Red Sox Deadline Discussion
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Kind of a dick move to trade Lackey to Miami because I have no doubt that Jeffrey Loria will insist he play for the minimum next year. Just because he can.
Never heard of Canha before, but I really liked what I saw when I pulled up his AAA stats. .398 OBP/.528 SLG/43 BB and 73 KCorsi said:
Yeah, I really hope they can do better than two guys outside the Marlins top 10 as the main pieces in any trade.
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You've been checking Twitter since you woke up about Jon Lester and NOTHING'S HAPPENED. You WASTED YOUR WHOLE DAY. Good job!
You've been checking Twitter since you woke up about Jon Lester and NOTHING'S HAPPENED. You WASTED YOUR WHOLE DAY. Good job!
Yeah but he's 25 and he's a college player who's been in the minors for 4 years...not much of a prospect. Not for a year and a half of Lackey who's on a league minimum deal for next year.
Joke's on you High Heat...I've been checking SoSH all day. It's pretty much the same thing interspersed with mental slap fights between a bunch of losers doing the same thing as me!mabrowndog said:
Papelbon's Poutine said:
Unless there's a main piece involved, that'd be an underwhelming return for Andrew Miller, nevermind Lackey.
Lackey is too ornery and has already made too much money to work for Loria in that amusement park for league minimum next year. He's more likely to buy a membership at Loria's CC and make a point of getting the tee time just ahead of that greed head every day of the season next year.Moosbrugger said:
Question to fill the time....
Is the best the Sox can do for Lester at the deadline is something they evaluate to be only slightly better than a compensation pick, do they go ahead and keep Lester for the rest of the year? Would it in any way enhance their chances of renewing him, and/or settle down the clubhouse?
Is the best the Sox can do for Lester at the deadline is something they evaluate to be only slightly better than a compensation pick, do they go ahead and keep Lester for the rest of the year? Would it in any way enhance their chances of renewing him, and/or settle down the clubhouse?
gammoseditor said:
I think we pretty much did reach a consensus--you need to start at post 112 though. And it's not a 100+ page document, as Joshv02 pointed out that there is a specific attachment to the CBA to clarify the issue.
One of the reasons that I, like EE, will tend to go with SoSH over reporters is that we have a higher standard for citations. I have no idea what Olney was looking at which matters because the rules make it look one way, but the CBA makes it look another.
https://twitter.com/BillShaikin/status/494640956155502592
In the world's most obvious news ever, Dodgers top prospects aren't completely off the table but it seems like we're more likely to acquire them with Lackey than Lester. I'd do Lackey and Miller for something like Joc and lesser piece, maybe Chris Reed.
In the world's most obvious news ever, Dodgers top prospects aren't completely off the table but it seems like we're more likely to acquire them with Lackey than Lester. I'd do Lackey and Miller for something like Joc and lesser piece, maybe Chris Reed.
Yaz4Ever said:
Snippets from Mark Canha's BA writeup in the preseason (24th):
"Canha crushes line drives to all fields using a short stroke. He's got the strength to hit for power, particularly to his pull side, if he can maintain the adjustments he made in the 2nd half of 2013 to use his legs more efficiently...While the Marlins have tried him at 3B and in the OF, he spent most of his time at first, where he shows fringy overall defensive ability. Canha grows on scounts over time but doesn't profile well."
I have no idea what that last sentence means-I gather he's not toolsy or whatever. Without commenting on some imaginary return for Lackey, you can't really ask anyone to produce much more than Canha has. Whether or not he looks good in a uniform, seems like he's earning a shot with someone.
Correct although I would have a really tough time believing that those two players were all the Sox could get in return for Lester. I would think they target Ozuna after finding out that Yelich and Stanton are pipe dreams.Papelbon's Poutine said:
These pieces don't seem to match up with what the Sox are offering, but could it be part of a much larger deal?
Hypothetical ass pull:
Lackey to Marlins
Miami prospects to Dodgers or Cardinals
Lester to Dodgers or Cardinals
Tavares/Miller or Seager/Pederson to Red Sox
Not necessarily these names or teams, but that general idea.
Hypothetical ass pull:
Lackey to Marlins
Miami prospects to Dodgers or Cardinals
Lester to Dodgers or Cardinals
Tavares/Miller or Seager/Pederson to Red Sox
Not necessarily these names or teams, but that general idea.
Dewy4PrezII said:
He has nice AAA numbers, but he is playing in the hitters haven known as the Pacific Coast League. Same league that was just used to explain the decline in numbers of the LHP the Sox got from SF............If true, one would have to assume his numbers are a bit inflated
mauidano said:
Wouldn't you love to be Farrell right now? Team is toast for the season. Just start pulling folks and making a whole bunch of random moves just to mess with folks at the deadline.
Interesting, I'd be sad to see him go, even if it betters the team. Victorino is kind of my binky.mauidano said:
Hank Scorpio said:
Isn't it more likely that he broke his hip or something?
Edit: What Tyrone said.
mauidano said:
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Wow, it didn't take more than one tweet for the Trash Lackey crowd to start gearing up.
The fact is that we know nothing about him personally (including his private relationships, as if they mattered), that his team mates always liked him, that he pitched through injury, and that he contributed to a World Series title.
Shitty resume.
The fact is that we know nothing about him personally (including his private relationships, as if they mattered), that his team mates always liked him, that he pitched through injury, and that he contributed to a World Series title.
Shitty resume.
Green Monster said:
Sure, and I don't want to waste a lot of space on someone that may be headed to the Mets or just has the flu or whatever but Canha's .528 SLG ranks 21st in the PCL among qualified batters (110 ABs) on B-Ref. Tied for 10th in HRs. Still pretty solid but not eye popping.
MakMan44 said:
It would be greater if the author didn't have over 40 thousand tweets. Glass houses, and so on.
Papelbon's Poutine said:
Having gone through it, I think it leans away. The reason for this is that a cursory look suggests a definitive answer; if you don't look deeper, it seems obvious, even though it's contradicted by the CBA which is the controlling document.
erfus said:
It likely means scouts (not "scounts") eventually learn to love watching him play, but have trouble recommending him as a good fit for any position at the MLB level since he doesn't fit the prototypical mold.
Duquette used to pick up guys like Canha like he was picking up the dry cleaning. Maybe he's going to Baltimore.
I was driving in the car, but I am pretty sure Dave O'Brien casually tossed in a bombshell about Masterson on tonight's broadcast. He said Tito told him in Cleveland that he believed that Masterson was NOT injured. The issues with velocity decline and performance were all in Justin's head, and {paraphrasing} Tito doubted Justin's desire to compete.
Harry Hooper said:
Tim K was on the four letter network earlier today and basically said the same thing.
I'd much rather see them extend him at 3/24-30 rather than make a QO for $15 million to a 40 year old closer who's going to get 25 save opportunities next year.Mugsy's Walk-Off Bunt said:
It's because I like Koji, Victorino, Lackey, Gomes, and Lester so much that I'd like to see them traded to contenders (still holding out the slightest of hopes that Lester comes back via FA). I still think we could get a nice haul for them and build around the nucleus we already have in Pedroia, Papi, Xavier, etc to field a competitive team next season and certainly in 2016.P'tucket said:
My exact thoughts—from your keypad. Send Koji off to a land of postseason relevance where he belongs. Get a good chip/prospect for him and bring him back for every single solitary Sox alums function on the docket.P'tucket said:
I would like to extend him as well. I would also like to see if he could be stretch out to start again, but I don't think that would happen.P'tucket said:
