Tyrone Biggums said:
I don't think there's any chance Lester is bringing back Taveras. As I said earlier, he's what I ask for, but I don't think the Cardinals are giving him up for a rental. I'd love to be wrong, of course.
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I don't think there's any chance Lester is bringing back Taveras. As I said earlier, he's what I ask for, but I don't think the Cardinals are giving him up for a rental. I'd love to be wrong, of course.
http://www.baseballamerica.com/minors/2014-baseball-america-top-100-prospects-free/
3) Taveras OF
10) Polanco OF
14) Addison Russell SS (already traded for Shark who had an extra year and hammer a averagish SP for the rest of the year just for a baseline)
15) Bundy SP
21) Giolito SP
25) Castellanos 3b/LF
31) Carlos Martinez SP
34) Pederson OF
37) Seager ss/3b
49) Austin Meadows OF
The above are centerpiece guys who are various levels of untouchable I would think but I didn't think we'd get the Giants 2nd ranked pitching prospect for what's left of Peavy.
If I were Ben and I got offered any of the above guys as a centerpiece of a deal for Lester/Koji I would seriously have to consider it. Teams are all ones that are in the hunt and looking to be buyers.
The Cardinals probably say no to Ben if he offered Koji and Lester for Taveras but they might think about it for a minute.
3) Taveras OF
10) Polanco OF
14) Addison Russell SS (already traded for Shark who had an extra year and hammer a averagish SP for the rest of the year just for a baseline)
15) Bundy SP
21) Giolito SP
25) Castellanos 3b/LF
31) Carlos Martinez SP
34) Pederson OF
37) Seager ss/3b
49) Austin Meadows OF
The above are centerpiece guys who are various levels of untouchable I would think but I didn't think we'd get the Giants 2nd ranked pitching prospect for what's left of Peavy.
If I were Ben and I got offered any of the above guys as a centerpiece of a deal for Lester/Koji I would seriously have to consider it. Teams are all ones that are in the hunt and looking to be buyers.
The Cardinals probably say no to Ben if he offered Koji and Lester for Taveras but they might think about it for a minute.
E5 Yaz said:
Escobar is 56 on that list. He's fallen for sure since the year began but the Giants are selling low and we gave up a very average Peavy. I'll grant you they can't be compared exactly but rankings do matter for who GM's target and like.
If the Sox went all in and moved Lester/Koji/Miller in one package, I wonder if the Dodgers cough up Pederson and Seager.
And if I'm Ben, I ask for numbers 34 and 37 from LAD. They are ambitious enough and likely want to keep Lester away from StL or anyone else they may face in the postseason. If Uehara's name comes up, it's those two plus.jimbobim said:
You people are nuts. If a half season of Lester and Koji alone can land us those two, I would be jumping for joy. I think BSB is right though, that we have to include at least Miller, and I'd probably willing to add someone like Matt Barnes if that put it over the top.Yaz4Ever said:
it's certainly a steep "ask", but right now Lester's value is as high as it gets. Shoot for the moon, especially with a team like LAD.MakMan44 said:
bosockboy said:
I thought the same thing. This would be consistent with their quality over quantity approach.
Seeing Meadows at 49 makes me really really angry. Why Trey Ball?!!! EFFING WHY?!!jimbobim said:
I don't want Lester moved at all. I want him back. If the Cards don't want to part with Oscar than fine. Lester stays and the Sox end up locking him up. No pressure to move Lester at all for just any return.
I hated the Ball pick at the time and really wanted/expected Meadows there. However, the early returns were always going to favor Meadows, Ball should be expected to take longer to develop.
I agree 100% but just seeing him there already...it's ridiculous. Imagine this system with Meadows?Marbleheader said:
Tyrone Biggums said:
No one is suggesting they move him just to move him. Getting Pederson is nearly as good as getting Taveras and is well worth the swap if the Sox believe they will still have every chance to sign Lester to a contract over the winter. I think people are getting a little nuts in suggesting Pederson and Seager, even if we're adding Koji, but the package suggested above of Lester, Koji, Miller and Barnes would make me think about it.
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Cherington in conference call re Peavy notes that Sox focus is now April '15.
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Cherington in conference call re Peavy notes that Sox focus is now April '15.
about an hour ago
jimbobim said:
Wondering how appealing the idea of TWO rentals would be to any team without at least something else of worth coming back in return.
- Per MLB Rumors July 26
- * The Red Sox and Mariners have inquired about Matt Kemp, but the Dodgers are unlikely to trade him, and trade talks did not go far. Kemp has hit well in the past week, with a .320/.414/.440 line in 29 plate appearances since the All-Star break.
- In fact, as Rosenthal notes (via Twitter), the Dodgers are not close to a deal of any kind
- * The Dodgers are shopping Matt Kemp, says Jon Heyman of CBS Sports. He adds that five teams “have shown interest, or at least talked to the Dodgers.” While Kemp has received frequent playing time, other issues have boiled to the surface between club and player. Included among those is a less than “smooth” relationship with the field staff. Rival executives have heard of the same problem, which could affect his trade value. Kemp’s contract, with $117MM remaining, could also impede a deal.
- In addition to Kemp, the Dodgers are focused on finding relievers to pitch the seventh and eighth innings, tweets Jim Bowden of ESPN. The Dodgers have a plethora of former closers setting up Kenley Jansen, but they’ve been less than stellar.
So... Lester, Miller, and Gomes (right hand bat) for Kemp (and whatever salary portion the Red Sox pick up), Pederson/Seager ?
From a poster named dmoney0905 on MLB.com. I know that name from previous trading periods and believe he has been validated as someone with connections, but I could be confusing the moniker.
Pederson is not out of the lineup. Only Seager. My sources tell me it is Seager being traded for Lester, Nava, Herrera with other parts involved.
Stating it like he knows it to be true, but take with a grain of salt. Nava makes no sense for them, unless Van Slyke is in the deal. It was reported earlier the Sox were impressed with him when scouting Kemp.
Pederson is not out of the lineup. Only Seager. My sources tell me it is Seager being traded for Lester, Nava, Herrera with other parts involved.
Stating it like he knows it to be true, but take with a grain of salt. Nava makes no sense for them, unless Van Slyke is in the deal. It was reported earlier the Sox were impressed with him when scouting Kemp.
Don't be ridiculous...Nava was pulled too! You know we had to give up more than just HerreraYaz4Ever said:
Tyrone Biggums said:
Not to go too far off topic, here, but Meadows has barely played this season. He's got 11 games at A Ball this season...
Trey Ball is going to take time, but I think it's safe to say he's had a better 2014 than Austin Meadows. The guy we all wanted (myself included), Clint Frazier is having a good but not great year, as well. In short, not every High School draftee tears up the minors ala Trout or Harper.
Undervaluing Carp. We can get the entire stool back.
I doubt you could give Carp away right now.
I doubt you could give Carp away right now.
To be honest the Red Sox and the use of "imminent" has been extremely spotty this year.
I IRRATIONALLY(just so no one instinctively lists all the obvious negatives and the money owed) want Matt Kemp in our OF. I think he's better then anything on the FA market this year and the Dodgers essentially put a for sale sign on him earlier this week.
Obviously money would be a huge concern but
Lester
Nava ( I also am not a Nava fan even though I know he's been hitting well since he returned from the bucket )
for
Seager
Kemp (60 mill covered by LA)
I IRRATIONALLY(just so no one instinctively lists all the obvious negatives and the money owed) want Matt Kemp in our OF. I think he's better then anything on the FA market this year and the Dodgers essentially put a for sale sign on him earlier this week.
Obviously money would be a huge concern but
Lester
Nava ( I also am not a Nava fan even though I know he's been hitting well since he returned from the bucket )
for
Seager
Kemp (60 mill covered by LA)
Meadows dealt with hamstring problems all spring. It wasn't like he didn't play because of a lack of ability. To say he's had a worse 2014 than Ball is pretty silly, given how mediocre Ball has been. It's also kind of silly to say that Ball should be expected to take longer than Meadows, given Meadows is almost a full calendar year younger, and ARL is less important for pitchers than hitters (i.e. if the two produced at relatively equal levels, Meadows' performance would be more impressive).billy ashley said:
Nicky listening to the voices in his head again:
http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2014/07/27/tampa-bay-rays-have-some-big-decisions-trade-deadline-nears/gwgk0yoSOXN111F5mt0tvO/story.html
http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2014/07/27/tampa-bay-rays-have-some-big-decisions-trade-deadline-nears/gwgk0yoSOXN111F5mt0tvO/story.html
If the Dodgers picked up half the money Kemp wouldn't be a bad option in LF. All of a sudden he goes from being significantly overpaid to semi underpaid if he performs reasonably well. If Boston does trade Lester to LA I could see some form of
Kemp, Seager, cash for Lester Nava and a small throw in.
Kemp, Seager, cash for Lester Nava and a small throw in.
I think we've gone all the way from mildly underestimating Lester's trade value to wildly overestimating it. I can see getting Seager in a Lester trade. I can also imagine getting a subsidized Kemp. If we get both, Ned Colletti should be run out of LA on a rail.Tyrone Biggums said:
Roughly $112,000,000 owed including the balance of this season. You think LA would be willing to pay $55 million on top of Seager and Kemp for Nava and two plus months of Lester?
Kemp's got too good of an arm being wasted in Fenway's LF. Would prefer Buch/Lackey and Victorino for Kemp and a prospect. Put Kemp in RF, where his speed and arm is put top better use. Keep Nava's smaller salary over Shane's. You do remove your backup CF, though.Tyrone Biggums said:
I wouldn't put anything past the Dodgers. If they want a player they will overpay. Adrian Gonzalez they pursued hard and significantly overpaid. This would be a significant overpay. Plus I think you're underrating the greatness that is Daniel Nava.YTF said:
Sox did great in the Punto deal moving a ton of money, eating none of those contracts AND getting prospects as well. Do the Dodgers do similar (but sorta' different) thing again with the same trading partner? Matt Kemp is no longer Matt Kemp, but at 29 years old (30 in Sept) is he done? Sox still need an outfield bat and IF subsidized at 10.5 million for the next 5 years you MAY get more out of him than what you get out Victorino's 3/$39. Heading into next season with Kemp, Victorino, JBJ and Holt seems better than what The Sox started this season with. I don't hate the idea of Kemp coming on short money, but doubt if the Dodgers go that route with Seager as part of the deal.
I'm not sure that this Dodger management group looks at this as a 2 month rental, but rather as a move that significantly increases their chances of winning a WS this year. If so, I don't think we should underestimate what they'll pay for that.
And it's not like the Dodgers weren't going to be players for Lester as a FA or that they don't have the capability to sign him as a FA. I wonder if they do a deal, LA asks for a signing window? Would assume they would have to be at the top of the market for Lester/PA to agree to that before free agency.