Funny you said that - I immediately edited to find a more suitable source once I realized what I’d pasted. Accept my humble apologies.Should The Sun ever be treated as an authoritative source on...well, anything?
Funny you said that - I immediately edited to find a more suitable source once I realized what I’d pasted. Accept my humble apologies.Should The Sun ever be treated as an authoritative source on...well, anything?
The Manchester Evening News claim that a £100m bid has been made.
Even Zomp at troll level 10 has never sounded more like a stereotypical Manchester United fan than you did there.I assure you we fully understand that you are very, very jealous.
I can only assume that the intention of this post was to drive a spike into my soul. It was very successful.Even Zomp at troll level 10 has never sounded more like a stereotypical Manchester United fan than you did there.
Just trying to keep up …I assure you we fully understand that you are very, very jealous.
Presumably City are supposed to win the league and lose the CL and say “aw shucks” guess we have to let everyone catch up now.
Also Grealish is likely a replacement of sorts for Bernardo who supposedly has asked out. City also let David Silva walk without a direct replacement and while not 1 for 1 he’d probably become a left sided attacking option where City aren’t short but he offers something specifically different.
Why would I give up 3 European Cups for 1 more league trophy?I mean you would trade it for United’s cabinet.
All I'm saying is that it's funny watching a Man City fan doing what they used to mock United fans for (claiming everyone else is just jealous), while United fans do what they used to mock Liverpool fans for (tout their history to distract from more recent lack of success). And no, I'm not ignoring the shortcomings of Liverpool fans, either. We're all hypocritical jerks at times.Wha? Did you really just zing me with my club hasn't won the league in 8 years so we're 7 years away from looking like a club that didn't win the league for another 15 years after that?
Not your best
Love you.
You act like I didn’t watch City play Ferran Torres, Bernardo Silva, Raheem Sterling, KDB in some of the biggest matches of the season all forced to play ST or as a false 9.
Hey … no worries. Point taken.You act like I didn’t watch City play Ferran Torres, Bernardo Silva, Raheem Sterling, KDB in some of the biggest matches of the season all forced to play ST or as a false 9.
KDB has missed significant time every season and is starting this one with little break after playing a Euros match on a messed up ankle. He’s also 30. Bernardo wants out and although he had a good Euros Sterling really struggled. Those 83 goals were a good 20 short of what City have been doing recently and if Gundogan doesn’t catch fire in the winter they probably don’t win the league. Addressing the attack was the absolute imperative of this offseason
edit: and guys this is supposed to have been in jest. Guy posts “this is why City are accused of buying the league” in a summer where City have bought nobody and I tried to have some fun with it. Now we are back to posting net spend graphics.
Might be too late if ManCity is getting Grealish though.Kane trying to force his move?
My understanding is that some of last seasons sales did not hit Citys books last season due to Covid and rules so the total is higher. Either way it’s usually accounted on a rolling basis and even more so with the relaxed FFP so I think it would in the end be tight but doableCity has raised about £30m total from outgoings (Angelino, Harrison, Nmecha) so far per Transfermarkt.
My understanding is that FFP remains relaxed this summer so I have no doubt they can buy both if they want.
Kane is going to be painted as the bad guy in this situation but I think his actions are pretty understandable. He has a very longstanding relationship with Levy and it sounds like they had some kind of informal agreement that he could leave if a suitable offer arrived this summer. Obviously it is not very wise to put all your faith in a gentleman's agreement with someone like Levy. Nevertheless, I can see why he would be mad because Levy's understanding of a "suitable offer" seems completely unrealistic for an injury prone 28-year-old player in a Covid market. Maybe Levy is just posturing and relents. But if your position is that you wont entertain a sale for less than £160m then you're basically saying that the player cannot leave under any plausible circumstance.
The audience for Levy right now is City, not Kane. It's a negotiation, and Levy is going to try to squeeze City for everything he can get. Even if Levy might ultimately accept something around 100m, he's certainly going to find out first if City are willing to pay more. 100m/160m were something like opening offers from both sides. Levy won't get City to 160m, but will City go to 125m? This is the only way to find out.City has raised about £30m total from outgoings (Angelino, Harrison, Nmecha) so far per Transfermarkt.
My understanding is that FFP remains relaxed this summer so I have no doubt they can buy both if they want.
Kane is going to be painted as the bad guy in this situation but I think his actions are pretty understandable. He has a very longstanding relationship with Levy and it sounds like they had some kind of informal agreement that he could leave if a suitable offer arrived this summer. Obviously it is not very wise to put all your faith in a gentleman's agreement with someone like Levy. Nevertheless, I can see why he would be mad because Levy's understanding of a "suitable offer" seems completely unrealistic for an injury prone 28-year-old player in a Covid market. Maybe Levy is just posturing and relents. But if your position is that you wont entertain a sale for less than £160m then you're basically saying that the player cannot leave under any plausible circumstance.
I can certainly buy the idea that Levy is trying to negotiate the fee and his public stance is part of a negotiation strategy. The question is whether he is willing to go down to something reasonable like in the 120m range in the end and I think that question remains open. There are definitely past examples where he set unrealistic prices on players and just didn't seem to budge.The audience for Levy right now is City, not Kane. It's a negotiation, and Levy is going to try to squeeze City for everything he can get. Even if Levy might ultimately accept something around 100m, he's certainly going to find out first if City are willing to pay more. 100m/160m were something like opening offers from both sides. Levy won't get City to 160m, but will City go to 125m? This is the only way to find out.
I would also claim this is example No. 1 of why you need at least professional representation. We're now at a point in this process that the media and fans are actually siding with Levy! And Levy kinda sucks. Kane looks an absolute fool right now.The audience for Levy right now is City, not Kane. It's a negotiation, and Levy is going to try to squeeze City for everything he can get. Even if Levy might ultimately accept something around 100m, he's certainly going to find out first if City are willing to pay more. 100m/160m were something like opening offers from both sides. Levy won't get City to 160m, but will City go to 125m? This is the only way to find out.
I don't disagree with you (other than that 150 is an overvalue). Levy has the multiple golden boot winning homegrown England Captain on a 3 year deal with no out clauses. He's going to look for that sort of deal to an English side.I’m sure City would do something like 90 + Laporte but there’s the little matter of Laporte probably not wanting to go to Spurs. In your scenario, if you’re valuing Kane at 150 which is way too high imo, then you’re putting a 30m valuation on Laporte. City would be better off selling Laporte at full value elsewhere and paying full Kane fee.
It is definitely going poorly for Kane in terms of public sentiment, at least from what I can see from the press and a few (non-Spurs) forums.I would also claim this is example No. 1 of why you need at least professional representation. We're now at a point in this process that the media and fans are actually siding with Levy! And Levy kinda sucks. Kane looks an absolute fool right now.
Jack Grealish is making Kane look like an absolute child instead of captain of England. I have watched a lot of the english press on this and this is going poorly for Kane, he's been ill advised.
I predict he comes back to Spurs quickly for training. I watched Levy tell Modric to screw off about going to Chelsea and just kept him an entire year before selling to Real. Kane has no out clause and 3 years left. Man City is going to have to pay 150 I think (or something like 120+LaPorte).
Honest question. What do you think this "gentelman's agreement" consisted of? Do you think Levy told Kane he'd just sell him for whatever? And what was Kane's leverage being on a 4 year contract with no out clauses?I'm also team Kane. As much as I don't want him to go to City, if there truly was an agreement with Levy that he could stick it out one more year than go to another club, then he should be able to be let go. If City pays over 120 mil for him that's an unbelievable price for a 28 year old with a lot of miles on him. I don't think he's going to age as poorly as Rooney did but I don't think he's Cristiano either.
I also don't think Kane would have wanted to go if Mourinho was still there. He was the one player who seemed to really enjoy playing for Jose.
Also, at this point, CIty and Spurs aren't exactly competing for the same things.
Right, and for the most part I agree. I also think Spurs probably should take 130 and rebuild. I just don't think they will.Well it’s clearly not working for him. I didn’t think he had it in him to hold out of training at all, he’s always been Harry Hotspur and didn’t think he’d be willing to damage his reputation like this. Spurs undoubtedly hold most of the cards here, of course, but it is a pretty shitty thing to do to a player who truly did his best to commit to the project. When Kane signed that deal Spurs were on the ascendancy. An awful lot has gone wrong since and Kane has shown a lot of loyalty throughout. 28 is old for a striker and while there will always be a market for him as England’s talisman it may very quickly drop. There’s no way Kane is still at the top of his game when Spurs have finished rebuilding this squad and Spurs may never get there. That doesn’t mean Spurs should capitulate and give up but cashing in on Kane while he has maximum value and one of the biggest players in the market has a gaping hole at striker is the pathway to funding a rebuild.
In a way it reminds me of the Messi saga last summer. Barca were able to hold onto him and now look like they will sign him again. But given where Barca were in terms of squad and it’s ability to compete they were absolutely mad not to have taken 100 million for Messigiven the state of the club financially. Now it’s Messi and he may be so large a commercial draw that it was still somehow the right move for Barca but these sales at the right time and help to accelerate a rebuild. Of course there’s a ton of risk in the approach but you look at what Liverpool did with the Coutinho sale and that’s the model for Spurs. It can be a disastrous failure but deploying the money correctly can be a foundation builder for years to come.
Probably the logic failure here is that I’m not convinced Spurs think they’re in or facing a rebuild. There seems to be a temptation to attribute some of the recent underperformance as all managerial related and that bringing back Kane and getting players like Dele back on track can result in again challenging for CL titles. If that’s your mindset you can see why Levy may want to keep Kane to resecure top 4 and push on while Kane’s window is still open. The problem is that Kane seems convinced the window is closing
I don’t know, but I could see a situation where Kane told Levy that he wants to explore moving on and Levy said “you can’t go this summer. But see where we’re at next summer and if you still want to go, you can.” The same situation happened with Ronaldo in 2009 or 10. He told Ferguson he wanted to go. Ferguson said give me one more season, so he did. And at the end he was sold for a world record fee.Honest question. What do you think this "gentelman's agreement" consisted of? Do you think Levy told Kane he'd just sell him for whatever? And what was Kane's leverage being on a 4 year contract with no out clauses?
Again, I love Harry Kane, but I don't see how this is working for him.
I think his brother is not optimal but fine. Theres nothing Mino would be doing differently here if Levy didn’t want to sell. This is how players engineer exits, unfortunately, and I think it’s better if clubs don’t get into these messes in the first place.Right, and for the most part I agree. I also think Spurs probably should take 130 and rebuild. I just don't think they will.
Even looking at the Bale situation, despite how those 7 players are mocked a bit, Eriksen was instrumental in bringing Spurs to the top 4 consistently and Lamela and even Chadli played a role. So, spent wisely, it makes a ton of sense.
I guess my big point just remains the same: Don't make your idiot brother your agent. Kane represented by any professional agent wouldn't be in this current situation. He'd either already be at City or he'd be looking like a tragic hero while Levy negotiates. Instead, he has no out clauses, no cards to play.
Does Kane have a lot of miles on him? By the time he made it to the regular first team with Spurs, he was relatively old for a prospect. According to transfer market, he’s played 31,000 minutes while Lukaku, who is two months older, has played 39,000 minutes.I'm also team Kane. As much as I don't want him to go to City, if there truly was an agreement with Levy that he could stick it out one more year than go to another club, then he should be able to be let go. If City pays over 120 mil for him that's an unbelievable price for a 28 year old with a lot of miles on him. I don't think he's going to age as poorly as Rooney did but I don't think he's Cristiano either.
I also don't think Kane would have wanted to go if Mourinho was still there. He was the one player who seemed to really enjoy playing for Jose.
Also, at this point, CIty and Spurs aren't exactly competing for the same things.
Knowing how Levy operates, he may have said exactly that. But the next few words would have been "assuming we get a fair fee for you."I don’t know, but I could see a situation where Kane told Levy that he wants to explore moving on and Levy said “you can’t go this summer. But see where we’re at next summer and if you still want to go, you can.”
Excellent post.Well it’s clearly not working for him. I didn’t think he had it in him to hold out of training at all, he’s always been Harry Hotspur and didn’t think he’d be willing to damage his reputation like this. Spurs undoubtedly hold most of the cards here, of course, but it is a pretty shitty thing to do to a player who truly did his best to commit to the project. When Kane signed that deal Spurs were on the ascendancy. An awful lot has gone wrong since and Kane has shown a lot of loyalty throughout. 28 is old for a striker and while there will always be a market for him as England’s talisman it may very quickly drop. There’s no way Kane is still at the top of his game when Spurs have finished rebuilding this squad and Spurs may never get there. That doesn’t mean Spurs should capitulate and give up but cashing in on Kane while he has maximum value and one of the biggest players in the market has a gaping hole at striker is the pathway to funding a rebuild.
In a way it reminds me of the Messi saga last summer. Barca were able to hold onto him and now look like they will sign him again. But given where Barca were in terms of squad and it’s ability to compete they were absolutely mad not to have taken 100 million for Messigiven the state of the club financially. Now it’s Messi and he may be so large a commercial draw that it was still somehow the right move for Barca but these sales at the right time and help to accelerate a rebuild. Of course there’s a ton of risk in the approach but you look at what Liverpool did with the Coutinho sale and that’s the model for Spurs. It can be a disastrous failure but deploying the money correctly can be a foundation builder for years to come.
Probably the logic failure here is that I’m not convinced Spurs think they’re in or facing a rebuild. There seems to be a temptation to attribute some of the recent underperformance as all managerial related and that bringing back Kane and getting players like Dele back on track can result in again challenging for CL titles. If that’s your mindset you can see why Levy may want to keep Kane to resecure top 4 and push on while Kane’s window is still open. The problem is that Kane seems convinced the window is closing
His brother shouldn't have had him sign a 6 year deal with no clauses like "two years without CL league football and a 80m buyout clause is activated". "After year 2 if Spurs aren't in at least the Europa league, 90m buyout clause activates". Something like that for a player of Kane's quality and stature for a six year contract should be borderline standard.I think his brother is not optimal but fine. Theres nothing Mino would be doing differently here if Levy didn’t want to sell. This is how players engineer exits, unfortunately, and I think it’s better if clubs don’t get into these messes in the first place.
Maybe the one difference is the entire approach. City have a very specific way of operating — they tolerate almost 0 multi party negotiations. I think this is why they swiftly moved on from Halaand. City asks the player to commit to a move to City and only City and as a result they’ll pay a certain fee so the player doesn’t end up stranded. Usually this works but it has failed on several occasions and maybe different representation would have kept more options open which may have led to an easier exit because Levy could extract a better deal