Revis the Jet: Plans to be part of the WH visit
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j44thor said:
Because you have four guys (Arrington, Dennard, Ryan, Chung) with a lot of playing experience, two others (Harmon, Butler) with some promise and a guy you're paying to be a top three player at his position. Look at the depth chart of an oakland or a Jacksonville or Baltimore or Pittsburgh or Miami--those secondaries fucking suck.
Super Nomario said:
Clearly. Also with where Dennard and Arrington are in their contracts (and even Ryan) you probably draft a corner in the first three rounds.
He was, is, and will always be strictly a mercenary. Huge thanks to him for the role he played in winning #4, Darrell. I'll always appreciate it. I'm tempted to say I hope has nothing but losing and misery in NY, but based on his decision, I doubt he gives a shit. Fair enough and no hard feelings.
Mystic Merlin said:
There's nothing in tampering rules that requires proof of causation....that's a complete red herring. The only questions are 1) was there tampering and 2) what is reasonable compensation given circumstances.
So he was basically Deion Sanders circa '94 Niners. I'm ok with that, but hope we get another ring, unlike SF.
PedroKsBambino said:
I didn't say it was in the rule. I'm explaining why the NFL isn't going to do much about it. They go from issue to issue without much of a gameplan or consistency, they're not going to pick a fight or create a story where they can avoid it.
This was always a distinct possibility, sadly. Though I think it would be almost impossible for the league to explain why with a straight face (as noted in other posts), I will be stunned if they do anything material on the tampering charge.
So it goes.
So it goes.
This is a brutal loss IMO, and no rationalizing it away diminishes the loss. This was the risk of letting him get to the market, and now we've been burned. Nevertheless, if you told me one year of Revis would net me a super bowl trophy, I'd have made that bargain.
PedroKsBambino said:
It really depends on Goodell, who is capricious. If he decides to "make a statement" in the aftermath of the Revis, Suh, etc. situations, he will do so. I think multiple teams will be pressuring the NFL to "punish" the teams that tampered, and that may convince Roger to take hard action.
Mystic Merlin said:
I still think it's ridiculous to suggest that lack of causation is why they won't do anything, given that there is neither a credible case that there isn't causation, and there is no requirement of causation. Though I agree with the point that they will not.
I don't get his Jets fetish at all, bit some guys like chicks that don't shave. It's a world of eccentricities, and dude is chock full of them. So glad we got that ring so that we can continue to laugh at Jets fans when their all time greatest player's only championship came during a year in New England with Darth Belichick.
dcmissle said:
You seem to miss the difference between an owner saying something long before FA starts and teams communicating more explicitly during the 'legal tampering period'. You'd have to be able to argue that teams cannot negotiate with their own player in between those two events for your argument to even make a little bit of sense.
dcmissle said:
You mean the 'legal tampering period'?
EDIT - And last I checked Revis was under a team option for 2015, he wasn't an expiring contract.
There really wasn't any question in my mind that he would go for the biggest contract he could get (his MO, because Tampa) especially after getting his ring this year. He really doesn't have to pretend any more that he cares about winning rings, especually since you don't have great odds of winning multiple rings, so why hurt your bottom line, if that's what you care about? I am happy he brought them a ring, but I was never going to buy his jersey. Disappointing, but not shocking. Good luck against everyone but the Pats. And he was too important to getting that 4th ring for me to root for injury.
Re: tampering, what Woody did was clearly exactly what the written rule lays out. Then Revis doesn't come to terms with the Pats and signs a record deal with the Jets. How is that not tampering?
And more importantly - since it is a written rule in the rule book - how can the NFL say it is not tampering? It is black and white. No different than 12 men on the field being a penalty. What am I missing.
And more importantly - since it is a written rule in the rule book - how can the NFL say it is not tampering? It is black and white. No different than 12 men on the field being a penalty. What am I missing.
Bleedred said:
Yeah, when we first got Revis, I think most of us were just hoping that he'd be the difference maker in bringing us to one more Super Bowl Championship after the two previous horrors. At the time I doubt many of us were projecting that he would be an integral part of a second dynasty or anything like that.
Enough with comparing people to Brady. The guy is married to a woman who makes 50 million a year.tims4wins said:
Any time a Jet fan gets on my nerves I'm going to ask if they have ever seen Revis' Super Bowl ring.MillarTime said:
He wasn't coming back and he was planning to return to New Jersey all along, even if the money was the same. This was a one year deal and they made the most of it.
If Arrington didn't suck so much in the first half of the Super Bowl than Butler wouldn't have been in there at the end.Super Nomario said:
theapportioner said:
I can't express how important it was to wash that taste out of my mouth. I could handle the losses to the Bears and Packers (only somewhat, because F Favre), but the 2007 and to a lesser extent 2011 were nut kicks. Also I have to remind myself of the Hugh Millan, Tom Hodson, Marc Wilson errors. We got it good baby. Real good.
A bit off topic, but I really doubt that Jet's fans consider Revis that team's "greatest player".Caspir said:
What is the consensus? I can understand the Pats not paying this ridiculous money but does this make the Jets a 8+ win team? I highly doubt it. They still have the biggest hole at the greatest position. This Jets team is bereft of talent all over the place except DL, and WR (of course, this depends on getting a league average QB).
Worst part of this is the timing. Hindsight being 20/20 NE would have been much better off if Revis was simply a FA and these discussions could have taken place during the tampering period.
I'd feel pretty good about going into next season with Browner/Maxwell/McCourty along with the rest of the kids. Instead they are left with scraps at this point.
I'd feel pretty good about going into next season with Browner/Maxwell/McCourty along with the rest of the kids. Instead they are left with scraps at this point.
McCourty took less to stay with an organization he was drafted with and most comfortable with.tims4wins said:
maybe living/working in NY/NJ is important to Revis and he has strong feelings about the organzaton that drafted him.
j44thor said:
You don't think discussions took place during the tampering period? And I am very confident the Pats wouldn't sniff Byron Maxwell at that contract.
I don't think a thing would've been different if they didn't hold the 25M option.
A perennial weakness for the Pats is once again a weakness.
Having said that...
Thanks for the ring, Revis! It was a pleasure having you!
Having said that...
Thanks for the ring, Revis! It was a pleasure having you!
I'm disappointed like many, but this guy was a key member of the team that just won a Super Bowl after a ten year drought filled with awful collapses and terrible endings. I'm not going to cry over what could have been - what we GOT was more than good enough.
Revis was the ultimate rental. Really, if you were told at this point one year ago that the Patriots would acquire Revis and Browner for just one season, and that would end up in a SB ring, and then they'd both disappear, would you be ok with that? Everyone - and I mean EVERYONE - here would have totally been ok with that. I know I sure would have been.
Seems The Gang Green have stopped calling him a mercenary and MEvis and welcoming him home.
Thanks for the memories, enjoy going 6-10 the next few years!
Thanks for the memories, enjoy going 6-10 the next few years!
Ho hum, another off-season, and another big name player leaving the Pats. Let the handwringing and all the pundits talk about how BB isn't a great GM, has lost his fastball, the team has holes, this could signal the end, bullshit begin.
Meanwhile, see you all next year in the AFC Championship, for the 10th time in 14 years. If they get to and win the Super Bowl again, even better.
I can't even get excited or interested about the offseason anymore. For all we know, Revis could have blown out his knee in the first game of the season, and we would have eaten the 30+ million in guaranteed money it would have cost to sign him. Could happen in New York too. This league is so damn hard to figure out, but the one thing I know is that come opening day, the Patriots will field a team capable of and probably favored to win the Super Bowl, barring some catastrophic injuries or murder indictments or suspensions between now and then. It's just not worth getting worried about anything until the games start.
Meanwhile, see you all next year in the AFC Championship, for the 10th time in 14 years. If they get to and win the Super Bowl again, even better.
I can't even get excited or interested about the offseason anymore. For all we know, Revis could have blown out his knee in the first game of the season, and we would have eaten the 30+ million in guaranteed money it would have cost to sign him. Could happen in New York too. This league is so damn hard to figure out, but the one thing I know is that come opening day, the Patriots will field a team capable of and probably favored to win the Super Bowl, barring some catastrophic injuries or murder indictments or suspensions between now and then. It's just not worth getting worried about anything until the games start.
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