to see the pats put in a really competitive offer for Watson.

 

[Mooch]

Maybe he goes back to Detroit.

Not unless he wants to go there -- He's got a no-trade clause for 2021.

 

[NoXInNixon]

QB is the most important position by far in the league today. If the Patriots like one of these top guys and think they will be a super star I have zero problem trading up to get one of them. They can fill the rest of the holes with cheap free agents but getting a future QB is a must in my opinion because without it they are nothing more than a middling team going forward. Just look at the playoffs this year. It was filled with hall of famers (Brady, brees, Rodgers, Wilson) and a bunch of young first round talent guys. They aren’t going to find another Brady in the 6th round again. Get a young QB in the first round on a cheap 5 year contract and build around him for the rest of the roster on higher priced guys.

Having an elite QB and no talent around him is not much better than not having an elite QB. Houston had Watson this year and won 4 games, two of which were against the Jaguars.

 

[Mooch]

With the news in the other thread about the pats being unusually aggressive this off-season, I wouldn’t be shocked to see the pats put in a really competitive offer for Watson.

I think the Pats have to sign Will Fuller as soon as free agency begins -- That might soften up Watson for a trade to New England. He loves Fuller.

 

[BigSoxFan]

With the news in the other thread about the pats being unusually aggressive this off-season, I wouldn’t be shocked to see the pats put in a really competitive offer for Watson.

They really should go all in here. Franchise QB on the market. Bidding will be steep but he immediately gets you into playoff consideration.

15
46
2022 1/2
JC Jackson

Whatever the cost is, I pay it. Use cap space to fill in as many holes as possible.

 

[RedOctober3829]

They really should go all in here. Franchise QB on the market. Bidding will be steep but he immediately gets you into playoff consideration.

15
46
2022 1/2
JC Jackson

Whatever the cost is, I pay it. Use cap space to fill in as many holes as possible.

It's going to take at least 3 #1 picks to get Watson. That's the baseline for not laughing you off the phone.

 

[BigSoxFan]

It's going to take at least 3 #1 picks to get Watson. That's the baseline for not laughing you off the phone.

Whatever the price, it'd be worth it.

 

[Mooch]

Whatever the price, it'd be worth it.

I'm wondering if it will be quite that high. Look, the whole league knows that Watson has the Texans over a barrel here. He has a no-trade clause so he can pick his spot and by at least one account, is such a principled person that he'd sit out rather than play another down for the Texans:

View: https://twitter.com/MoveTheSticks/status/1354813599378620418?s=20

 

[RedOctober3829]

Whatever the price, it'd be worth it.

Oh I totally agree. You don't have anything if you don't have a QB.

 

[BigSoxFan]

Oh I totally agree. You don't have anything if you don't have a QB.

Especially in 2021. Watson gets you a seat at the table and he elevates existing guys on the roster. Pats can clearly be outbid by their divisional rivals so I'm left hoping that Watson really, really wants to come to New England. Can't imagine Watson would be too interested in Atlanta, Washington, Carolina, Denver, etc. Feel like the leaders in the clubhouse, without knowing his thoughts on the teams, would be:

Dolphins
Jets
49ers

I think the Patriots could be competitive with the 49ers from a draft capital standpoint. The Niners obviously have the much more talented team though, which would be an issue if Watson is looking around for better landing spots.

 

[OurF'ingCity]

The problem is that there are many other teams that can offer better packages if they want - Miami and NYJ being among them.

And here's another intriguing possibility - would Jacksonville consider trading the #1 pick and maybe next year's first-rounder or something for Watson? You can kind of see how this would make sense for both sides - Jacksonville gets an established star Meyer can build/scheme around, and Houston gets a clean start with Lawrence and, if he's as good as anticipated, might not be taking as big of a step down at that position as they otherwise would.

Of course the complicating factor is Watson's no-trade clause - who knows if he has any desire to play on what is currently, at least, a very shitty Jacksonville team. If he wants to play in Florida Miami seems a clearly more favorable landing spot for him.

 

[Saints Rest]

I think Jimmy G's acquisition price will be quite low. So many teams will be up against the cap, his trade value has never been lower and the 49ers are under lots of pressure to make the deal happen before they can acquire Stafford. I wouldn't be surprised if the Pats get him for a 4th round pick at most.

This is another reason why I like JG. It then keeps #15 in play for either one of the WRs (in a deep draft), a QB (Mac Jones?), or one of the defenders who could fill any of the myriad holes on D.

 

[Beomoose]

It's going to take at least 3 #1 picks to get Watson. That's the baseline for not laughing you off the phone.

So long as Watson sets us so the 22 and 23 picks end up LATE first-rounders, that's a bargain.

 

[RedOctober3829]

Especially in 2021. Watson gets you a seat at the table and he elevates existing guys on the roster. Pats can clearly be outbid by their divisional rivals so I'm left hoping that Watson really, really wants to come to New England. Can't imagine Watson would be too interested in Atlanta, Washington, Carolina, Denver, etc. Feel like the leaders in the clubhouse, without knowing his thoughts on the teams, would be:

Dolphins
Jets
49ers

I think the Patriots could be competitive with the 49ers from a draft capital standpoint. The Niners obviously have the much more talented team though, which would be an issue if Watson is looking around for better landing spots.

The only way Watson comes to the Patriots is if he won't accept a trade to any other team. I just can't see the Patriots' current situation being appealing to him.

 

[DJnVa]

I just can't see the Patriots' current situation being appealing to him.

Is the Jets?

 

[BigSoxFan]

The only way Watson comes to the Patriots is if he won't accept a trade to any other team. I just can't see the Patriots' current situation being appealing to him.

They would need to sell a vision. Doubtful it would be effective but they do have cap space to get him some help.

“Hey, we have BB/Josh at coach, good running game/OL, and we’ll be adding additional weapons in FA. Tell us which WR1 you want and we’ll make it happen. The defense? Don’t worry about it. BB will make it work”

If Watson is open to NYJ or MIA (and interest is mutual), it’s over. Likewise with SF. They have a much more intriguing pitch with Kittle, Deebo, Aiyuk, etc.

 

[RedOctober3829]

Is the Jets?

Reports say that he likes Robert Saleh, so that's a starting point. As far as on-the-field, no the Jets' situation is not great. As would the Pats, the Jets do have a lot of cap space this year to make moves to add pieces around him even with Watson on board because his cap number is low. Basically, Watson controls the whole situation so if he likes what the Jets have and wants to go then that's that. I obviously really hope he wants to go to New England, but there's so many other better options both on and off the field for him.