Roger G's Wheel of Justice
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My guess is Kraft plays this off as being wounded and hurt that his good friend Roger lied to him. And then he can rain fire and brimstone over Roger and some of the other execs and come out looking ok.Bongorific said:
Of course, if he was part of the lie...that's an entirely different story.
I do know you better that's why I was being an ass.jkempa said:
I didn't think that I was. My whole post was I thought the NFL should do. Sorry if I made it seem otherwise. You should know me better than that
Anyhow this latest development could get Goodell fired. He got his billionaires bosses to back him up and now he made them look ridiculous. And a man in Kraft's position can't afford to be made to look ridiculous (except maybe by an actress girlfriend).
EDIT: Fonz and fix Woltz quote.
So somewhere in the NFL offices is a female employee who receives mail of this nature (i.e. important), decided to watch it herself and acknowledge over the phone, "you're right. It's terrible." but then didn't make sure it got in the hands of those who were investigating the case? Is that where we're at now?
lostjumper said:
Hubris. "We're the NFL, we're the most powerful league in the country, if we say there was no tape, there was no tape. You don't need to see my identification, this isn't the tape you're looking for."
Someone in NFL HQ is going to "volunteer" to take the hit, and ultimately end up with a nice job with one of the major NFL sponsors {Bud, Chevy, etc.}.
I find it nearly impossible to believe but in scanning several pages of multiple threads I did not see this video posted or discussed anywhere.
Steven A. Smith absolutely loses it when NOW and Skip Bayless say that Goddell should be fired:
http://deadspin.com/stephen-a-smith-doesnt-think-the-nfl-has-a-domestic-vi-1633022629?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_twitter&utm_source=deadspin_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow
Quotes below for context but seriously, watch the video.
Steven A. Smith absolutely loses it when NOW and Skip Bayless say that Goddell should be fired:
http://deadspin.com/stephen-a-smith-doesnt-think-the-nfl-has-a-domestic-vi-1633022629?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_twitter&utm_source=deadspin_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow
Quotes below for context but seriously, watch the video.
I thought his letter (the full one, not just the extract) was well written and appropriately contrite. Not sure why he couldn't have gone with something along the lines of "I screwed up, should have asked for the video. I wish it didn't take video to show me how horrific domestic violence is, but I am committed to understanding more."lostjumper said:
Yup, and it's only 5:00 on Wednesday. By noon tomorrow the story will be that Belichick's desire for Baltimore to build their game plans around a rapidly declining Ray Rice were obviously threatened by the chance of a lengthy suspension, so getting wind of what was on the videotape, he intercepted it and then hired someone to sneak into the NFL offices and leave the voicemail so that the law enforcement officer who leaked it would be none the wiser. Of course now it's all blown up in his face, as Rice won't play a down for the Ravens and, as Hambone pointed out, the Pats will probably be losing some draft picks.ElcaballitoMVP said:
Also, every Eagles fan will believe the story.
Jeff Van GULLY said:
Hadn't seen that before now. Couldn't they get some Clockwork Orange style lid holders for the poor man?
"We're the NFL. Why would you expect us to look at a tape, rewind it, watch it again and again in slow motion, and scrutinize every footstep and hand motion in detail?"johnmd20 said:
lostjumper said:
This should put the owners' "pay-for-performance" philosophy to the test. Even if the owners respect Goodell's efforts to put out fires for them, they at least have to question his decision to use gasoline. I'll be interested to see what the new "going rate to retain top talent" is now that the CBA is in the rear-view window and Goodell has been exposed as a PR simpleton.
I don't blame the owners for believing Goodell. why would they think he'd lie about this? If Goodell lied to them, he's gone
Whats interesting in the timeline is that the NFL got the tape in April, someone watched it, someone in NFL HQ called it "terrible" , but it took the NFL almost 2 1/2 months later to suspend Rice 2 games. And then only had second thoughts after they got called out for the relative leniency of the suspension. There are just too many inconsistencies in the Rice, lies and videotape story.
Whats interesting in the timeline is that the NFL got the tape in April, someone watched it, someone in NFL HQ called it "terrible" , but it took the NFL almost 2 1/2 months later to suspend Rice 2 games. And then only had second thoughts after they got called out for the relative leniency of the suspension. There are just too many inconsistencies in the Rice, lies and videotape story.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/31/sports/football/holding-her-own-among-the-men-atop-the-nfl.html?_r=0
I don't think an exec assistant negotiates something this sensitive with law enforcement. There are women there (see above--only an example)--remember Dawn Aponte , formerly in charge of labor relations (now Dophins)?
I wouldn't worry about the cover-up working--Congress is already demanding transparency, and I think they'll pursue this with the FBI.
I don't think an exec assistant negotiates something this sensitive with law enforcement. There are women there (see above--only an example)--remember Dawn Aponte , formerly in charge of labor relations (now Dophins)?
I wouldn't worry about the cover-up working--Congress is already demanding transparency, and I think they'll pursue this with the FBI.
"In for a dime, in for a dollar, Bob" is the exact quote. The irony here is the quote is from Halberstrom's opus, "The Best and the Brightest".Marciano490 said:
This is magnificent.
lambeau said:
Because the FBI can just waltz and start making any old demands they want any time they want?
Jeff Van GULLY said:
Naturally, I can only cover these things from memory if I've left anything out, why, just ask me specific questions and I'll be glad to answer them...one-by-one..
Sirius NFL Radio is a joke. The hosts are going out of their way to defend the NFL and Roger G.
Congress has inquired--NFL lawyers know the jig is up at this point. Just my opinion. Olberman: "And to one of my audience in particular--good night and good luck."
I don't see any way the PA lets the NFL continue to run this kangaroo court when the next CBA comes up.
They've shown themselves to be totally unqualified during all parts of this process. And regardless, how is everyone ok with them being the investigator, prosecutor, judge, and jury? There are no checks and balances to prevent them from screwing another case up in the opposite direction and ruining an innocent players career.
I get what they're doing trying to clean up the league's image but they should leave this stuff to the US (and maybe soon UK) legal system, as bad as that is.
They've shown themselves to be totally unqualified during all parts of this process. And regardless, how is everyone ok with them being the investigator, prosecutor, judge, and jury? There are no checks and balances to prevent them from screwing another case up in the opposite direction and ruining an innocent players career.
I get what they're doing trying to clean up the league's image but they should leave this stuff to the US (and maybe soon UK) legal system, as bad as that is.
Papelbon's Poutine said:Who plays Markinson?
I am proud neither of what I have done nor what I am about to do.
That dude played John Ehrlichman in Nixon. Whoa.
Bill had the tape all along. He was blackmailing the Ravens into releasing Rice so that the Patriots could pick him up.
Rice is a Rutgers guy, after all. TMZ spoiled all of BB's nefarious plans
Rice is a Rutgers guy, after all. TMZ spoiled all of BB's nefarious plans
Thanks Jeff, that's the video I was referring to. I 'm sure he spent time with PR people rehearsing that interview beforehand. I'm a bit surprised they couldn't coach him bit better.
Heard a report driving home that Goodell was scheduled to appear at a dinner tonight honoring Jerry Richardson. Appearance canceled.
Some people have bent backwards like an Olympic gymnast to find exculpatory lines of defense.
The only play left in the play book is the Al Jazeera defense. It published an account that the ISIS beheading didn't really occur; it was a propaganda ploy with a doctored tape. So too here. Problem is Al Jazeera pulled that account from its website.
It should be lost on no one that the Associated Press is developing this, not a network partner.
Some people have bent backwards like an Olympic gymnast to find exculpatory lines of defense.
The only play left in the play book is the Al Jazeera defense. It published an account that the ISIS beheading didn't really occur; it was a propaganda ploy with a doctored tape. So too here. Problem is Al Jazeera pulled that account from its website.
It should be lost on no one that the Associated Press is developing this, not a network partner.
I'm not sure why the players association would be upset. The NFL was trying to cover for one of its members. They have pushed a lot of domestic violence by players under the rug for years so the players could stay on the field. Not sure why the PA will be pissed...veritas said:
This incident will hardly be the first time that the NFL has been accused of looking the other way when it comes to the behavior of their players:
http://www.amazon.com/Pros-Cons-Criminals-Who-Play/dp/0446524034/ref=la_B001HCYRB8_1_8?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1410388994&sr=1-8
That book got some decent airplay when it came out (disclaimer: I have not read it).
However, Goodell is definitely cooked if it turns out at that this latest developing story is indeed correct. He either gets it for gross negligence, or for outright deceiving everyone by claiming noone saw this tape.
As for Kraft, he doesn't necessarily come out looking so good. However, NFL owners have said (and done) far dumber things over the years. Attempting to punish Kraft just turns this into a witch hunt.
http://www.amazon.com/Pros-Cons-Criminals-Who-Play/dp/0446524034/ref=la_B001HCYRB8_1_8?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1410388994&sr=1-8
That book got some decent airplay when it came out (disclaimer: I have not read it).
However, Goodell is definitely cooked if it turns out at that this latest developing story is indeed correct. He either gets it for gross negligence, or for outright deceiving everyone by claiming noone saw this tape.
As for Kraft, he doesn't necessarily come out looking so good. However, NFL owners have said (and done) far dumber things over the years. Attempting to punish Kraft just turns this into a witch hunt.
https://twitter.com/jharrison9292/status/509832809570377729
James Harrison @jharrison9292 13m
@nflcommish ain't no fun when the rabbit got the gun huh?
James Harrison @jharrison9292 13m
@nflcommish ain't no fun when the rabbit got the gun huh?
I don't disagree regarding Kraft. I just don't think his actions mean he should be Sterling'ed to the curb, either.dcmissle said:
Because this fiasco shows the NFL is incapable of investigating and ruling fairly when it decides to do so outside of the legal system. And it sets some bad precedents such as changing a ruling based on public reaction. The players are in a very vulnerable positionlostjumper said:
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Goodell and the NFL remind me of this SNL video.
As much as I can't stand James Harrison, this is amusing me to no end right now.The Napkin said:
I'm not convinced that Kraft isn't just naive. Everyone had blind spots. I've seen some very smart, good people get screwed by their most trusted employees or colleagues. If he's lying, then to hell with him, but he deserves the benefit of the doubt. Goodell, not so much. He's proven himself to be a craven and duplicitous bureaucrat of the highest order.
To be clear, I was honestly stupid enough to think the NFL hadn't seen the tape. I didn't think they sought it out, but I didn't think they'd be dumb enough to lie about seeing it.finnVT said:
That's possible. But I have to imagine the pa lawyers were involved in this suspension, and likely knew all the details. Players don't go through this process alone. Rice is their client. If Rice's defense attorney had the tape, you can bet his pa lawyer also saw it. And the very low suspension benefitted their client. My guess is they try to stay as far in the background as they can during this entire period of public outrage. They are never going to bring this up again.veritas said: