Phew. LaFell was nice to have, but with a few receivers already protected he was very expendable. Was more worried about losing Bushrod, Sanford, or Henderson. Nice to finally know!
RealFantasy Draft - DRAFTING NOW, CLOCK STARTS MONDAY
- Thread starter Morgan's Magic Snowplow
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Looks like those who kept a specialist made a mistake.
Though I'll admit I was sweating for most of that draft the Hekker would get taken. He was a beast last year and I really didn't want to replace him with some JAG or rookie.
Though I'll admit I was sweating for most of that draft the Hekker would get taken. He was a beast last year and I really didn't want to replace him with some JAG or rookie.
DaughtersofDougMirabelli said:
Yup. Nomario was right. Somewhat like you, I got caught up in thinking, "How am I going to replace Tucker if someone grabs him?" In hindsight I would have liked to keep Armstead but that makes him no different than most of the guys I left unprotected. I had myself convinced that one of Kendricks/Ayers and Marvin Jones were going to be stolen from me. I figured with all the WR's in the draft I could replace Jones and I'm pretty deep at LB so it wouldn't sting that much. I got a couple of edge rushers which is nice because they're not easy to come by, but by no means are either of them sure things. I'd rather have the devil I know...
I have an idea for a supplemental-like stealing round, but I'll wait for the proper forum to discuss it.
Edit: Or should we just use the pinned thread to begin?
Edit2: Or if we'd rather focus on the actual draft and hold everything off, I'm cool with that too.
Hey guys -- I'll be travelling from Seoul back to the States and will be out all weekend and most of next week.
Would folks mind if I post the 1st pick of the rookie/F.A. draft now?
Would folks mind if I post the 1st pick of the rookie/F.A. draft now?
Phragle has been bugging me about this incessantly.SeoulSoxFan said:
If you want to pick, go ahead. But there is no clock and people should feel no pressure to pick before the actual NFL draft is complete.
Eck'sSneakyCheese said:
SMU_Sox said:
Morgan's Magic Snowplow said:
Thanks fellas! Yeah, as I told phragle I'll be flying from Seoul to NYC, NYC to Boston, drive to NH, pick up our dog, then drive down from Boston to Austin. I'll be checking emails during road stops so I'd be following all y'all picks.
I'll start writing up up my pick and post.
What? Steelers with the #1 pick of the draft? Well, if luck is a lady, this one's a looker.
Speaking of, do any of you remember the 80's SF flick "Looker"? A forgotten gem, starring Susan Dey and directed by Michael Crichton. It also featured the former NFL player Tim Rossovich as one of the villains:
Notice something about Tim? Looks a bit familiar, you say. Yeah, he's the father of "Slider", Rick Rossovich:
Which brings us back full circle to our "Top" pick. Steelers are picking the first player of the 2014 rookie/F.A. draft who plays the same position as Slider's father:
LB Khalil Mack
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9-RznymSW4[/youtube]
It's all about fit and finish.
Our Steelers run a hybrid 3-4, with a DL anchored by Akiem Hicks and flanked by Derek Wolfe and Roy Miller. Obviously, we need to improve this part of the roster. However, the linebacking crew just may now be the best in the league with the addition of the Buffalo standout:
It's the combination of his sack projection as well as his pass defense (PD) rate that's so exciting. SN has mentioned the PD rate could be an outlier. While it may be true, Mack's length, outstanding combine numbers, and scouting reports on his instincts and intelligence make it a good bet that he'll be no less than an above-average coverage backer. Speaking of scouts, some samples:
Lastly, having a number 1 pick is more than numbers and film. It's also about safety and insurance. Steelers are looking for someone to grow into a leadership role, and needless to say, we like Mack's ideal set of intangibles:
Speaking of, do any of you remember the 80's SF flick "Looker"? A forgotten gem, starring Susan Dey and directed by Michael Crichton. It also featured the former NFL player Tim Rossovich as one of the villains:
Notice something about Tim? Looks a bit familiar, you say. Yeah, he's the father of "Slider", Rick Rossovich:
Which brings us back full circle to our "Top" pick. Steelers are picking the first player of the 2014 rookie/F.A. draft who plays the same position as Slider's father:
LB Khalil Mack
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9-RznymSW4[/youtube]
I guess I can rhyme Mack with Towney if my last name was Mathers, but seriously, why bypass the consensus best player of this year's draft, a "generational" talent in Clowney?Eck'sSneakyCheese said:
It's all about fit and finish.
Our Steelers run a hybrid 3-4, with a DL anchored by Akiem Hicks and flanked by Derek Wolfe and Roy Miller. Obviously, we need to improve this part of the roster. However, the linebacking crew just may now be the best in the league with the addition of the Buffalo standout:
- OLB Justin Houston (#1 ranked 3-4 OLB; +32.8 PFF; 11 sacks, 42 hurries)
- ILB Dannell Ellerbe (overall a terrible year, but expecting a bounce back)
- ILB Vontaze Burfict (#4 ranked 4-3 OLB, playing a bit out of position but 120 tackles & +11.8 coverage rating makes it up)
- OLB Khalil Mack
It's the combination of his sack projection as well as his pass defense (PD) rate that's so exciting. SN has mentioned the PD rate could be an outlier. While it may be true, Mack's length, outstanding combine numbers, and scouting reports on his instincts and intelligence make it a good bet that he'll be no less than an above-average coverage backer. Speaking of scouts, some samples:
- "Disruptive first-step quickness... tracks down ball carriers from behind... produced despite facing multiple blockers" - Nolan Nawrocki
- "Uses length well to engage, swim, and swat... powerful wrists and hands, using arms to jolt and lock out... won't stay tied up for long" - CBSSports.com
- "Runs a tight loop and shows very good torso flexibility... a lot of power in short area" - Scouts Inc.
- "Lacks ideal range, but uses long arms to disrupt passes and create turnovers" - Walter Football
Unlike Clowney, who will most likely be less effective on the Steelers (a 3-4 DE in most formations other than a 3-wide situational plays), Mack is going to be in a situation that's tailor-made for his strengths.
Lastly, having a number 1 pick is more than numbers and film. It's also about safety and insurance. Steelers are looking for someone to grow into a leadership role, and needless to say, we like Mack's ideal set of intangibles:
- 4-year starter
- Hard worker
- Consistent motor
- Wants to be better
Fantastic write up SSF. I was half kidding with my comment. Mack is a great talent and a great fit for your squad.
Nice pick SSF. Definitely not what I was expecting, but Mack is going to be a stud. You can build a defense around a guy like that and, added to J. Houston, gives you two nasty pass rushers to bring off the edge. AFC North teams better make sure their O-lines are in good shape to account for the pressure you guys can bring.
I'm interested in seeing what happens here if the QBs slip in the real-life draft. Three of the next four RFP squads don't have a QB on their rosters, and five of the next seven are at least unsettled at the position. Will one of the RFP teams pull the trigger on Teddy Bridgewater in the top 10 picks if he slips to the second round in real life?
I'd like to thank SSF for not taking the generational talent and instead taking the low-floor, low-ceiling small school guy. There's a lower chance that Mack flames out but a much lower chance he becomes a hall of famer.
When assessing the effectiveness of a division rival's pick, it's always good to see the less talented guy picked.
When assessing the effectiveness of a division rival's pick, it's always good to see the less talented guy picked.
It wasn't who I was expecting, but I still don't feel guilty about taking Galette from you.SeoulSoxFan said:
Super Nomario said:
I'm interested in how quickly those of us with "settled" QB situations choose to add a backup while keeping a team without a QB picking after us from getting the most important piece.
Yep, that's mind games. Effective, evil mind games. Brady grooming a backup wouldn't be great use of resources but if it keeps me from having to play the guy in the division...is it worth it? Maybe...just maybe.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6MlHxAzLXA
Considering our team has two top ten LTs and one plays RT on our squad we can deal with SHE'S pass rush. Clowney otoh at DT/DE would have been rough even with our guard situation. As for Mack vs Clowney I think you are underestimating Mack... A lot. But we'll see, right?
mascho said:
Says Mascho about Manziel because Flacco sucks.
soxfan121 said:
You won't be picking Monday. Not this Monday at least.
SMU_Sox said:
Maybe your tackles can but your QB can't.
Like picking Russell Wilson as the 6th pick? Or taking Tyron Smith as a starting LT?soxfan121 said:
I AM taking the generational talent who can provide year-in, year-out PB level production who is a much better fit, rather than someone who will be the best player in the league for 2-3 incredible years who'll decide to take a few years off after the millions.
Not a 1-to-1 comparison, but Patrick Willis vs. Haynesworth type just in terms of production.
P.S. If I am running a 4-3 team, Clowney takes the cake 9 outta 10.
SMU_Sox said:
Ok. I agree. Don't quit your day job anytime soon though
I like the fact this already existed.
Well, I'm pretty much locked into getting a QB with the #2 pick of the draft since I don't have one on my roster at the moment. My considerations are Bortles, Bridgewater and Manziel. The pros and cons of each:
Blake Bortles:
Pros - Great size for a QB, can move in the pocket, keeps plays alive, athletic and a strong arm
Cons - Ran a pretty simple offense in college, can he handle a pro style offfense?, not consistent in his delivery, makes a lot of throws off of back foot
Teddy Bridgewater:
Pros - Hard worker, mechanically solid, toughness on the level of Byron Leftwich, poised and smart
Cons - Not built very strongly, doesn't have a cannon arm, not very athletic
Johnny Manziel:
Pros - Big hands, runs really well and is a weapon on the ground, good vision, toughness
Cons - Neither tall nor physically strong, frequently takes off and runs before reviewing all of his progressions, not terribly accurate, off field issues
It's a really tough decision, they all have the potential to be stars in this league. It's the rare team that can win a Super Bowl without a strong presence at QB. My team has a gaping hole at the position, given Mike Vick was stolen from me and I cut Matt Flynn.
In the end, I'm blowing them all off and taking Jadaveon Clowney, DE, South Carolina. I'm not crazy, I just can't pass up a once-in-a-lifetime pass rushing lineman.
If SSF had taken Clowney, I would have had a tough decision between the 3 top QBs. But instead, I opted for this.
http://youtu.be/gC44nP7ClxM
Blake Bortles:
Pros - Great size for a QB, can move in the pocket, keeps plays alive, athletic and a strong arm
Cons - Ran a pretty simple offense in college, can he handle a pro style offfense?, not consistent in his delivery, makes a lot of throws off of back foot
Teddy Bridgewater:
Pros - Hard worker, mechanically solid, toughness on the level of Byron Leftwich, poised and smart
Cons - Not built very strongly, doesn't have a cannon arm, not very athletic
Johnny Manziel:
Pros - Big hands, runs really well and is a weapon on the ground, good vision, toughness
Cons - Neither tall nor physically strong, frequently takes off and runs before reviewing all of his progressions, not terribly accurate, off field issues
It's a really tough decision, they all have the potential to be stars in this league. It's the rare team that can win a Super Bowl without a strong presence at QB. My team has a gaping hole at the position, given Mike Vick was stolen from me and I cut Matt Flynn.
In the end, I'm blowing them all off and taking Jadaveon Clowney, DE, South Carolina. I'm not crazy, I just can't pass up a once-in-a-lifetime pass rushing lineman.
If SSF had taken Clowney, I would have had a tough decision between the 3 top QBs. But instead, I opted for this.
http://youtu.be/gC44nP7ClxM
phragle said:
You are of course, correct. Only teams with crappy QBs are picking on Monday. Good luck on Monday.
Scoops Bolling said:
I like the fact this already existed.
I'm gonna send this to SMU every Monday morning starting in late August.
soxfan121 said:
Thats fine with me, I am waiting too. Cannot figure out for the life of me the downside of knowing what NFL team my draft picks will play on....
bsj said:
Yeah there's no way I'm making a pick until I see the draft board. Just more information at that point.
But keep the picks on coming!
phragle said:
True. But the idea of a front four of Hardy/Fairley/Richardson/Clowney had me giddy.
soxfan121 said:
Goor Lord, you know my email (I think). PM's give me 2 notices on my phone. Emails = 1. Just spam mail me everyday. But if I send you pictures of my hemorrhoids in response don't be mad. And man are they bad lately. Oh, 121, you are going to be in for a treat!
Kidding aside...
I actually like Dano's pick. You wouldn't have won with a QB anyway this year and have a chance to retain a once in a generation defensive stud. You can always draft a QB later this year and probably early next year.
I think there are a few teams who would be willing to move up if it was possible.Eck'sSneakyCheese said:
I'm not expecting many more picks until the first round wraps up tonight (at least). Once a few of the QB's come off the board, I'm sure others will bite.
I'll tell ya what though. I need a QB and I would take 3 or 4 others players over any of them right now. Just too many question marks with all of these QBs compared to guys I view as more of a sure thing. TBW appears to be dropping like a rock, Manziel is either the next great thing or will be a complete bust, depending on who you ask. Bortles seems to have all of the physical traits you look for, but came out of nowhere. Then you get to the Carr/Garoppolo/McCarron/Savage group and they all have their warts.
ElcaballitoMVP said:
For QB needy teams, I think it helps a lot that you get to see where guys end up in the NFL and whether they'll get an opportunity to start. With the 1st rounders you can basically just assume that's the case, but with the latter guys the information is really critical. Savage or Garpoppolo or McCarron might all be great - hell, one of them very well might end up being better than Bridgewater, Manziel, and Bortles - but if a guy is Tom Brady backup for the next four years then he still sucks for our league (take it from me, who owns Mallett).
Morgan's Magic Snowplow said:
I agree with this.
And I'll just note, again, that with no restrictions in place, those of us with franchise QBs who want to avoid a drop off in quality could really clean up on some of these QB prospects with our late first round picks.
I read this as: I'm already set at backup QB, so I don't want to take another one, but I still want to make sure someone fucks KFP/SMU over. Since I'm also hoping they don't end up with a top QB, maybe I should keep my mouth shut.soxfan121 said:
BTW, Glennon was a guy I was really surprised to see you keep in the stealing draft. Wouldn't have hurt you too much to lose him but could have really helped someone with a bad QB situation.
If you drafted a backup QB thinking Brady has 3 to 4 years left I wouldn't hold it against you. That's just business. Plus it screws us and given that if we had a QBwwe're probably a favorite or close to it next year that makes sense. It isn't an indefensible move. Is it what a real go would do in your shoes? Probably not but this is RFF. The only thing I'd say is that this draft has a number of good QB prospects so depending on who is available you might just take one option of 2 or 3 away so it wouldn't impact us, at least, too badly. We pick at 26 so the odds of a guy we liked falling to us then is pretty remote anyway.
Edit: now if you keep Glennon and drafted another top QB that's... unrealistic? It's legal by our rules but seems shady. Then again if I were in your shoes and we don't have to deal with QB trade threats? I'd consider it. Like I said, I doubt we see a QB we like at 26 anyway.
Edit: now if you keep Glennon and drafted another top QB that's... unrealistic? It's legal by our rules but seems shady. Then again if I were in your shoes and we don't have to deal with QB trade threats? I'd consider it. Like I said, I doubt we see a QB we like at 26 anyway.
In real life we have to deal with a salary cap which is why your idea wouldn't play out. No one would take a QB that high with Brady and carry both salaries unless it was closer to when Brady retired. Anyone not in my position have any comments on this?
I have to say that Manziel is looking more and more Raiderish as time goes on. What can I get for my current QB?
And what about for Rodgers?
And what about for Rodgers?
In all seriousness, the no-trade thing bothers me a lot and if I do take a QB just to fuck everyone else over, it's a protest over the no-trade rule. Having assets for when there are trades allowed makes sense; scooping up a second of the IMPORTANT 32 (and still having Glennon) is a complete dick move but as SMU points out, defensible given the setup of the game.
That said, it is (sadly) fun to suggest I might take a QB and imagine KFP smashing a hand on his keyboard and yelling SOXFAN!!! like Darth Vader yelled NO at the end of the worst SW movie.
That said, it is (sadly) fun to suggest I might take a QB and imagine KFP smashing a hand on his keyboard and yelling SOXFAN!!! like Darth Vader yelled NO at the end of the worst SW movie.