Pierce and KG reunited

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PP has contributed a bunch of pieces to the site, and they are all great. I really enjoyed the one about the hardest players to guard in the league. Lebron and Kobe are obvious ones, but the Carmelo and T-Mac write-ups were really interesting.
 

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I dont even know if this is the place for this...

But I am 32. Pierce was the first Celtic great i got to see from draft to rerirement. He epitomized how I felt as a die hard Cs fan during the lean years. Always had a chip on his shoulder. Never quite got the respect early in his career despite carrying sad sack teams to the playoffs and putting up great numbers while doing so. When they won the title in 08 and he got Finals MVP i literally cried I was so happy for him. Hes an elite all time talent who never really got the love nationally, a tremendously tough player yet often mocked bc of the wheelchair incident, and his maturation process basically mirrored my own as a young man finding his own way.

Hes not the best Celtic of all time. But hes in the top 5 discussion, and likely the only one ill get to see from start to finish.
 

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Their candidness was refreshing in a day and age when most people would avoid saying anything. Its a shame about Ray. I wonder if they will ever mend fences.
 

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Love how big baby was saying if he wants to get into the league again he's going to have to get in real shape, 'you know for the first time go all the way'. Yep, sounds like a great idea.
 

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I stand by my comment from earlier in this thread. So fucking petty.
What, the Ray Allen thing? There was an ESPN article about it today, they explain how that team felt like more than just a team, it was a family, and the way Ray went about his departure, not telling anyone, not discussing it, felt like a breach of their friendships with each other - so they feel like they're owed an apology, not for leaving but for the way he did it, before they really accept him back as their friend.
 

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so they feel like they're owed an apology, not for leaving but for the way he did it, before they really accept him back as their friend.
Yea, this. Maybe Ray Allen doesn't give two fucks about their friendship. In fact, that seems pretty obvious at this point. It's been 10 years guys. Time to move on.
 

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What, the Ray Allen thing? There was an ESPN article about it today, they explain how that team felt like more than just a team, it was a family, and the way Ray went about his departure, not telling anyone, not discussing it, felt like a breach of their friendships with each other - so they feel like they're owed an apology, not for leaving but for the way he did it, before they really accept him back as their friend.
When was Ray Allen ever their friend? The turmoil existed pretty much from the get go. From my recollection you had the veterans in one corner, Rondo/Perk/TA and the other youngs in the other, and Ray Allen off on his own once the game or practice ended.
 

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Yea, this. Maybe Ray Allen doesn't give two fucks about their friendship. In fact, that seems pretty obvious at this point. It's been 10 years guys. Time to move on.
If he doesn't care then why would he care about being on Area 21? Who should care at all? They're obviously all still close and KG has his buddies on that show. That's the whole point of the show. It wasn't an official reunion or anything. I think it would have been weird with Ray there if they don't get along.

The not getting invited to the reunion vacation thing is a little more strange since that seemed to be everyone but him. But that was Rondo planning it and he's not really a people person and him and Ray didn't seem to get along when they were both here.
 

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I stand by my comment from earlier in this thread. So fucking petty.
Agree completely. It's not ridiculous to feel hurt that he left or that it was done too abruptly for their liking. But Ray had a right to feel the way he did (note: he was shooting a career-high 45.3 percent from three on 5.1 attempts per game that last season. Who can blame an all-time great for thinking he deserves to retain starter minutes?). At this point he's being ganged up on and it's not on him to apologize, as Perk and others say. You'd hope five guys together could manage to be the bigger man here.
 

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Agree completely. It's not ridiculous to feel hurt that he left or that it was done too abruptly for their liking. But Ray had a right to feel the way he did (note: he was shooting a career-high 45.3 percent from three on 5.1 attempts per game that last season. Who can blame an all-time great for thinking he deserves to retain starter minutes?). At this point he's being ganged up on and it's not on him to apologize, as Perk and others say. You'd hope five guys together could manage to be the bigger man here.
5 others feel betrayed at the WAY he did it... The guys that were actually in the room with him. That's a fact - they've said so repeatedly. Edit: Pierce said it was like coming home to an empty house, with the kids gone and no note. The issue to them seems clearly the manner not the why.

He has two choices: a) value their friendship and make an effort to repair the damage or b) don't and move on.

My opinion on the matter does not matter to those involved... but clearly Allen knows the score and doesn't feel the need to act - and also knows about this reunion and hasn't acted. So all the parties appear ok with the current status... Why are we making opinions on a situation where all involved seem OK with it as is?

Edit: says the guy who has commented twice now on the topic :/ lol
 
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Multi-millionaires have their feelings hurt then air it out Real Housewives style. Thanks for the memories boys but I have zero interest in this (except for a morbid curiosity in how Big Baby looks).
 

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Multi-millionaires have their feelings hurt then air it out Real Housewives style. Thanks for the memories boys but I have zero interest in this (except for a morbid curiosity in how Big Baby looks).
Davis' had serious issue with the Clippers and their medical team/Rivers. I don't even know if I've mentioned it here or only on CelticsNuts but i'm friendly (not friends, just friendly) with his father-in-law, who hates Glen since he was caught on video trying to get a hotel room with another woman a few years ago but I digress.......

Baby reinjured his ankle in the playoffs last year in the final year of his contract and x-ray/mri (not sure which) and was told he was fine. They shot him up for Game 6 (or Game 7 I forgot) then following the season he didn't feel right, went to see his own guy and found that the ankle required surgical ligament repair along with bone spurs being removed and something else......then had another surgery a few months later knocking him out for this entire past season. Father in law said (paraphrasing), "Glen hates Doc and hates the Clippers right now. Ah, he just needs the year to get healthy then he'll get in someone's camp." Naturally I made a comment about Baby's dietary habits during his year off which didn't receive as much as a smirk in return (awkward moment). Judging from the pic looks like he isn't about to be playing again in the NBA anytime soon.

So there is the real reason for the awkwardness of that situation.
 

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Multi-millionaires have their feelings hurt then air it out Real Housewives style. Thanks for the memories boys but I have zero interest in this (except for a morbid curiosity in how Big Baby looks).
That team was fun as shit to follow. They were as tight-knit as the 2004 Red Sox. Anyone who was a Celtics fan fell in love with the 2007-2011 team, and plenty of people on the periphery of fandom became real fans as a result of that group (including me). They weren't just a group of colleagues coming to work together, they were more like a military platoon on a long campaign. Their struggles mattered to those who liked watching them. Their ultimate success, not to mention the way it happened (the game 7s, the Finals Game 4 comeback, and beating the Lakers) felt hugely validating. The NBA still samples footage from that team for their ads. They mattered.

You don't think fans who got emotionally invested can care about how that small group of extraordinary people had a falling-out? That the story of how it wasn't happily-ever-after is banal, useless trivia to those fans? That their incomes play any role in it at all? I find this dismissive bit by you kinda bizarre, especially given where you're posting it.
 

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That team was fun as shit to follow. They were as tight-knit as the 2004 Red Sox. Anyone who was a Celtics fan fell in love with the 2007-2011 team, and plenty of people on the periphery of fandom became real fans as a result of that group (including me). They weren't just a group of colleagues coming to work together, they were more like a military platoon on a long campaign. Their struggles mattered to those who liked watching them. Their ultimate success, not to mention the way it happened (the game 7s, the Finals Game 4 comeback, and beating the Lakers) felt hugely validating. The NBA still samples footage from that team for their ads. They mattered.

You don't think fans who got emotionally invested can care about how that small group of extraordinary people had a falling-out? That the story of how it wasn't happily-ever-after is banal, useless trivia to those fans? That their incomes play any role in it at all? I find this dismissive bit by you kinda bizarre, especially given where you're posting it.
Not to sidebar this too much but, non NFL, I wonder how often this occurs. I know it'd be an extra expense but I would always keep my private non-team doctor if I was an athlete. Especially the marginal/bench guys because the team definitely cares a lot less long term about their health.
 

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However you view the decision to keep Allen on the outside due to the manner with which he went to the Heat and, for some of them at least, the fact that he joined their biggest rival, I think the fact that millionaires are acting very counter to how virtually all professional athletes seem to act is fascinating.

We're in an era when players often change teams due to free agency, groups of players effectively build there own teams or assist GMs in that endeavor and guys like David Ortiz hug it out with seemingly every guy on the opposing team before and sometimes after the game. To see these guys get so butthurt at Allen's actions shows that they really took it personally.

I loved rooting for Allen as a Celtic, despise LeBron and Wade and was really pissed that he chose to join my most hated basketball team. But I'm a fan and my reaction, while maybe not the reaction of all fans, particularly more even keeled ones, is not all that unusual. What we've seen with the 2008 Cs is an outlier, and I'm enjoying it, and enjoyed Allen's FB barb back at Rondo and effectively the rest of them.

Edited to clarify
 
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Multi-millionaires have their feelings hurt then air it out Real Housewives style. Thanks for the memories boys but I have zero interest in this (except for a morbid curiosity in how Big Baby looks).
You're missing out, the Ray stuff is one segment the rest of them are telling stories and discussing the current NBA landscape
 

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Davis' had serious issue with the Clippers and their medical team/Rivers. I don't even know if I've mentioned it here or only on CelticsNuts but i'm friendly (not friends, just friendly) with his father-in-law, who hates Glen since he was caught on video trying to get a hotel room with another woman a few years ago but I digress.......

Baby reinjured his ankle in the playoffs last year in the final year of his contract and x-ray/mri (not sure which) and was told he was fine. They shot him up for Game 6 (or Game 7 I forgot) then following the season he didn't feel right, went to see his own guy and found that the ankle required surgical ligament repair along with bone spurs being removed and something else......then had another surgery a few months later knocking him out for this entire past season. Father in law said (paraphrasing), "Glen hates Doc and hates the Clippers right now. Ah, he just needs the year to get healthy then he'll get in someone's camp." Naturally I made a comment about Baby's dietary habits during his year off which didn't receive as much as a smirk in return (awkward moment). Judging from the pic looks like he isn't about to be playing again in the NBA anytime soon.

So there is the real reason for the awkwardness of that situation.
Baby made a few public comments about Rivers not being a great coach and being extremely lucky to coach PP, KG and RA a few months ago. I didn't know the backstory about his injury. Rivers commented about it briefly in this video at about 1:40:
 

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This. Just fascinating for fans of the Celtics, that squad in particular or the NBA in general.
Yup. My best friend and I had season tickets for the entire run of that team. Always thought a lot of stories, insights, and comments would come out that wouldn't have if they were all still in the league. I think some of that is here in Area21 segments and we'll see a bit more down the line.

It's also pure nostalgia. Powerful memories. I was a working stiff (rookie at the firm) those years and this was one of my only outlets. Made almost every game that year and will always remember Game 6 of the NBA Finals, though I don't remember much once the game was over.