Yeah, this was a hilarious offseason strategy. "Remember that 6-10 team that we had 3 years ago that sucked because it had no quarterback? Well what if I told you I could get that band on defense back together, except now everyone is three years older and more expensive, and still suck at quarterback. Is that something you might be interested in"?Kenny F'ing Powers said:
Revis the Jet: Plans to be part of the WH visit
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Stitch01 said:
They're following the same pattern they did when Rex first got there: load up on older players as much as possible to try to win NOW. Of course they had no QB when they tried that the first time. Plus ca change....
I get all the laughing at the Jets plan, but I'm not taking as much joy in the situation as some.
They are clearly not good enough to compete for the AFC now, and are also probably mortgaging their future to some extent. They would probably increase their odds at a Super Bowl in the coming years if they focused on stockpiling young talent as opposed to signing older vets while still not having a QB.
However, they did get better in the short-term, and that's not good for the Patriots, short term. I'm probably just being a worrier, but I hate it when the Jets beat the Patriots, even though the Patriots win the division while the Jets win 8 or less.
They are clearly not good enough to compete for the AFC now, and are also probably mortgaging their future to some extent. They would probably increase their odds at a Super Bowl in the coming years if they focused on stockpiling young talent as opposed to signing older vets while still not having a QB.
However, they did get better in the short-term, and that's not good for the Patriots, short term. I'm probably just being a worrier, but I hate it when the Jets beat the Patriots, even though the Patriots win the division while the Jets win 8 or less.
I don't know that they're mortgaging their future. I think lots of folks get the causation arrow wrong when it comes to free agency. For the most part, teams don't sign free agents to the exclusion of drafting players; they sign free agents because they already failed at using young players. The Jets have used three first rounders in the last five years on their secondary; it's not like they didn't try to build that group through the draft. But when Wilson and Milliner fail, you can either run out what you have or you can sign some guys and get better. It's the same with the Pats signing Revis and Browner last year - if Dowling and Butler aren't busts, they probably don't need to do that.dbn said:
dbn said:
I'm with you. My take: The gap between the Patriots and the rest of the division has been gargantuan. But as of THIS MOMENT, the Jets, Bills, and Dolphins all improved themselves (on paper, anyway), while the Patriots are significantly weakened. So the gap is closing. On paper.
And if the Jets could ever get Geno to play at a league average level, they could be very problematic. A good set of WRs, an average QB, a power running game, and a nasty defense can win plenty of games in the NFL.
I like it when the Patriots close out the AFC East with like 3 games to go. I still think they win the AFC East, but I think it'll be a lot harder than normal this coming year. And 1-2 more divisional losses may cost NE the #1 or #2 seed, which could be huge.
I think the Pats have to be considered right in the mix for best team in the AFC again, but the road to another Lombardi is more difficult now than it was before this offseason hit.
In a twisted sort of way, the fact that all 3 other AFCE teams look better (in March...) helps the Pats within the division because they all play each other also. Buffalo looks like the biggest threat now and they have 4 games against the improved Jets and Dolphins, rather than against doormats.
This could mean a 10-6 Pats team wins the division but misses on the bye, which of course is huge.
This could mean a 10-6 Pats team wins the division but misses on the bye, which of course is huge.
I could easily see the Pats going 10-6, winning the division, being the #4 seed, winning their first playoff game at home, and then having to go on the road to play the #1 seed in the Divisional Round.
But we are still a long ways from the 2015 season, so who knows what other pieces they'll add between now and then.
But we are still a long ways from the 2015 season, so who knows what other pieces they'll add between now and then.
I don't usually like to do this but this is the Patriots' schedule. I don't see 6 losses in there. 12-4 or 13-3.ivanvamp said:
Buffalox2
NYJx2
Miamix2
Philly
Pittsburgh
Washington
Jacksonville
Tennessee
@Denver
@NYG
@Dallas
@Indy
@Houston
6 is hard but lets say they slip with the division. I would not expect that many loses from the following but could see them losing to any of Philly, Pitt, Denver, Indy, and maybe NYG and HoustonRedOctober3829 said:
4-2 in the division with losses to Denver, NYG, Dallas, and one of either Philly, Pittsburgh, Indy or Houston could easily happen.
I don't expect us to lose all of those games, but most of our tougher matchups are on the road this year and the division has improved so I do expect a tougher path to the #1 seed.
Super Nomario said:
They haven't taken on a lot of contracts that will hurt them in 2016-2017 but I'm not sure they've added a lot of talent that will help them 2 or 3 years down the line--Harris/Cromartie/Marshall are getting long in the tooth and Revis is going to be quite overpaid in 2016 and 2017 if his play slips much.
Sure, but I think that's a function of the kind of players that are available in free agency as much as anything. You can argue that they signed the best under-27 corner on the market in Buster Skrine; that's just not a very strong pool of players. The top of the free agent pool basically consists of almost-past-their-prime stars where their old teams didn't want to pay for the decline years (the guys you mention) or guys coming off their rookie contract that their old teams didn't want to hand out big deals to (guys like Skrine and Byron Maxwell). A guy like Suh hitting the market is pretty rare.Shelterdog said:
I don't get the part about Butler, an undrafted rookie in 2104, being a bust, not even considering his play in the super bowl.Super Nomario said:
ivanvamp said:
You're giving too much credit to some of those teams.
Indianapolis - Why should Indy concern me? The Patriots beat them by a combined 87-27 margin in two match-ups this past year. They splurged on a 32 year old running back with nearly 2500(!?) rushing attempts. It's no different than bringing in Stephen Jackson and expecting me to take them seriously. Todd Herremans doesn't fix all the problems on that line, that is if he can even stay on the field (missed a full season of games over the last 3 seasons). People thought Andre Johnson was too washed up to play here, and I'm supposed to be worried about him in Indy? Trent Cole was old 2 seasons ago.
Texans - Houston? Rahim Moore is a good find at safety, but Vince Wilfork is not the same player from 5 years ago. He's fine at stopping the run, but let's not pretend the Patriots game plan would involve running into the teeth of Watt/Wilfork. Oh yeah, they are turning to a Hoyer/Mallett/Savage pu-pu platter at QB. Scary!
Eagles - The Eagles defense should be better next year, but their offense will be significantly worse. They had a legit WR in Maclin, and he's gone. Philly is rolling Sam Bradford (or Mark Sanchez) out at QB. He of an 18-30-1 record. People blame the failure of that Rams team on everyone BUT Bradford, and it's bullshit. Plenty of QB's have done more with less at WR, but somehow he escapes scrutiny. The guys career yards/attempt is 6.3. 6.3! He's finished 30th, 32nd, 24th, and 36th in his four years in the league. There's dink-and-dunk, and then there's Sam-fucking-Bradford. And having a noodle arm is one thing, but the guys career completion % is 58.6%. How the fuck do you finish in the bottom half of the league every year when you don't throw the ball more than 5 yards down field? How is this possible?! The guy's finished inside the top 17 in passer rating once (11th). We all know that a team only goes as far as their QB is taking them, and the Eagles QB sucks.
Broncos - Denver better hope they play New England in the first 6 games of the season before Manning's arm falls off.
Cowboys - Lost their best player (Murray) and their defense is certainly due for some regression after playing above their head for large stretches last season.
Steelers - Pittsburgh barely faced a competent QB all season. No, seriously. They faced some of the most putrid passing offenses in the NFL. The Jets (32nd), Jags (31st), Kansas City (29th), Tampa Bay (25th), Houston (24th), Tennessee (22nd), Cincinnati x2 (21st), Cleveland x2 (20th), Carolina (19th)...11 of their 16 games came against the bottom third of the league in passing yards. Yet they still managed to finish 27th in the NFL in passing yards against. This defense sucks, and their best player (Le'Veon Bell) is guaranteed to miss game time while recovering from a torn ACL. There's no promise he comes back close to what he was last year, especially in year one after an ACL injury.
Giants - The Giants were 6-10 last year. If some moron equates two Superbowl victories from 4 and 8 years ago as a reason to be worried about them now, then they deserve a good slap.
Could the Patriots finish 10-6? Of course. 14-2? Of course. Teams that are supposed to win lose every week. But let's not start making vague assertions without any context. Yes, any of these teams could beat the Patriots, but New England will still be favorites in most (all?) of these games.
Thanks for posting that link Felix... this line explains a few things about the Ginger Hammer:
"Goodell is a former Jets public relations intern. I don't know why that factoid makes me laugh ... actually, I know exactly why it makes me laugh."
"Goodell is a former Jets public relations intern. I don't know why that factoid makes me laugh ... actually, I know exactly why it makes me laugh."
"Sorry Darrelle, we'd love to have you come, but the owner of your new team will say it's tampering."
Don't get too excited--if the Canadian Prime Minister offers extra cookies or a second glass of milk during the visit, Darrelle will be headed to Ottowa instead.
You hopped along for the ride and got a ring. Now go back to worrying about your paychecks and shut the fuck up.
DrewDawg said:
Cool. Still not his car. He can get the fuck out and shut the fuck up.
This isn't the first time he's had shitty things to say about the Patriots since leaving ("I did Bill and Tom a favor, not the other way around"). You'd figure that he'd have a little more professionalism since the Patriots bailed him out of a shitty situation - the Bucs sucked and people were questioning his ability to perform as a top cornerback - and put him in a great position to capitalize. Yes, he was a big part of the team winning a Super Bowl, but how about acting like an adult and not running your mouth about your former employer at every opportunity?
How petty is that shit? "The Patriots wouldn't let my mom come to the ring ceremony! Waahhhh!" They didn't have to let him come either, but they did. Shutup, enjoy hanging out with former teammates while you receive a fucking superbowl ring, and go play for the fucking Jets.
Why do you say that? If anything, Revis seems to be most interested in maximizing his value and the amount of money he makes during his career.
I'd like to think that Revis is just playing to the Jets Fans. Saying what he thinks they want to hear.
That would be more understandable than the continuing idiocy coming out of him about the Pats (especially about him doing them a favor) than the notion that he really believes it.
And while there may be an element of fan pandering in what we're hearing, it sounds more to me that he's just massively self-absorbed and foolish.
Nothing changes how much fun it was to watch him last season and that I wish he was still in NE. But what a tool.
That would be more understandable than the continuing idiocy coming out of him about the Pats (especially about him doing them a favor) than the notion that he really believes it.
And while there may be an element of fan pandering in what we're hearing, it sounds more to me that he's just massively self-absorbed and foolish.
Nothing changes how much fun it was to watch him last season and that I wish he was still in NE. But what a tool.
TheoShmeo said:
This.
Thanks for coming here Revis and contributing to a Super Bowl win.
He's the enemy now.
Specifically, a Jet.
So fuck him.
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