RealFantasy Pigskin 2013: Draft and Discussion

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I was convinced that Myt1 would blow it and not draft Calvin.  I guess I gave him too much credit.
 
Last time around, I ended up with Derek Anderson as my quarterback.  Never again.
 
I'll gladly take 34-year old Drew Brees to run my offense for the next 4-5 years.
 
 

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dylanmarsh said:
I was convinced that Myt1 would blow it and not draft Calvin.  I guess I gave him too much credit.
 
Last time around, I ended up with Derek Anderson as my quarterback.  Never again.
 
I'll gladly take 34-year old Drew Brees to run my offense for the next 4-5 years.
 
 
Drew Brees at #11 is a fucking steal.
 

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The Buffalo Bills have been a doormat for far too long.  Tucked away in the morosity of Western NY, there has been a stunning lack of organizational vision for as long as one can remember.  Today, we turn a new page to build a franchise molded in the mentality of the fabric of the city itself.  Blue collar, hard nosed, salt of earth, tough, a team Big Russ and the late Tim Russert would be proud of.
 
With that being said, with the 12th pick, the Buffalo Bills select their franchise QB, 30 years old, winner of two Super Bowls and dodger of sexual assault charges at least once:
 
QB - Ben Roethlisberger
 
 

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With all the jibber jabber about how the rookie QBs of this season have fared, many seem to forget the historically great rookie campaign of the year before. With the run on QBs, I don't think I can pass him up.
 

 
With the 13th pick in the Real Fantasy Draft, the LA Rams select Cam Newton, QB.
 
Cam is a perfect specimen for the new NFL. If he gets some help on the OL and in the backfield, he will be a beast. Despite his athletic play style, he's been very good about staying away from big hits and hasn't missed a start his first two years in the league. While he didn't make the leap in year two that everyone hoped he would, it's tough to blame him with the shit sandwich of a team he plays on. The talent is clearly there, and while he's got a little ways to go in terms of leading a team, this is the high upside pick. Face of the franchise in their new home in LA, he'll be rocking the return to the best uniforms in the NFL - the Rams blue and yellow:
 
 

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I've spent the last hour unable to make up my mind between two guys and ragnarok conveniently just made the choice for me.
 
I'm a huge proponent of the idea that the QB is the most important position in football by a large margin.  And I went into this draft promising that I wouldn't end up in the position of talking myself into somebody like Jason Campbell, like I did three years ago.  But given the way that the draft board has lined up, I can either snag the 12th best QB or the 2nd best defensive player in the entire league, which is Von Miller, OLB
 
Just 23-years-old, Miller has established himself as the premier edge player in football.  He combines ridiculous athleticism, especially his bend in turning the corner, with a very high football IQ.  The stats - 18.5 sacks, 6 FF, 39 of FO's "defeats" - are impressive but you can tell Miller is a dominant player without ever looking at a scoresheet.  He's nearly unblockable 1-on-1, he doesn't get his sacks cheaply because his teammates are opening up lanes for him (cough, cough Aldon Smith), and he's a true three down player who has turned into an excellent run defender and a fairly capable coverage man as well.  By all accounts, Miller is a film room junkie and pretty well grounded guy, so I don't think there are many worries off the field.  He looks like the second coming of Derrick Thomas to me, a guy who can disrupt entire offensive gameplans and anchor my defense for the next 7-8 years.
 
All that and he's clearly one of the coolest guys in football.  Does anybody not like Von Miller?
 
 

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Great pick with Von Miller.  Was hoping he would be undervalued and fall with the run of QB's but that was more wishful thinking than anything.
 

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Also, SSF, I need to know: are you posting from a mobile device or have you never actually noticed what Super Nomario's handle really is?
LOL. I keep reading it as pronounced, SUper-noMArio, thus SM. I stand corrected.
 

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Ok, this is ridiculous.  SoxFan58 is oblivious to PMs and has been on SOSH throughout the day without checking this thread.  I don't see much hope of anything changing in the next couple days.  Waiting until Monday and then inevitably skipping him in the draft seems pointless.  At the same time, I did say that I wouldn't penalize anybody until Monday, I don't want to totally screw him over, and I would like to give him a chance to participate.
 
So given that at least a few of us think its a huge no-brainer as the #1 pick, I'm just going to draft Aaron Rodgers, QB for SoxFan58.  If he comes back by the end of the second round, great.  If not, we'll find somebody else to take the team.
 
Sorry all, been a tough weekend with the storm and I've only been able to access the site via my phone. I'll be more active in this thread now that I've gotten all my ducks in a row. I know it's not an excuse and I'm sorry I slowed the process down but I did not see the PM notification on my phone.

Being one of a few resident Packers fans on the board, this would have been my pick anyway. The rationale is pretty obvious, he's a top 3 quarterback now and probably the best bet of anyone in the league of being a top 3 QB for the next 5-7 years.
 

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As soon as I saw pick 15 I knew I was going to be in trouble again. All the elite QBs have been chosen, so you either take a shot with the second tier or take a top tier defenseman. Last time around I selected Mario Williams here and was stuck with Kyle Orton as my QB. I keep hoping someone might fall to me in the second round but I just don't see it happening. 
 
With the 15th pick in the 2013 NFL RealFantasy Draft the San Francisco 49ers select:
 
QB Eli(te) Manning
 

 
I didn't think it was possibly that I could hate my first round pick this much but it's the safe smart choice. He turned 32 less than a month ago and has the Manning genes. I should be able to fill him in under center for at least 5-7 years. He took a small step back last year but his TD% and INT% were almost identical to a year ago. HIs completion % was the worst it's been in 5 years but he lost Mario Manningham (they never really replaced him) and Hakeem Nicks couldn't stay on the field... 
 
Really I'm trying to convince myself with this pick. I fucking hate him and his ugly face. 
 

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Morgan's Magic Snowplow said:
 
Drew Brees at #11 is a fucking steal.
Yeah. I was between him and Johnson, but I think I'm more bearish on Bree's than most.
 

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With the 16th pick in the first round, and the 16th pick overall, the Washington Redskins select:
 
Joe Flacco, QB.
 

 
The last go-round I went LT and OLB with my first two picks, and ended up with Brady Quinn under center.  This is an offensive era, and the Redskins simply cannot wait to address the most important position in the game.  
 
Playing QB is all about how you handle pressure.  The Redskins have seen Flacco perform in pressure situations his entire career, and believe we can build our team around him.  Look at this postseason alone.  Tied an NFL record with 11 TD passes and 0 picks.  The only other QB to do that?  Joe Montana.  Yeah, that's good company.  He's won a post-season game every single year he has been in the league.  Late game concerns?  Not with this guy.  9 TD passes and 0 picks this season in the 4th quarter, and a 112 QB rating in the 4th quarter this season.  
 
But you want to talk about playing under pressure?  He just won a Super Bowl, knowing full well that if his team lost, this is what was waiting for him in the locker room:
 

 
Pressure?  Yeah.  This guy can handle pressure.  
 

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mascho said:
With the 16th pick in the first round, and the 16th pick overall, the Washington Redskins select:
 
Joe Flacco, QB.
 
Somehow appropriate that Eli Manning and Flacco are picked back-to-back. Picks are updated, and the  RedOctober3829's New York Jets are up next!
 

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With the 17th pick in the first round, the Jets select DE/OLB Aldon Smith.  I plan on getting after the quarterback early and often, so Aldon is a strong building block for our defense.  He had 19.5 sacks this season and 33 over his first 32 NFL games.  He has not missed a game in his first 2 seasons so he is a durable player.  I look forward to getting him in a Jet uniform.
 
 

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With the 18th pick the whatever team name is left for me picks DE - Jason Pierre-Paul:
 

 
This was an extremely hard decision for me I went between a few guys on this pick, and I wanted to go young and pick someone who will have a big impact on the passing game one way or the other.  JPP slowed down a bit this year after his huge year the year before, but he is still very young at 24 and still racked up 6.5 sacks forced a fumble and an INT.  I will be happy with him pressuring the othee team's QB's for many years to come.
 

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Lots of defensive talent out there after the (predictable) QB run. Should be interesting...
 

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With the 19th pick of the first round, the Indianapolis Colts select Matthew Stafford.  He just turned 25, and after a terrific age 23 season in 2011-2013, he took a step back--but still managed to be top 10 in in EPA and DYAR.  He hasn't lived up to his potential yet, but there's still a ton of upside. 
 
Main downsides:  Some past injury issues (played 16 games the last two seasons), not handsome enough to do baby animal/cologne advertisements. 

Edit: For some reason I cannot bold or insert a picture. Will edit later.
 

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With the 19th pick of the first round, the Indianapolis Colts select Matthew Stafford.  He just turned 25, and after a terrific age 23 season in 2011-2013, he took a step back--but still managed to be top 10 in in EPA and DYAR.  He hasn't lived up to his potential yet, but there's still a ton of upside. 
 
Main downsides:  Some past injury issues (played 16 games the last two seasons), not handsome enough to do baby animal/cologne advertisements. 

Edit: For some reason I cannot bold or insert a picture. Will edit later.
Love this pick , it's who I was taking at 26. I could be slightly biased
 

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You know who his number 1 similarity score is according to football outsiders? Dan Marino.
 

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I know I'm not up yet for a couple of picks, but I am heading out to drop the kids off at school, pick up my wife's car, and then join in the always enjoyable 128 commute.  Should be at my desk by 1030 and will make my pick then if it rolls around to me by that point.  Hopefully wont be much of a delay.
 
thanks
 
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Ok, so, losing out on Stafford by a pick sucked.

Anyways, I'm torn among three players, all of whom have notable warts. Part of me wanted to opt for an a non-QB here, given that the cream of the crop is gone, but I'll admit that I'm concerned ill get stuck with either a complete mediocrity or a gamble if I wait. The position is too important in this league to get stuck without a good player for a few years or so, and, quite frankly, I think the focus on anything past a 3-4 year window is folly. If take Andrew Luck in a second, but any sensible roster-building plan in the NFL implicitly recognizes the transience of the individual player's career and the need to strike while the iron's hot, so to speak.

This is a long way of saying that, with the 20th pick, the Chicago Bears take QB Tony Romo.

Look, his failures are well-documented, and he is coming off a down year production-wise. I see this guy with level eyes. That said, he's a legitimately good NFL QB, he's tough, he's, in my estimation, got a few years of high-quality play left in the tank, and a change of scenery - and a competent offensive staff - could do him some good. I don't know if he can lead the Bears to a title, but I wouldn't count him out. How many other QB couldn't get it done until, well, they did? I'm willing to bet on Romo figuring it out - hopefully I can give him the necessary supporting cast.
 

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Ha. SMU and I had Romo and Stafford as our only two picks...with only two GMs to draft ahead of us. Were gonna need some time.
 

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Lots of defensive talent out there after the (predictable) QB run. Should be interesting...
 
 
Kenny F'ing Powers said:
Ha. SMU and I had Romo and Stafford as our only two picks...with only two GMs to draft ahead of us. Were gonna need some time.
 
Sometimes you get the bull and sometimes, the bull, she get you. 
 

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Sometimes you get the bull and sometimes, the bull, she get you. 
 
Ha! Every little bit helps. Was trying to place a little doubt in their minds. Clearly it didn't work.
 
I have our pick. Doing a write up now.
 

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Somebody just asked me via PM if you can pick more than one QB.  Last time we limited each team to one QB and that was my understanding for this time as well.  The FB slot can be used on any skill position player other than a QB - RB, WR, TE, FB.
 

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Somebody just asked me via PM if you can pick more than one QB.  Last time we limited each team to one QB and that was my understanding for this time as well.  The FB slot can be used on any skill position player other than a QB - RB, WR, TE, FB.
I think two QBs should definitely be allowed. If you took Peyton you might be thinking a backup, or take a flyer with a couple of rookies. 
 
We're filling out only 27 roster spots. If you think a backup QB is more valuable than a FB or backup TE I think you should have free reign. 
 

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Quite a bit of deliberation with this pick. Romo/Stafford really were the last two QB's that SMU and I could justify taking so early in a draft. I mean, we tried reaaaaallly hard to find a justifiable reason to take some of the QB's that were out there ahead of this guy, but we couldn't do it. So, with the 21st pick in the draft, the newly relocated Austin Browns select...
 

 
Patrick Willis, LB, San Francisco 49ers
 
He hits like a truck and is one of the best run-stuffing linebackers in the NFL. He also is one of the best coverage linebackers in the NFL, often getting man coverage against the opponents best TE or RB threat. There isn't another player in the NFL that can effect both the running game and passing game to the level that Patrick Willis can. Anyone participating in this draft know that basic stats don't tell the whole truth of a players worth. Some people wanted sacks. Other people wanted young QB's who might pan out. Well, Patrick Willis could be the most disruptive defensive player in the NFL, and is almost certainly the most complete defensive player in the NFL. Thanks for letting us scoop him up 21st overall you fucking knuckleheads.
 

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Morgan's Magic Snowplow said:
Somebody just asked me via PM if you can pick more than one QB.  Last time we limited each team to one QB and that was my understanding for this time as well.  The FB slot can be used on any skill position player other than a QB - RB, WR, TE, FB.
 
I'm mostly against this, feeling that the spirit is we don't have real backups, just a couple extra spots so we can play a couple different looks (e.g., a nickel defense, or subbing a pass-catching RB on 3rd down). As far as exceptions, if SF121 wants to draft Tebow, I think you should let him.
 

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I absolutely do not want to be limited to one QB. In fact for the teams who do not get to pick a top 15 QB we shouldn't be limited at all.  
 
And by at all I mean within reason.
 
If we want to take 2-3 QBs and let them fight it out I think that is fair. Let's face it: the most important position is QB. There are roughly 10-15 good QBs and the rest are thoroughly mediocre. If you pick later in the draft you're not going to get that elite QB. What would a GM in this case do? He would take a few and see who sticks best.
 

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Kenny F'ing Powers said:
Quite a bit of deliberation with this pick. Romo/Stafford really were the last two QB's that SMU and I could justify taking so early in a draft. I mean, we tried reaaaaallly hard to find a justifiable reason to take some of the QB's that were out there ahead of this guy, but we couldn't do it. So, with the 21st pick in the draft, the newly relocated Austin Browns select...
 
I am of the same mind as the Austin Browns.  There is not much left for QBs out there, and I dont think there are any that justify a first round pick.  So I was planning to go defense, and had Willis in mind, but as someone said above, sometimes the bull gets you....
 
As it is a passing league, and since there is not too much left on the QB side, I figure I need to be able to stop the pass.  However, I am going to move to the back end of the defense.  Someone who can lock up on the top receiver on another team consistently. PFF rates him as the best cover corner in the NFL in 2012, by a pretty wide margin.  FO put him on their 2011 All-Rookie team and had him rated 4th overall as a rookie, so 2012 is not a one year spike in performance.  His passer rating against was 41.1.  He is also going to help set the tone for my defense, which is going to be aggressive and nasty.  He's big (6'3''), he's young (24), and he will hopefully help to make up for what is likely to be a mediocre passing offense for the next five years. With the 22nd pick in the draft, the Intercourse Panthers select Richard Sherman, CB, Seattle Seahawks.
 
 

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Agreed, great pick. I'm starting to get kind of worried about what will be left at the end of the round. Everyone's picking better than I thought they would.
 

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There went my pick with Willis or Sherman.  Need to think it over a bit.  Heading to school in a little bit to go study so I'll make my pick there and should be up within 2 hours.
 

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Agreed, great pick. I'm starting to get kind of worried about what will be left at the end of the round. Everyone's picking better than I thought they would.
Yeah I thought some players would fall. Other than a couple QBs going in a slightly different order than I expected this has been pretty close to the first 22 picks being the best (or most valuable) 22 players in the NFL. Age withstanding of course. 
 

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DaughtersofDougMirabelli said:
I think two QBs should definitely be allowed. If you took Peyton you might be thinking a backup, or take a flyer with a couple of rookies. 
 
We're filling out only 27 roster spots. If you think a backup QB is more valuable than a FB or backup TE I think you should have free reign. 
 
Super Nomario said:
I'm mostly against this, feeling that the spirit is we don't have real backups, just a couple extra spots so we can play a couple different looks (e.g., a nickel defense, or subbing a pass-catching RB on 3rd down). As far as exceptions, if SF121 wants to draft Tebow, I think you should let him.
 
SMU_Sox said:
I absolutely do not want to be limited to one QB. In fact for the teams who do not get to pick a top 15 QB we shouldn't be limited at all.  
 
And by at all I mean within reason.
 
If we want to take 2-3 QBs and let them fight it out I think that is fair. Let's face it: the most important position is QB. There are roughly 10-15 good QBs and the rest are thoroughly mediocre. If you pick later in the draft you're not going to get that elite QB. What would a GM in this case do? He would take a few and see who sticks best.
 
My default opinion is pretty much in line with SuperNomario's position but I can understand the opposing argument as well.  I'm happy to hear any other arguments for or against picking a second QB.
 
FWIW, its not clear to me that the ability to pick a second QB really helps teams that weren't able to land one in the first round.  You can hedge your bets with two QBs, but the talent pool will be that much more drained by other teams picking guys to back up their older QBs.  There's value in knowing that other teams are out of the QB market entirely.
 

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Morgan's Magic Snowplow said:
 

 

 
My default opinion is pretty much in line with SuperNomario's position but I can understand the opposing argument as well.  I'm happy to hear any other arguments for or against picking a second QB.
 
FWIW, its not clear to me that the ability to pick a second QB really helps teams that weren't able to land one in the first round.  You can hedge your bets with two QBs, but the talent pool will be that much more drained by other teams picking guys to back up their older QBs.  There's value in knowing that other teams are out of the QB market entirely.
This is where I'm at. Its comforting to know that the guys who've already picked their QB are out of the running. Its bad enough that some of us are going to have to pick through the lower tier QB's to be our starters. If we're allowed to have multiple QB's then I think some of our first round strategies would've been different.
 

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I was the one who brought up the QB issue to MMS via PM.  Picking 32nd, I'm not sure which approach I prefer, but I know it will change my strategy drastically.  As MMS said, there is a definite value to knowing that 15 teams already are out of the QB market, and that they won't be taking fliers on backup QBs.  On the other hand, if I'm stuck choosing between a mediocre starter and a high-risk/high-reward guy, there's a lot to be said for being able to use my UTIL spot on a backup QB so my teams not completely fucked just because I didn't have any good QBs left.
 

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I'd much rather have 2-3 QBs than 1. It definitely evens up the playing field if we can take a prospect for a QB. I doubt anyone would significantly change their 1st round strategy if they could pick up Michael Bishop in the 10th round.